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","start":"2024-03-11T11:37:49.577000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:37:50.577000+08:00","text":"2個月了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:37:50.577000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:37:51.577000+08:00","text":"因為有一些檢舉的案件、投訴的案件陸續進來，它陸續進來的時候我們……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:37:50.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:37:51.118000+08:00","text":"主委會不會覺得這樣慢半拍？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:37:51.118000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:37:52.118000+08:00","text":"不只半拍啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:37:52.118000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:37:53.118000+08:00","text":"好幾拍。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:37:51.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:37:51.679000+08:00","text":"我們的檢討並沒有……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:37:51.679000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:38:07.085500+08:00","text":"你連檢討都沒有檢討，你連數據都沒有，本席現在花了2、3分鐘的時間跟你就教，應該出現在你業務報告裡面最重要的資料今天都沒有出現，這是本席提出第一個要請中選會好好的負責任，尤其是召委，我覺得召委很用心，在他當召委第一個禮拜的第一天就排中選會的業務報告，照理講你就應該要把這個資料拿出來，不是嗎？","quality":0.114},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:38:07.085500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:38:22.492000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員會的關心，因為這個案子……","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:38:22.492000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:38:37.898500+08:00","text":"各位委員應該可以認同吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:38:37.898500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:38:53.305000+08:00","text":"相關行政同仁應該可以認同吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:38:53.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:39:07.893000+08:00","text":"主委，本席今天準備很多資料跟你討論不在籍投票的部分，本席也看到行政院現在有送出院版的不在籍投票，你們現在是希望用移轉投票以及希望用公投先行。是。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:39:09.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:39:33.211000+08:00","text":"我們先請教，剛剛你一直講要穩健踏實，但是說實在話，我們一直質疑的、我們質詢的是，其實早就應該要動作往前了，因為有太多的國家都已經在施行移轉投票、通訊投票，或者是對人的選舉的投票。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:39:34.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:39:49.001000+08:00","text":"你先看一下你第22頁的報告，我也看到我們很多委員參加了世界選舉機關協會，有去泰國曼谷參加「亞洲的民主與選舉」國際會議，泰國有沒有不在籍投票？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:39:53.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:39:54.885000+08:00","text":"據我瞭解應該有。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:39:55.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:39:56.385000+08:00","text":"有，泰國有……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:39:57.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:39:57.726000+08:00","text":"實施的範圍跟選舉……","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:39:58.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:40:03.449000+08:00","text":"泰國有不在籍投票，泰國有對人的選舉的不在籍投票對不對？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:40:03.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:40:06.131000+08:00","text":"跟實施的方式都有不同的程度……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:40:07.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:40:08.032000+08:00","text":"是，泰國有沒有不在籍投票？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:40:08.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:40:10.513000+08:00","text":"有，而且它是對人的選舉有不在籍投票。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:40:10.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:40:11.674000+08:00","text":"臺灣也有不在籍投票。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:40:12.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:40:14.355000+08:00","text":"來，印度有沒有不在籍投票？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:40:15.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:40:16.036000+08:00","text":"有，臺灣也有不在籍投票。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:40:16.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:40:17.998000+08:00","text":"臺灣有沒有全民的不在籍投票？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:40:18.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:40:20.780000+08:00","text":"你如果要做這樣子的文字遊戲，那我們就……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:40:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:40:25.983000+08:00","text":"所以全民的不在籍投票是希望貴院能夠支持我們這個草案。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:40:26.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:40:46.780000+08:00","text":"主委，我們對人，沒有錯，我現在就是跟你講，委員去參加、去每一個國家裡面，每一個國家早就已經施行很久的對人的不在籍的投票，結果我們現在還在講說我們要穩健，是我們已經落後很多了，然後你現在還在講穩健，我覺得這根本就是不想做事啊！","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:40:47.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:40:58.972000+08:00","text":"當為而不作為，我們講公務人員在一個機關上面你都可能會有下台的一天，但是你當為而不作為，第10屆的時候那4年到底有沒有規劃？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:00.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:09.540000+08:00","text":"當時疫情的期間，我們認為疫情是最好可以來推動，不管是通訊投票、不管是不在籍投票，應該要來規劃、應該要來施行，那時候4年不做……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:09.540000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:10.941000+08:00","text":"選舉跟公投……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:10.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:22.269000+08:00","text":"現在第11屆了，看到了立法院新的民意、新的國會出來了，才拿出一個簡化版、矮化版、簡易版、簡配版、陽春版的行政院版本……","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:23.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:23.830000+08:00","text":"選舉跟公投的不在籍投票草案……","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:23.830000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:26.092000+08:00","text":"這不是很奇怪嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:26.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:26.913000+08:00","text":"在歷史上有兩次被提到大院來……","quality":0.308},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:26.913000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:27.913000+08:00","text":"這是不是你當為而不作為？","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:27.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:27.853000+08:00","text":"但是兩次大院都沒有完成審議。","quality":0.308},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:27.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:28.494000+08:00","text":"您任內有提過任何一次嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:28.494000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:29.494000+08:00","text":"有，公投法，就110年……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:28.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:28.834000+08:00","text":"您任內？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:28.834000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:29.834000+08:00","text":"110年有提……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:29.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:29.915000+08:00","text":"本席講到不在籍投票就是在這一次嘛！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:29.915000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:30.915000+08:00","text":"就是在這一次行政院……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:30.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:31.236000+08:00","text":"歷史上有兩次的總統副總統、兩次的公投的不在籍……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:46.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:46.267000+08:00","text":"主委，本席現在要講的……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:46.267000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:41:47.267000+08:00","text":"送到大院都沒有完成……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:41:46.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:12.245000+08:00","text":"就是我們要求在所謂的移轉、所謂的對人的不在籍投票，當我們也看到我們的委員有去泰國參加、有去印度參加、有去韓國參加相關會議，而這幾個國家都已經早就實施了全國性的、移轉的以及對人的不在籍投票……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:12.245000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:18.815000+08:00","text":"我們的選舉程序在經濟學人報的評比中，是亞洲第一名，都比他們好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:18.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:21.796000+08:00","text":"所以你現在是在貶低他們這些國家嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:21.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:28.038000+08:00","text":"我突然嚇到，我們中選會的主委這樣子是在貶低其他國家？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:28.038000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:29.038000+08:00","text":"我們不要對自己喪失信心。","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:28.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:32.940000+08:00","text":"絕對沒有喪失信心，但是我想問的是他們這樣子用不在籍投票有沒有喪失公平性？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:33.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:33.961000+08:00","text":"你只要回答這一點。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:35.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:36.482000+08:00","text":"這個我沒有辦法評論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:36.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:41.945000+08:00","text":"你剛剛又講說，你剛剛又想要假意，這就是本席本來很想，我是就事論事……","quality":0.655},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:41.945000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:42.945000+08:00","text":"我不能隨便評論他們選舉公不公平。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:42.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:44.846000+08:00","text":"本席來這邊都是就事論事來跟你討論，但如果說你只想用這種態度的話，那本席就會比較直接喔！","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:44.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:45.426000+08:00","text":"我要告訴委員就是說我們能夠……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:53.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:57.652000+08:00","text":"主委，本席很認真地準備非常多的資料……","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"李主任委員進勇","start":"2024-03-11T11:42:57.652000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T11:42:58.6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