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主合作組織展現台灣跟國際推動民主事務的堅定決心你們都沒有談到所謂的數位沒有,我的意思是說你們今天數位發展部去的應該要上面的目的說明就要跟數位發展的內容有關突然的話我們就補助其他的單位去或者是外交部去不就好了嗎?"},{"start":309.907,"end":325.857,"text":"但是民主峰會特別是第二次討論就是怎麼因應聲稱是AI啊那你們在寫報告的時候你們目的上面你就應該把這些內容都寫進來而不是讓大家認為說你們花了太多的錢出國但是都沒有做跟數位發展有關的事情這點請你們要必須要改進當然我們會盡可能的來強調好 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:false,"end":"2024-03-07T11:59:32.833000+08:00","text":"不只是麥克風，包含視訊設備嘛！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T11:59:32.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T11:59:54.207000+08:00","text":"視訊設備，但是為什麼你們現在開會的時候，常常你都是自己，你們大家預算花了這麼多，飛出國去開會，我也很少看到你們線上會議裡面去做什麼，今天大家質疑的是你們不只是花了很多的錢出國開會，編了這麼多的預算，就連只是會議室、新聞發布室2間，我算你3間，我算你3間花了一千多萬元。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"唐部長鳳","start":"2024-03-07T11:59:54.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:00:00.771000+08:00","text":"我回應一下委員，我在出國的時候，其實公文是照簽喔，我視訊會議照開喔！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"唐部長鳳","start":"2024-03-07T12:00:00.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:00:03.953000+08:00","text":"並不是因為出國就不管國內的事情，所以這也是為什麼需要這種設備啊！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T12:00:05.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:00:08.256000+08:00","text":"所以你的意思是說別的單位都沒有這樣子的一個問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"唐部長鳳","start":"2024-03-07T12:00:08.256000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-07T12:00:10.917000+08:00","text":"特別……公文在我們這邊是線上簽核。","quality":0.214},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T12:00:10.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:00:38.271000+08:00","text":"在自由民主聯盟的出席上面，去年9月20號我們有參加這個自由線上聯盟，因應新興技術帶來的風險等等，你說AI的應用規範，社會也要同樣的來推動，然後講了很多，我請問一下，你們在國外說了這麼多AI管制，我們在臺灣目前的法規裡面，你們已經具體通過了哪幾項AI相關的管制法規？","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"唐部長鳳","start":"2024-03-07T12:00:38.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:00:52.561000+08:00","text":"我們如果是講整個政府的話，那在投資詐騙上面、在深偽的色情影像上面、在選舉的干預上面等等，都有專門針對深偽或甚至是生成式，也不一定是生成式，甚至是任何AI去做這方面的加重處罰或管制。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T12:00:52.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:00:57.164000+08:00","text":"那為什麼我們臺灣的資安問題還這麼多、詐騙的問題還這麼多？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T12:00:58.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:01:06.392000+08:00","text":"你們到國外去跟大家講說我們做了哪一些AI的相關法規規定，但是我們在臺灣發現的卻是少的可憐。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"唐部長鳳","start":"2024-03-07T12:01:07.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:01:10.195000+08:00","text":"我們剛剛講到這些，在其他國家也未必有，這是第一個。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"唐部長鳳","start":"2024-03-07T12:01:10.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:01:14.418000+08:00","text":"第二個，像電子簽章法修法，我們已經提到立法院來了，很多其他國家也未必有，這也是我們……","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T12:01:14.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:01:17.620000+08:00","text":"那也是我們葛如鈞委員提了之後，你們現在才跟進的。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T12:01:17.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:01:23.205000+08:00","text":"我問一下，關於自由民主聯盟的部分，你們是不是一行15個人去開會？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"唐部長鳳","start":"2024-03-07T12:01:23.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:01:25.767000+08:00","text":"就是包含美國的國務卿布林肯……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T12:01:26.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:01:31.611000+08:00","text":"自由民主聯盟參與的目標裡面，哪一點跟數位發展有關？","quality":1},{"speaker":"唐部長鳳","start":"2024-03-07T12:01:33.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:01:37.075000+08:00","text":"這裡面講的就是要保護線上的、因應AI帶來的深偽的威脅，這就是數位的工作啊……","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T12:01:37.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:01:47.740000+08:00","text":"你們當時所提的計畫的目的叫做「參與推動民主合作組織、展現臺灣跟國際推動民主事務的堅定決心」，裡面都沒有談到所謂的數位……","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"唐部長鳳","start":"2024-03-07T12:01:47.740000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-07T12:01:48.740000+08:00","text":"難道我們要跟專制國家學怎麼用電子簽章嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T12:01:48.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:01:55.024000+08:00","text":"沒有，我的意思是說你們今天數位發展部去參加的目的說明就要跟數位發展的內容有關。當然。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T12:01:55.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:01:59.187000+08:00","text":"不然的話，我們就補助其他的單位去或者是外交部去不就好了嗎？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"唐部長鳳","start":"2024-03-07T12:01:59.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:02:03.349000+08:00","text":"但是，民主峰會特別是第二次討論就是討論怎麼因應生成式AI，我們的paper就是講這個。","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T12:02:04.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:02:14.896000+08:00","text":"你們在寫報告的時候，就應該把這些內容都寫進目的裡面，而不是讓大家認為說你們花了太多的錢出國但是都沒有做跟數位發展有關的事情。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"徐委員巧芯","start":"2024-03-07T12:02:14.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:02:15.337000+08:00","text":"這點請你們必須要改進。","quality":1},{"speaker":"唐部長鳳","start":"2024-03-07T12:02:15.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-07T12:02:15.857000+08:00","text":"當然是有關的事情、當然我們會盡可能的來強調。好。謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-07T12:02:16.357000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-07T12:02:18.642714+08:00","text":"好，徐委員發言完畢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-07T12:02:18.942714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-07T12:02:21.799857+08:00","text":"現在請羅智強委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}