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是不是急問急答才是最有效率的方式?"},{"start":307.95,"end":329.722,"text":"以現在的社會這樣才有效率因為我們現在總統其實現在所有的包含行政院長跟各部會首長所有的權責他都聽命於總統的啊所以總統直接等於是來立法院詢答復起這個總統有權也受立法院的監督應該也是OK的吧"},{"start":331.537,"end":351.037,"text":"這個要稍微做補充就詢答的方式的好或壞這有不同的概念我沒有問好壞我說以現在這個社會急問急答是不是最有效率的方式我要這樣說明因為在立法院的這個立法委員諮詢的方式一直改變很多次"},{"start":351.818,"end":365.988,"text":"那如果你針對以policy政策來釐清的話以前的方式一問一答也不一定比他所謂一問一答是他上來問完以後再由部會首長來答問以前是這樣處理的比如我舉個例來講30分鐘他分3問3答5分鐘委員問完"},{"start":376.374,"end":376.454,"text":"徐欣瑩"},{"start":407.555,"end":429.333,"text":"像現在漲電價我相信不可能是行政院長或者是部長決定那一定總統要點頭所以總統有那麼高的權力那他受我們這個中華民國最高的立法機關這個立法院來到這裡來做國情報告同時接受這樣的詢答您認為應該是OK的吧"},{"start":431.293,"end":435.214,"text":"所以重大政策嗎?重大政策都可以啊?"},{"start":462.269,"end":472.576,"text":"副委員：翁委員提案是有加這一句話我未必說這個是好或壞只要大家委員都認為是可以這沒有任何問題就對了"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:44:17.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:44:19.012000+08:00","text":"主席好，請周秘書長。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-21T12:44:19.012000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:44:22.555250+08:00","text":"請秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:44:22.555250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:44:26.098500+08:00","text":"徐委員你好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:44:26.098500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:44:29.641750+08:00","text":"首先還是跟鄭委員一樣，當時我當考試委員，也謝謝你投我一票，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:44:29.641750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:44:33.185000+08:00","text":"周秘書長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:44:33.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:44:40.610000+08:00","text":"今天我們法制委員會邀請您來的題目，就是要就中華民國總統至立法院進行國情報告以及詢答模式之建議來進行專題報告，所以您是對這整個制度提出建議，應該不是請您來做決定或是評論，對不對？對。","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:44:57.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:45:29.305000+08:00","text":"接下來本席也有一些問題跟您請教，首先，第一個就是有提到立法院每年集會時得聽取總統國情報告，所以我們立法院聽取總統國情報告的權力是屬於法律內規或慣例，我們要採每年定期或不定期，應該是我們立法院可以自行來決定。沒錯。對嘛？","quality":0.683},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:45:29.305000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:45:35.479538+08:00","text":"沒錯，要跟徐委員再補充……","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:45:35.479538+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:45:41.654077+08:00","text":"所以這個「得」就是我們有這個權限嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:45:41.654077+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:45:47.828615+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:45:47.828615+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:45:54.003154+08:00","text":"所以這個東西只要大家有共識都可以。對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:45:54.003154+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:46:00.177692+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:46:00.177692+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:46:06.352231+08:00","text":"那我要再補充一下，因為國民大會是1年……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:46:06.352231+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:46:12.526769+08:00","text":"沒關係！","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:46:12.526769+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:46:18.701308+08:00","text":"那我們立法院是1年兩個會期，所以在這個地方跟你做補充。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:46:18.701308+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:46:24.875846+08:00","text":"對，但是這個是要每年固定或是不定期，我們立法院應該可以決定嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:46:24.875846+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:46:31.050385+08:00","text":"對，我們自己可以在修法裡面做決定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:46:31.050385+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:46:37.224923+08:00","text":"好，那再來就是，因為在秘書長的這個建議書、這個報告裡面有提到，就是擔心總統來做國情報告跟行政院長的總質詢會不會有重疊或是議事安排上的困難，本席在這邊也想跟您請教，我們其實應該也是有這個空間，就是說我們可以來排啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:46:37.224923+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:46:43.399462+08:00","text":"它的先後次序由立法院這邊來決定就可以啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:46:43.399462+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:46:49.574000+08:00","text":"第一個，在時間上，現在我們立委是30分鐘，那我們是不是可以改成15分鐘？","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:46:49.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:46:57.513000+08:00","text":"總統來，我們有15分鐘，行政院長來，我們每位委員有15分鐘，這個應該立法院也有這個權限可以決定吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:46:57.513000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:47:05.647500+08:00","text":"可以嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:47:05.647500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:47:13.782000+08:00","text":"對，可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:47:13.782000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:47:21.916500+08:00","text":"再來，我們應該也有可能可以採用，像我們這次是整個政黨的總質詢還是說分委員會的，可以用抽籤嘛！","quality":0.024},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:47:21.916500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:47:30.051000+08:00","text":"我們依政黨比例分完以後是抽籤，有的人是30分鐘整個政黨質詢，就是所有的部會首長在，但是有的時候只有某個委員會的部會首長在。","quality":0.255},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:47:30.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:47:38.141000+08:00","text":"所以如果總統來的話，我們應該在人數上也可以用抽籤的方式，只要我們立法院有共識，應該也可以，對不對？對。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:47:38.141000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:47:47.740500+08:00","text":"所以就是看我們法修的結果，目前是經過黨團協商，那如果沒有，這個法怎麼修？","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:47:47.740500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:47:57.340000+08:00","text":"將來當然就是依照法裡面去處理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:47:57.340000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:48:06.939500+08:00","text":"對，所以秘書長也認同，其實這些我們立法院都有權限，我們可以來決定嘛！","quality":0.067},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:48:06.939500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:48:16.539000+08:00","text":"我為什麼會寫可能在議程安排有一些困擾，就是因為有一些這樣的情況，委員決定對法怎麼修，當然一定要配合。","quality":0.152},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:48:16.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:48:17.840000+08:00","text":"對，所以這些我們其實都有權限。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:48:18.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:48:31.612000+08:00","text":"再來就是大家非常重視的，現在如果總統來，我們是採我們的詢答模式還是演說方式，關於這個部分，首先本席想請教您，您有沒有認為應該要與時俱進？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:48:33.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:49:00.552000+08:00","text":"現在社會不一樣了，我們不要還是用過去的看法，在李登輝總統時代，他到國民大會，他是採取綜合回復的方式，我們現在的社會跟過去相比，我們又更進步了，所以是不是我們其實現在應該採綜合詢答還是分段詢答還是即問即答？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:49:01.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:49:04.997000+08:00","text":"第一個，我們立法院也可以來決定吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:49:06.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:49:08.221000+08:00","text":"是，我剛才也說，有共識就可以做決定。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:49:08.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:49:14.608000+08:00","text":"再來，以現在來說，是不是即問即答才是最有效率的方式？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:49:15.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:49:27.917000+08:00","text":"以現在的社會，這樣才有效率，因為其實現在包含行政院長跟各部會首長所有的權責，他們都是聽命於總統啊！","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:49:28.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:49:34.440000+08:00","text":"所以總統直接等於是來立法院詢答負起這個……。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:49:34.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:49:37.702000+08:00","text":"總統有權，也受立法院的監督，這應該也是OK的吧？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:49:39.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:49:40.618000+08:00","text":"這個要稍微做補充啦！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:49:41.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:49:45.884000+08:00","text":"就是詢答方式的好或壞是有不同的概念。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:49:46.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:49:51.690000+08:00","text":"沒有，我沒有問好壞，我是說以現在這個社會來講，即問即答是不是最有效率的方式？","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:49:53.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:49:53.872000+08:00","text":"我要這樣說明啦！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:49:54.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:50:12.147000+08:00","text":"因為在立法院，立法委員質詢的方式一直改變很多次，如果你以政策（policy）來釐清的話，以前的方式一問一答，也不一定比……所謂一問一答是他上來問完以後，再由部會首長來答復。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:50:12.147000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:50:13.147000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:50:12.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:50:12.727000+08:00","text":"以前是這樣處理的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:50:13.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:50:13.968000+08:00","text":"我舉個例子來講，30分鐘分三問三答，5分鐘委員問完，部會首長答復5分鐘，這個一問一答的方式是不是政策……","quality":0.405},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:50:13.968000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:50:55.555000+08:00","text":"之前李總統在國民大會，他是綜合回答，那已經是20幾年、30年前的事，現在的社會一直在進步，所以我相信我們的總統如果來到立法院，我們可以即問即答，應該是最有效率。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:50:55.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:51:17.313000+08:00","text":"再來，您認不認同總統有權……像現在漲電價，我相信不可能是行政院長或者是部長決定，一定要總統點頭，所以總統有那麼高的權力，那他向我們中華民國最高的立法機關立法院，來到這裡做國情報告，同時接受這樣的詢答，您認為應該是OK的吧！","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:51:17.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:51:18.313000+08:00","text":"也是合理的，符合現代社會的需求……","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:51:18.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:51:19.313000+08:00","text":"因為法規定是……傅委員跟翁委員的提案就是要擴大重大政策範圍。是、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:51:19.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:51:20.313000+08:00","text":"這就涉及到這個主題的設定，要到哪個範圍，我未便跟徐委員報告我自己的看法。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:51:19.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:51:21.354000+08:00","text":"所以重大政策嘛！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:51:21.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:51:23.194000+08:00","text":"重大政策都可以啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"周秘書長萬來","start":"2024-03-21T12:51:50.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:51:59.615000+08:00","text":"我剛才跟徐委員報告，傅委員跟翁委員的提案裡面是有加這一句話，我未便說這個是好或壞，只要大家、委員都認為是可以，那就可以……對啊！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:51:59.615000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:52:00.615000+08:00","text":"這是OK的嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-03-21T12:51:59.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-03-21T12:52:00.556000+08:00","text":"這沒有任何問題就對了，好，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-21T12:52:01.056000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:52:06.484571+08:00","text":"接下來請邱志偉委員、邱志偉委員、邱志偉委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-21T12:52:06.784571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:52:11.070286+08:00","text":"賴士葆委員、賴士葆委員、賴士葆委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-21T12:52:11.370286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:52:15.656000+08:00","text":"楊瓊瓔委員、楊瓊瓔委員、楊瓊瓔委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-03-21T12:52:15.956000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-03-21T12:52:19.670286+08:00","text":"接下來我們請黃珊珊委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}