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Kacaw委員","start":"2024-03-11T11:09:28.224000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:09:29.224000+08:00","text":"那為什麼不實施？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2024-03-11T11:09:28.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:09:29.865000+08:00","text":"為什麼不推？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:09:30.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:09:43.250000+08:00","text":"我們是希望有穩健的腳步，從公民投票先來實施，要推到選舉的時候，也許原住民全國單一選區的部分可以列為優先的一個條件。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2024-03-11T11:09:46.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:10:05.260000+08:00","text":"印尼在臺灣辦理不在籍投票，在103年、108年設了34個固定投票所，今年2月14號新增加為54個固定投票所，而且還增加了6台移動選舉車，所以這個部分……","quality":0.655},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:10:05.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:10:10.244000+08:00","text":"報告委員，即便跟我們有邦交的國家，我們的選舉要去他們的國家設投開票所，一定會被干擾……","quality":0.605},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2024-03-11T11:10:11.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:10:13.287000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們不談那個，我只是說我們不如啦……","quality":0.471},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:10:13.287000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:10:14.508000+08:00","text":"一定會被干擾。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2024-03-11T11:10:14.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:10:23.836000+08:00","text":"就原住民族而言，我們原住民族跟印尼的人都是南島民族，同為南島民族，在臺灣我們竟然沒有辦法……","quality":0.634},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:10:28.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:10:36.589000+08:00","text":"這個制度的實施並沒有族群的差異性，並沒有，完全是選舉公平跟透明、信賴的考量。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:10:37.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:10:49.232000+08:00","text":"我剛剛也跟委員報告過，其實以前就有過對話，如果要跨到選舉這個領域的話，也許單一選區的部分，原住民的立法委員可以列為優先的考慮。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2024-03-11T11:10:49.732000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:11:10.874857+08:00","text":"但是你們現在提送到立法院的公民投票不在籍投票，只要是總統、副總統的選舉跟立法委員選舉，如果有公民投票的時候就不實施了，我們原住民的立委選舉一樣沒有辦法，對不對？","quality":0.284},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:11:11.174857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:11:16.603429+08:00","text":"這是當然，因為不能夠一次選舉有兩個制度啦。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2024-03-11T11:11:16.903429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:11:19.474857+08:00","text":"所以真的是差太多了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2024-03-11T11:11:19.774857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:11:21.203429+08:00","text":"我們沒有講……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:11:21.503429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:11:27.217714+08:00","text":"我們趕快把這一步跨出去，請委員能夠支持。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T11:11:27.517714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:11:30.660571+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭天財委員，謝謝主委。","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T11:11:30.960571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:11:34.103429+08:00","text":"下一位請蘇清泉委員。謝謝。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}