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信力一樣是有問題啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:28:36.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:28:37.688000+08:00","text":"第三個，很嚴重的就是，主委有看到這次檢舉的很多影片嘛！","quality":0.542},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:28:37.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:28:38.729000+08:00","text":"先整票再唱票，嚴重不嚴重？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:28:38.729000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:28:42.250812+08:00","text":"這個是絕對不應該發生的事。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:28:42.250812+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:28:45.772625+08:00","text":"不應該發生，但是有沒有發生？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:28:45.772625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:28:49.294438+08:00","text":"有發生。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:28:49.294438+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:28:52.816250+08:00","text":"發生很多，而且為什麼他們成為習慣耶！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:28:52.816250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:28:56.338063+08:00","text":"不是很多啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:28:56.338063+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:28:59.859875+08:00","text":"不是很多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:28:59.859875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:03.381687+08:00","text":"我們至少有幾十個影片，都有傳給你。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:03.381687+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:06.903500+08:00","text":"沒有那麼多，沒有那麼多！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:06.903500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:10.425312+08:00","text":"主委，所以應該要怎樣？","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:10.425312+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:13.947125+08:00","text":"拿一張票唸一張，才去記票，才去整票，對吧……","quality":0.294},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:13.947125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:17.468938+08:00","text":"對、對、對，檢票……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:17.468938+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:20.990750+08:00","text":"先整票再唱票是不對的行為……是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:20.990750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:24.512563+08:00","text":"大家糾正，他們也不改進，然後主任管理員不處理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:24.512563+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:28.034375+08:00","text":"當場有糾正的話，就一定改進，那沒有問題。","quality":0.059},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:28.034375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:31.556187+08:00","text":"沒有人糾正他就可以繼續這樣嗎？","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:31.556187+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:35.078000+08:00","text":"你看到的影片都是繼續做，整理好了才讓大家開始唱啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:35.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:36.339000+08:00","text":"我想主任管理員必須要負起這個責任……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:36.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:36.919000+08:00","text":"所以有沒有糾正？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:36.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:37.079000+08:00","text":"有沒有檢討？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:37.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:37.119000+08:00","text":"將來還會不會再發生？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:37.119000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:38.119000+08:00","text":"我們每次都有檢討，都必須提出精進的作法。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:37.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:38.539000+08:00","text":"2024了，這一次總統大選再發生，你不可能之前沒檢討過……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:38.539000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:39.539000+08:00","text":"有去檢討。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:38.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:29:39.200000+08:00","text":"三令五申，照樣不聽！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:29:58.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:10.484000+08:00","text":"第四種，投開票的報告單填寫不實，很多內容還算錯，連數學都不會加，這種狀況會讓人民對選務機關的公信力產生很大的質疑。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:11.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:15.206000+08:00","text":"這是極少數的個案，我們沒有辦法保證24萬……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:15.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:17.507000+08:00","text":"所以要改進嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:17.507000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:18.507000+08:00","text":"要改進，沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:18.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:22.709000+08:00","text":"你連數學都不好，現場都算不清楚，民眾拿出來看的就是你們的瑕疵很多啊！","quality":0.742},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:22.709000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:23.709000+08:00","text":"我們除了加強公務人員的訓練之外，另外就是複核的機制一定要建立。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:23.709000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:24.709000+08:00","text":"就沒有啊！有啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:23.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:25.371000+08:00","text":"最嚴重的是，投票的時候不能錄影，開票的時候可不可以錄影？","quality":0.36},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:25.371000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:28.522500+08:00","text":"開票的時候可以錄影。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:28.522500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:31.674000+08:00","text":"可以，那為什麼我們有一個案子是警察把錄影的民眾趕出去？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:31.674000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:34.825500+08:00","text":"但是不是毫無限制的，還是有一些……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:34.825500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:37.977000+08:00","text":"是，依照規定他在觀眾席不要影響到開票，他就可以錄影，對吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:37.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:30:57.926000+08:00","text":"請你大聲的跟人民說，可以錄影，不要干擾到開票行動。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:30:57.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:00.328000+08:00","text":"根據相關的規定原則上是可以錄影，但是不能夠違背相關的規定。","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:00.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:06.173000+08:00","text":"是，所以錄影在開票過程是沒有違法的，也不應該被警察趕走，對吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:07.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:09.816000+08:00","text":"被警察趕走，我們要瞭解他到底是基於什麼理由……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:09.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:11.718000+08:00","text":"案子都送給你們了，你們好好查吧！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:11.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:14.100000+08:00","text":"我們有查，28個案子我們都有查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:14.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:23.744000+08:00","text":"這次最重要的是有很多民眾檢舉的是票軌的底部沒有封條，自從用了紙箱以後，底部沒有封條的狀況這次是不是很多？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:25.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:27.706000+08:00","text":"我所瞭解的好像只有單獨的個案。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:28.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:40.852000+08:00","text":"單獨的個案，但是影片都交給你們了，表示民眾都檢舉得到，它就不會只是單純……，在開票前就應該封好封條，給大家看完之後才能開始用，他們連封條都不上是怎麼回事？","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:40.852000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:41.852000+08:00","text":"我們的資料就是只有一個單獨的個案……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:41.852000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:42.852000+08:00","text":"我這邊就有7、8件，我們都送給你們了，麻煩你們也看一下吧！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:42.852000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:43.852000+08:00","text":"至少照片上面，大概有7、8個投開票的都有這個問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:43.852000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:44.852000+08:00","text":"我們每個案子都有進行了解調查。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:41.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:42.913000+08:00","text":"主委，其實我希望的是你給我一個2024年總統大選的檢討跟精進改善報告，剛剛講的這些瑕疵有多少？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:42.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:43.033000+08:00","text":"檢討了沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:43.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:43.133000+08:00","text":"怎麼做？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:43.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:43.313000+08:00","text":"將來要怎麼改？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:43.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:47.114857+08:00","text":"總要有一個完整的說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:47.114857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:50.916714+08:00","text":"貴黨團所提供的這一份資料，一共有六個類型，28個案例……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:50.916714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:54.718571+08:00","text":"不會只有我們吧！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:54.718571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:31:58.520429+08:00","text":"一般民眾也很多吧！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:31:58.520429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:32:02.322286+08:00","text":"我們進行調查的結果，其中有4個案子大概有一些事實的出入，20幾個案子我們都有調查……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:32:02.322286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:32:06.124143+08:00","text":"請你給我調查報告、檢討報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:32:06.124143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:32:09.926000+08:00","text":"會回復給貴黨團。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:32:09.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:32:58.820000+08:00","text":"最後就是剛剛講的不在籍投票，我想大家不用再爭執，臺灣是一個先進的國家，全世界的科技大概臺灣最先進，但是現在政府對於所謂的投票，你們在110年做過一個民意調查，其實大部分的人沒有去投票的原因很清楚，第一就是要上班、要工作，沒有空、沒時間；這二個是最多的，另外投票所距離太遠、返鄉成本太高，這些也是沒有去投票的原因。","quality":0.761},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:32:58.820000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:33:21.878000+08:00","text":"當然，不想投票或沒有適合的候選人，這也是另外的原因，但是要上班、要工作、沒有時間占了大部分的原因。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:33:21.878000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:33:44.936000+08:00","text":"臺灣身為科技大國，我們現在可以用自然人憑證做所有的公共服務，為什麼沒有辦法用自然人憑證來進行數位投票？","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:33:44.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:34:04.371000+08:00","text":"愛沙尼亞他們用數位身分證進行i-Voting，他們這次的國會議員25%是用線上投票，主委，如果我們把數位認證做好，確定是本人的意願，一樣可以像移轉投票的方式來進行所謂的線上投票，用嚴格的資訊控管，包括我們現在政府既然接受自然人憑證，沒有道理不接受用自然人憑證來投票，臺灣的科技絕對不會比愛沙尼亞差……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:34:08.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:34:11.735000+08:00","text":"委員也到過臺北市選委會，關於這些問題的討論我相信委員也能夠掌握到……","quality":0.645},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:34:12.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:34:13.936000+08:00","text":"我都明白，所以我的意思是，總要往前走……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:34:13.936000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:34:14.936000+08:00","text":"對，我們要走，但是這部分……","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:34:14.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:34:19.939000+08:00","text":"現在是2024年，中選會成立的時候是1980年，44年過去了，從這次的總統大選就看到，我們做的事情是跟44年前一樣，出的錯跟44年前還是一樣。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:34:20.439000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:34:32.724714+08:00","text":"我們這一步要跨出去真的很艱難，所以從110年到現在都沒有辦法在立法院裡面完成這第一步的立法程序……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:34:33.024714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:34:37.310429+08:00","text":"所以要往前走，想出方法、儘量想辦法。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員珊珊","start":"2024-03-11T11:34:37.610429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:34:48.467571+08:00","text":"第一，先請你給我報告；第二個，電子認證可能是你們擔心的不在籍投票的其中一個解方，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:34:48.767571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:34:50.196143+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T11:34:50.496143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:34:52.496143+08:00","text":"謝謝黃珊珊委員。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T11:34:52.796143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:34:55.367571+08:00","text":"下一位請洪孟楷委員。","quality":0.222}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}