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13:19:41","會議時間":"2024-03-11T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請國家通訊傳播委員會主任委員陳耀祥列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。\n二、邀請國家通訊傳播委員會主任委員陳耀祥就「廣電事業申設換照審查程序暨執行狀況」進行專題報告，並備質詢。）","gazette":{"lineno":1852,"blocks":[["黃委員國昌：（13時4分）謝謝主席，麻煩有請主委。"],["主席：主委請。"],["陳主任委員耀祥：委員好。"],["黃委員國昌：主委好。對於今天NCC所提出來的業務概況報告，我批評裡面有7成以上都照抄，您說業務是延續性的，也提出了一些回復。但我要告訴主委的是，業務有延續性的不是只有NCC啊！"],["陳主任委員耀祥：是。"],["黃委員國昌：主委，你有沒有看到其他部會哪一個抄襲、用字遣詞一模一樣的比例跟你們一樣？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：這不叫抄襲，這是我們自己的業務報告，不是抄襲的問題。"],["黃委員國昌：對嘛！你去看一看財政部的報告，人家也是去年最後一個會期提的，不要說抄襲啦！說複製、貼上沒有錯吧？跟你們複製、貼上的比例是能比喔？拿「業務是延續性的」來欺騙國人，業務是只有你們的有延續性喔？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：沒有，我們有一些數字，如果……"],["黃委員國昌：來，我們第一步看具體內容，國人最關心的打詐問題，我就要看你們的延續是怎麼個延續法。投影片左邊是你們今年提出來的，我講的喔，檢察官痛批NCC第二類電信沒有管好，成為詐騙集團的幫手，投影片右邊有紅字的部分是你們NCC去年的報告，左邊是你們NCC今年的報告，用字不一樣的部分，我都負責任地幫你們框出來了。去年的報告還比較豐富一點，跟大家說檢察官痛批完對於第二類電信NCC不知道在管什麼之後你們裁罰了什麼，裁罰了亞太電信嘛！台灣之星嘛！海峽電信嘛！我負責任地把NCC有做的事幫你給列出來了。那我就困惑了，從去年到今年，針對第二類電信因為詐騙集團被裁罰、被詐騙集團使用為犯罪工具、害很多人受害的，這種延續性的東西在哪裡？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：所以我剛才就講了……"],["黃委員國昌：紅字是去年的，就不要再扯了喔！"],["陳主任委員耀祥：我知道。"],["黃委員國昌：你講是延續性嘛，那我現在的問題是你的延續性在哪裡？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：這裡是去年裁罰的，所以寫在去年嘛，至於今年的裁罰，是……"],["黃委員國昌：對，所以從去年提出報告到今年這個時候……"],["陳主任委員耀祥：在繼續當中。"],["黃委員國昌：有沒有裁罰？有沒有裁罰？有沒有裁罰？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：目前沒有裁罰案。"],["黃委員國昌：目前沒有裁罰案？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：嗯！"],["黃委員國昌：第二類電信不是繼續被詐騙集團使用嗎？為什麼沒有裁罰案？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：總是要經過調查程序嘛！委員自己是訴訟法專家，也知道所有裁罰都還是要經過調查啊！"],["黃委員國昌：好，既然你現在正在調查，那查了幾個案件？說來聽聽啊！"],["陳主任委員耀祥：目前來講的話，比如說最近魔方的案子在調查，還有其他定期檢查的……"],["黃委員國昌：沒有關係，我只跟你講具體的，你不要跟我講抽象的、模糊的。"],["陳主任委員耀祥：沒有、沒有、沒有。"],["黃委員國昌：你調查了什麼案件？講來聽聽啊！"],["陳主任委員耀祥：比如說魔方的案件我們正在調查當中。"],["黃委員國昌：還有別的嗎？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：當然，還有黑莓卡的案子，我們也在調查當中。"],["黃委員國昌：還有別的嗎？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：這已經很多了，黑莓卡的案子就有好多家啦！"],["黃委員國昌：我具體地跟你講啦！檢察官針對第二類電信，去年年底已經偵結了喔！如果沒有偵結，牽涉到偵查不公開，我們都尊重。已經偵結的第二類電信業者提供第二類電信給詐騙集團使用案都已經被檢察官起訴了喔！檢察官都幫你調查完囉！結果在你們的業務報告裡面半個字也沒提啊！這是什麼延續性的報告啊？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：就是因為要等檢察官偵查結束，我們才去做相關行政裁處啊！"],["黃委員國昌：對嘛！所以我才問你行政裁處在哪裡啊？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：就是還在進行當中、還沒有裁處，怎麼會有報告出現呢？"],["黃委員國昌：去年年底……"],["陳主任委員耀祥：而且報告我們不會寫到那麼細。"],["黃委員國昌：去年年底，針對第二類電信繼續被詐騙集團使用的案件，檢察官都已經偵結了喔！我講的是去年年底，不是上個月底喔！當初海峽電信的事情被檢察官罵完以後，你們趕快罰，因為被罵翻了啊！結果呢？你所謂的延續性報告，在這部分是空白的耶！我敢這樣講，這些資訊在檢察官偵結以後就不再偵查不公開啦！有哪些第二類電信業者把東西交給詐騙集團不需要讓社會大眾知道嗎？不需要？NCC不需要進行裁罰嗎？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：當然需要啊！但是若要裁罰，第一個還是要經過調查程序才去裁罰。"],["黃委員國昌：沒有關係啊！我就繼續等著，我再看要等幾個月以後你們NCC才會有反應，我站在這邊講，我負責。我說話向來是有憑有據的，我說檢察官已經偵查終結了，那些第二類電信業者都已經被起訴了，結果NCC還是繼續放著。"],["陳主任委員耀祥：那不是第二類電信業者，有些東西我們還會去……"],["黃委員國昌：沒有關係啦！等檢察官接下來進一步，下次我們繼續談。"],["陳主任委員耀祥：好。"],["黃委員國昌：今天成立鏡電視的調閱小組，主委有表達你的看法、你覺得遺憾等等，我都尊重啦！立法院也是行使立法委員職權。但這個案子從事前執照的核發、事中附款到底有沒有履行，到事後它違反了當初申設計畫裡的承諾，NCC是怎麼處罰的？對於這三個階段，社會大眾統統都在看。我們都是法律人，我不跟你講抽象的事情，完全都跟你談具體的事情。前面就有關於政治黑手伸入的事情先放著，因為人家大剌剌地說這是總統的旨意啊！這不是行政院長的旨意啊！結果，一開始說這個錄音檔是偽造、變造，鑑定完是真的以後，又說「我吹牛啊！我在內部吹牛啊！」假借蔡英文的旨意吹牛啊！結果假借蔡英文旨意吹牛的人現在還在當媒體負責人啊！真是了不起！","沒關係，我們講具體的。來！看一下，根據廢止權條款第三條，該公司取得執照後，精鏡傳媒股份有限公司董監事及經理人不得參與該公司任何營運。這是廢止權的條款，對吧？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：是、對。"],["黃委員國昌：裴偉是不是精鏡傳媒的董事？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：裴偉目前是吧？是啊！"],["黃委員國昌：他有沒有參與鏡電視任何營運？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：它的財報裡提到，鏡電視十月間變更董事長以後，跟鏡傳媒已經沒有關係了。"],["黃委員國昌：不是啦！我現在講的不是鏡電視。你看你的廢止權條款，精鏡傳媒股份有限公司董事，裴偉是不是？是吧？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：精鏡傳媒不在我們主管之下，我們管的是鏡電視啦！"],["黃委員國昌：對嘛！那請你看看你們NCC自己做的附款嘛！"],["陳主任委員耀祥：是啊！"],["黃委員國昌：這裡的中文有這麼難理解嗎？精鏡傳媒股份有限公司的董事不可以參與鏡電視任何營運。"],["陳主任委員耀祥：是。"],["黃委員國昌：這中文沒那麼難懂嘛！"],["陳主任委員耀祥：對啊！"],["黃委員國昌：來，第一個問題：裴偉是不是精鏡傳媒的董事？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：他沒有參與營運啊！"],["黃委員國昌：對嘛！我們一樣一樣來嘛！先確認前提：他是董事嘛！"],["陳主任委員耀祥：對啊！他是董事……"],["黃委員國昌：是不是有參與營運再來講嘛！"],["陳主任委員耀祥：他是股東，所以沒有參與營運嘛！他不是董事啦！他是股東，但不是董事啦！"],["黃委員國昌：拜託！裴偉是不是精鏡傳媒的董事？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：我們管的是鏡電視，附款是下給鏡電視，不是下給精鏡傳媒嘛！"],["黃委員國昌：對嘛！你下給鏡電視……"],["陳主任委員耀祥：對啊！"],["黃委員國昌：那附款前提要件不用先建立嗎？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：問題是義務人是鏡電視嘛！"],["黃委員國昌：對嘛！義務人當然是鏡電視，所以附款寫精鏡傳媒股份有限公司的董事不可以參與鏡電視的營運嘛！"],["陳主任委員耀祥：是啊！"],["黃委員國昌：所以我問的第一個前提問題是精鏡傳媒股份有限公司──前提嘛！裴偉是不是董事？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：裴偉是精鏡傳媒的董事。"],["黃委員國昌：是啊！我從頭到尾就是在問這個問題啊！有這麼難理解嗎？至於他有沒有參與營運這件事情，剛剛有委員講過了嘛！"],["陳主任委員耀祥：他是股東，不是董事。"],["黃委員國昌：三董一監說裴偉就是有介入鏡電視的營運，而你說你們都有調查，請教一下，怎麼調查的？三董一監有叫來問嗎？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：當然有啊！"],["黃委員國昌：所以三董一監說他們講的是假的嗎？"],["陳主任委員耀祥：他們有說法，但我們一定各方調查嘛！有沒有是看事實、公司營運上有沒有……"],["黃委員國昌：對嘛！所以調查出來的結果是沒有嘛！"],["陳主任委員耀祥：對啊！"],["黃委員國昌：好。","陳泰銘的律師自己講公司大小章還在裴偉手上，公司銀行端的所有資料只有鏡週刊的財務看得到，公司的人事系統也只有鏡週刊的管理部門看得到，連公司內部的人資都看不到公司HR（human 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來看一下廢紙權條款第三條該公司取得執照後經濟傳媒股份有限公司董監事及經理人不得參與該公司任何營運這個是附廢紙權的條款嘛 對吧"},{"start":436.499,"end":462.521,"text":"培偉是不是經濟傳媒的董事培偉父親是吧是啊他有沒有參與進電視任何的音樂他的財報裡面講進電視因為十月間變跟董事來後跟進傳媒有什麼關係的不是啦我現在在講的不是進電視你看你的廢紙權條款經濟傳媒股份有限公司董事培偉是不是是吧"},{"start":465.199,"end":483.245,"text":"經濟傳媒不知道我們管的是禁電視的對嘛請你看你們NCC自己做的付款嘛這中文有這麼難理解嗎經濟傳媒股份有限公司的董事不可以參與禁電視的任何營運這個中文沒這麼難懂嘛第一個問題培偉是不是經濟傳媒的董事"},{"start":484.332,"end":485.032,"text":"培韋是不是經濟傳媒的董事?"},{"start":506.513,"end":535.567,"text":"我們管的是淨電視我付款是下給淨電視不是下給經濟傳媒阿對嘛你下給淨電視那你的付款前提要件不用先建立嗎但是問題是說我們的醫務人是那個阿醫務人是那個淨電視嘛醫務人當然是淨電視嘛所以這個付款寫經濟傳媒股份有限公司的董事不可以參與淨電視的營運嘛是啊所以我們問的第一個前提問題經濟傳媒股份有限公司前提嘛喔台位是不是董事"},{"start":536.803,"end":563.731,"text":"培韋是進進傳媒的培韋我從頭到尾就在問這個問題有這麼難理解嗎他有沒有參與營運這件事情剛剛有委員講過了嘛他是股東三董一間三董一間說培韋就有介入進電視的營運啊你說你們都有調查來請教一下怎麼調查的三董一間有叫來問嗎當然有啊所以三董一間說他們講的是假的嗎"},{"start":565.151,"end":589.923,"text":"他們的說法我們一定是這樣各方去調查嘛有沒有是看那個事實去公司的營運上有沒有所以你調查出來的結果是沒有嗎對啊好陳泰銘的律師自己講喔公司的大小張還在培威手上公司的銀行端的所有資料只有進桌刊的財務看得到公司的人事系統也只有進桌刊的管理部門看得到"},{"start":591,"end":618.67,"text":"連公司內部的人資都看不到公司HR Human Resource的資料這個你們有沒有掌握這個部分來講的話這個資料來講應該有你們有掌握所以他還是沒有參與營運你們是什麼把這些資料全部視而不見閉上眼睛這是律師講的我們當然最後他所陳述還是有去調查所以調查來講我現在要請教你陳泰銘的律師講的對不對"},{"start":621.239,"end":637.97,"text":"你可以講說陳泰銘的律師啊胡說八大根本沒有這回事這個是調查結果嘛至少我們調查結果來講並沒有他所講的這種狀況嘛所以我就說嘛陳泰銘律師講的對不對你只要針對問題我回答就好了你只要告訴我陳泰銘律師講的這個狀況經過本委委員會非常認真的調查發現沒有他亂講"},{"start":644.534,"end":653.413,"text":"是這樣嗎?委員已經講了啊 我們調查結果就是這樣啊對嘛 所以陳泰銘律師講的 這個內容是不正確的 對不對"},{"start":655.512,"end":674.477,"text":"我們查的結果目前來講沒有辦法去證明說那個所謂的律師講的是正確的是你的查的結果沒有辦法證明還是你們就是放水亂查嘛沒有放水亂查好沒有關係我們繼續慢慢往下看看NCC是不是在放水亂查來我們接下來再講你們有沒有約詢過陳派米"},{"start":681.437,"end":701.213,"text":"陳耀祥我們有請他陳述過意見什麼時候請他到會約詢的我們有做行政調查對 什麼時候請陳耀祥到會來約詢的他沒有到會但是他有表達意見所以他沒有到會對啊啊你們調查這麼潦草喔這麼關鍵的人所以跟我們報告他有曾經到內容事務處什麼時候時間講具體一點什麼時候到內容事務處講"},{"start":709.104,"end":733.299,"text":"他111年有到我們內容處做行政調查對 什麼時候嘛這資料我們等下日期查一下嘛啊沒關係現在馬上查我等著啊有行政調查報告我不知道啦陳泰銘去NCC跟你們講了什麼但我知道啊陳泰銘在外面怎麼講主要我唸給你聽喔啊我們的資料都給他啊啊他敢不"},{"start":737.008,"end":755.573,"text":"阿結果主管機關可以管的都不管阿叫我們自己去把董事長罷免掉阿你知道我的意思嗎?要做官而已啦!不然要做事情啦!NCC是在審核什麼?審核一個偷窺的啦!這麼簡單的事不去做!需要罷免啦!"},{"start":756.843,"end":772.255,"text":"我敢說陳泰銘講過這些話我一定負責那陳泰銘立下竊結書這也是他立的也不是我們叫他那個對不對我們一樣一樣來嘛你們基本的調查連人都沒有傳來怎麼還沒有傳來當然有啊"},{"start":773.776,"end":795.925,"text":"對嘛!什麼時候傳來的嘛!人家講的,跟你們調查的結果就不一樣嘛!大股東欸!公開控訴欸!陳耀祥欸!你自己想要做什麼,不想做什麼啦!你算好什麼?你算好投給一個空的啦!欸!我澄清一下,這不是我罵的!這個是禁電視啊!你罵股東,我罵你罵他!"},{"start":800.346,"end":825.663,"text":"我先補充一下陳泰銘來陳泰銘董事長來我這邊是因為陳泰銘什麼時候來的他去111年不過不是我約談的是陳泰銘主動來問我們一些有關於付款執行的情形他可不可以付款有沒有變更的可能性他在詢問這件事情那奇怪了我剛問的是你們有沒有約詢他嘛我們有約詢他但是陳泰銘本人沒有來他有沒有發言這件事情你們有沒有約詢過他他有順便表達這件事情再往下看嘛"},{"start":830.206,"end":830.806,"text":"董事長都不執行"},{"start":859.312,"end":886.085,"text":"他說你不高興你來告我啊啊官司拖兩年他董事長早就卸任了你主管機關可以去審核他在講的就是董事變更啊的案子啦你都沒在做叫我們民間的去做啊叫我再給你report我們給他的這些資料他到底copy給蔡昌坡啊蔡昌坡是什麼人今天是個總經理嘛來我具體問一件陳泰銘的控訴"},{"start":887.423,"end":911.718,"text":"他們給你們的檢舉資料你們有沒有copy給賽昌坡沒有啊沒有嗎好沒有關係沒有關係因為社會社會要不然就不信任你們調查要不然你們調查出來的結果啊非常的sloppy啊沒有他講的但是非常的sloppy那沒有關係我們今天成立了調閱小組以後這些事情慢慢再來講你可以繼續否認是你們的"},{"start":912.742,"end":930.367,"text":"你也可以繼續說我們NCC的調查公正、嚴明、絕對正確、經得起社會考驗是不是真的這個樣子我們接下來就繼續往這裏打黃委員喝點水啊 喝點水休息一下好不好好啦 謝謝黃國昌委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:04:20.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:04:22.638000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，麻煩有請主委。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T13:04:30.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:04:30.406000+08:00","text":"主委請。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:04:30.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:04:30.526000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:04:30.526000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:04:31.526000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:04:30.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:04:42.844000+08:00","text":"對於今天NCC所提出來的業務概況報告，我批評裡面有7成以上都照抄，您說業務是延續性的，也提出了一些回復。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:04:44.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:04:48.127000+08:00","text":"但我要告訴主委的是，業務有延續性的不是只有NCC啊！是。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:04:48.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:04:55.411000+08:00","text":"主委，你有沒有看到其他部會哪一個抄襲、用字遣詞一模一樣的比例跟你們一樣？","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:04:55.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:04:58.954000+08:00","text":"這不叫抄襲，這是我們自己的業務報告，不是抄襲的問題。對嘛！","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:05:01.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:05:09.732000+08:00","text":"你去看一看財政部的報告，人家也是去年最後一個會期提的，不要說抄襲啦！","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:05:09.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:05:10.213000+08:00","text":"說複製、貼上沒有錯吧？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:05:13.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:05:15.577000+08:00","text":"跟你們複製、貼上的比例是能比喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:05:16.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:05:21.202000+08:00","text":"拿「業務是延續性的」來欺騙國人，業務是只有你們的有延續性喔？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:05:21.202000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:05:22.202000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們有一些數字，如果……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:05:22.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:05:33.054000+08:00","text":"來，我們第一步看具體內容，國人最關心的打詐問題，我就要看你們的延續是怎麼個延續法。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:05:33.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:05:59.976000+08:00","text":"投影片左邊是你們今年提出來的，我講的喔，檢察官痛批NCC第二類電信沒有管好，成為詐騙集團的幫手，投影片右邊有紅字的部分是你們NCC去年的報告，左邊是你們NCC今年的報告，用字不一樣的部分，我都負責任地幫你們框出來了。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:00.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:13.461000+08:00","text":"去年的報告還比較豐富一點，跟大家說檢察官痛批完對於第二類電信NCC不知道在管什麼之後你們裁罰了什麼，裁罰了亞太電信嘛！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:14.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:14.981000+08:00","text":"台灣之星嘛！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:15.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:16.522000+08:00","text":"海峽電信嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:17.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:21.044000+08:00","text":"我負責任地把NCC有做的事幫你給列出來了。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:21.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:35.310000+08:00","text":"那我就困惑了，從去年到今年，針對第二類電信因為詐騙集團被裁罰、被詐騙集團使用為犯罪工具、害很多人受害的，這種延續性的東西在哪裡？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:35.310000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:36.310000+08:00","text":"所以我剛才就講了……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:36.310000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:37.310000+08:00","text":"紅字是去年的，就不要再扯了喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:37.310000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:38.310000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:38.310000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:39.310000+08:00","text":"你講是延續性嘛，那我現在的問題是你的延續性在哪裡？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:39.310000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:40.310000+08:00","text":"這裡是去年裁罰的，所以寫在去年嘛，至於今年的裁罰，是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:37.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:40.477000+08:00","text":"對，所以從去年提出報告到今年這個時候……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:40.477000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:41.477000+08:00","text":"在繼續當中。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:40.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:40.997000+08:00","text":"有沒有裁罰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:40.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:06:41.257000+08:00","text":"有沒有裁罰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:06:58.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T1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resource）的資料喔！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:05.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:06.043000+08:00","text":"這點你們有沒有掌握？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:07.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:09.304000+08:00","text":"以這項資料來講的話應該有。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:10.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:11.304000+08:00","text":"你們有掌握？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:11.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:14.846000+08:00","text":"所以還是認定他沒有參與營運？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:14.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:15.486000+08:00","text":"你們是什麼態度？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:15.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:18.847000+08:00","text":"對這些資料全部視而不見、閉上眼睛？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:19.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:22.968000+08:00","text":"不是，這是律師講的，我們對於他所陳述的還是有去調查，調查以後……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:23.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:26.670000+08:00","text":"所以我現在請教你，陳泰銘的律師講得對不對？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:26.670000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:29.239000+08:00","text":"基本上……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:29.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:35.043000+08:00","text":"你可以講陳泰銘的律師胡說八道，根本沒有這回事，這是調查結果啊！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:35.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:38.185000+08:00","text":"委員，至少以我們的調查結果來講，並沒有他所講的這種狀況嘛！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:38.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:41.747000+08:00","text":"所以我就問陳泰銘的律師講得對不對？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:41.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:43.368000+08:00","text":"你只要針對問題回答就好了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:43.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:45.970000+08:00","text":"你只要告訴我：「陳泰銘的律師講的這個狀況經過本委員會非常認真的調查發現：沒有，他亂講。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:52.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:53.476000+08:00","text":"」是這樣嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:53.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:53.857000+08:00","text":"委員已經講啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:54.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:14:56.383000+08:00","text":"我們調查的結果就是這樣啊！對嘛！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:14:57.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:01.413000+08:00","text":"所以陳泰銘的律師講的這個內容是不正確的，對不對？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:03.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:09.694000+08:00","text":"以我們查的結果，目前來講沒辦法證明律師所講的是正確的。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:09.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:11.674000+08:00","text":"是你們查的結果沒有辦法證明？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:12.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:14.195000+08:00","text":"還是你們就是放水、亂查嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:14.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:14.975000+08:00","text":"沒有放水、亂查，我們都依程序處理啊！","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:15.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:16.955000+08:00","text":"好，沒關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:16.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:21.076000+08:00","text":"我們繼續、慢慢往下看，看NCC是不是在放水、亂查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:21.076000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:22.076000+08:00","text":"什麼叫放水、亂查？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:22.076000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:23.076000+08:00","text":"照程序怎麼是放水、亂查？","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:21.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:22.437000+08:00","text":"我們接下來再講，你們有沒有約詢過陳泰銘？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:29.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:31.439000+08:00","text":"針對陳泰銘，我們請他陳述過意見。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:31.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:33.200000+08:00","text":"什麼時候請他到會約詢的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:33.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:34.862000+08:00","text":"我們有做行政調查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:35.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:37.824000+08:00","text":"對，什麼時候請陳泰銘到會約詢？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:38.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:39.826000+08:00","text":"他沒有到會，但是他有表達意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:39.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:40.626000+08:00","text":"所以他沒有到會？對啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:41.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:43.008000+08:00","text":"你們調查這麼潦草喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:44.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:44.610000+08:00","text":"這麼關鍵的人都不用到會喔？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃主任秘書文哲","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:44.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:47.792000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，他曾經到內容事務處，由我本人……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:47.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:47.852000+08:00","text":"什麼時候？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:48.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:15:49.213000+08:00","text":"時間講具體一點，什麼時候到內容事務處講？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:15:57.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:00.426000+08:00","text":"他111年有到內容事務處做行政調查。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:00.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:01.566000+08:00","text":"對，但什麼時候嘛！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:02.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:03.167000+08:00","text":"我們等一下查一下日期。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:04.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:06.830000+08:00","text":"沒關係，現在馬上查，我等著。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:07.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:08.090000+08:00","text":"有行政調查報告。好。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:08.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:16.436000+08:00","text":"我不知道陳泰銘去NCC跟你們講了什麼，但我知道陳泰銘在外面怎麼講。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:16.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:20.918000+08:00","text":"主委，我唸給你聽：「我們的資料都給他了，他沒有嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:25.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:33.930000+08:00","text":"結果主管機關可以管的都不管，叫我們自己去把董事長罷免掉，你知道我的意思嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:34.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:36.331000+08:00","text":"做官而已，沒有要做事啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:37.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:39.332000+08:00","text":"NCC是在審核什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:39.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:41.272000+08:00","text":"審核頭殼一個洞的啦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:41.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:43.553000+08:00","text":"這麼簡單的事不去做，太扯了啦！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:44.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:49.307000+08:00","text":"」我敢說陳泰銘講過這些話，我一定負責。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:49.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:54.270000+08:00","text":"但陳泰銘立下切結書，這也是他立的，不是我們叫他寫的，對不對？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:54.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:55.291000+08:00","text":"我們一樣一樣來嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:55.291000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:56.532000+08:00","text":"黃委員，再給你3分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:56.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:16:59.815000+08:00","text":"你們基本的調查連人都沒有傳來！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:16:59.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:00.055000+08:00","text":"怎麼沒有傳來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:00.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:01.776000+08:00","text":"當然有啊！對嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:02.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:03.497000+08:00","text":"什麼時候傳來的嘛？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:04.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:08.199000+08:00","text":"人家講的跟你們的調查結果就是不一樣嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:08.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:12.540000+08:00","text":"大股東公開控訴耶！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:12.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:12.800000+08:00","text":"指的是陳耀祥耶！","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:13.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:15.321000+08:00","text":"說你只想做官、不想做事啦！","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:15.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:16.042000+08:00","text":"你審核什麼？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:18.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:19.163000+08:00","text":"審核頭殼一個洞的啦！","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:20.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:23.744000+08:00","text":"我澄清一下，這不是我罵的，這是鏡電視大股東陳泰銘罵的耶！","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:23.744000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:28.346000+08:00","text":"黃委員，3分鐘。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃主任委員文哲","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:28.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:28.867000+08:00","text":"委員，我先補充一下。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"黃主任委員文哲","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:29.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:32.449000+08:00","text":"陳泰銘董事長來我這邊是因為陳泰銘……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:32.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:35.011000+08:00","text":"什麼時候來的？111年。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃主任委員文哲","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:35.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:44.557000+08:00","text":"不過不是我約談的，是陳泰銘主動來問我們一些關於附款執行的情形，包括附款可不可以、有沒有變更的可能性，他是詢問這件事情。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:44.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:48.139000+08:00","text":"奇怪了，我剛剛問的是你們有沒有約詢他嘛！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"黃主任委員文哲","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:49.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:50.461000+08:00","text":"我們有約詢他，但陳泰銘本人沒有來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:50.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:52.142000+08:00","text":"對於他有沒有賣股這件事情，你們有沒有約詢過他？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"黃主任委員文哲","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:52.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:53.163000+08:00","text":"他有書面表達我們問的事情。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:53.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:54.163000+08:00","text":"我們繼續再往下看：「本來就該這樣啊！","quality":0.267},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:54.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:55.163000+08:00","text":"帳簿寫得那麼清楚……週刊跟電視的人事劃分根本全部不適格嘛！","quality":0.038},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:55.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:56.163000+08:00","text":"你都不去查！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:56.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:57.163000+08:00","text":"」誰沒去查？","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:57.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:58.163000+08:00","text":"他控訴的就是NCC啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:58.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:17:59.163000+08:00","text":"你若要聽音檔，要音檔我也有，只是時間關係啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:59.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:18:00.163000+08:00","text":"而且若是音檔直接放出來，我怕震撼力太強啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:17:58.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:18:28.773000+08:00","text":"「我們董事做的決議，董事長都不執行，他說你不高興，你來告我啊！","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:18:29.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:18:32.054000+08:00","text":"官司拖兩年，董事長早就卸任了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:18:32.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:18:34.555000+08:00","text":"你主管機關可以去審核」。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:18:35.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:18:37.777000+08:00","text":"他在講的是董事變更的案子。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:18:38.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:18:41.359000+08:00","text":"「你都沒在做，叫我們民間去做。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:18:44.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:18:48.062000+08:00","text":"還有更離譜的，我們給他的這些資料，他把它copy給蔡滄波啊！","quality":0.63},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:18:48.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:18:49.062000+08:00","text":"」蔡滄波是誰？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:18:50.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:18:50.903000+08:00","text":"鏡電視的總經理嘛！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:18:51.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:18:57.945000+08:00","text":"我具體問一件事，面對陳泰銘的控訴，他們給你們的檢舉資料，你們有沒有copy給蔡滄波？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:18:58.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:18:59.125000+08:00","text":"沒有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員耀祥","start":"2024-03-11T13:18:59.125000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:19:00.125000+08:00","text":"如果這樣就有洩密問題啦！","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2024-03-11T13:18:59.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-11T13:19:09.852000+08:00","text":"好，沒有關係，因為社會要不就是不信任你們的調查，要不然就是你們調查出來的結果非常的sloppy啊！","quality":0.91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11T13:20:36.909857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:20:39.195571+08:00","text":"蔡易餘，蔡易餘不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T13:20:39.495571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:20:41.495571+08:00","text":"陳冠廷委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T13:20:41.795571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:20:44.081286+08:00","text":"陳冠廷，陳冠廷不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T13:20:44.381286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:20:46.381286+08:00","text":"陳雪生委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T13:20:46.681286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:20:49.252714+08:00","text":"陳雪生，陳雪生不發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T13:20:49.552714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:20:56.409857+08:00","text":"登記質詢委員均已發言完畢，作以下決定：說明及詢答完畢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T13:20:56.709857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:21:15.567000+08:00","text":"一、有關今日通傳會業務報告及專題報告，主席經過徵得在場委員意見後，決定請通傳會再行補充資料，並另擇期補行報告，通傳會書面報告列入紀錄，並刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T13:21:15.867000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:21:25.867000+08:00","text":"二、委員麥玉珍、游顥、王鴻薇、何欣純、廖先翔、陳素月所提書面質詢列入紀錄，並刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-11T13:21:26.167000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-11T13:21:36.167000+08:00","text":"三、委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答復部分，請通傳會儘速以書面答復。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}