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較大的業者，然後我們再把剛剛講的那幾個變電所整理一下，我們把一些重要用戶的用電集中在某幾個變電所供進去園區，就是園區內的用電園區用，園區外的用電就讓園區外的變電所來供，用這樣的概念處理。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-04-18T11:57:06.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-04-18T11:57:14.990000+08:00","text":"總經理，我請教你，一個外接161的輸出電路在園區裡面要籌設的話，目前日月光公司自己申辦一個。是。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-04-18T11:57:15.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-04-18T11:57:22.494000+08:00","text":"那如果其他園區需要合併起來籌設的話，台電能不能主動來提供這個評估跟服務？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2024-04-18T11:57:22.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-04-18T11:57:24.636000+08:00","text":"我們會協助業者來做這件事。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-04-18T11:57:25.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-04-18T11:57:25.596000+08:00","text":"還是要業者……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2024-04-18T11:57:26.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-04-18T11:57:27.978000+08:00","text":"對，因為這個涉及到土地問題。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-04-18T11:57:27.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-04-18T11:57:39.645000+08:00","text":"就是它3,000瓦、5,000瓦這樣加起來不到這個……但是要是超過10家的話，確實是需要這個穩定電路，這一方面還是要園區管理局跟台電一起來做這件事情。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2024-04-18T11:57:39.645000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-04-18T11:57:40.645000+08:00","text":"我們需要來解決土地的這個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-04-18T11:57:40.645000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-04-18T11:57:41.645000+08:00","text":"土地就需要園區……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2024-04-18T11:57:41.645000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-04-18T11:57:42.645000+08:00","text":"對，所以我需要園區一起來努力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-04-18T11:57:40.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-04-18T11:57:41.026000+08:00","text":"局長，園區有什麼困難？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊局長伯耕","start":"2024-04-18T11:57:51.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-04-18T11:57:56.420000+08:00","text":"園區現在正在盤點，上次委員有會議結論之後，我們也正在盤點。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"楊局長伯耕","start":"2024-04-18T11:57:56.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-04-18T11:58:05.186000+08:00","text":"那我們現在尋找的部分大概就是我們……因為委員也知道園區開發已經56年了，所以園區的空地比較少，我們會找綠地。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-04-18T11:58:06.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-04-18T11:58:09.148000+08:00","text":"對，除了空地有困難之外，接電也有困難。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2024-04-18T11:58:09.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-04-18T11:58:18.735000+08:00","text":"第二點，我對於楠梓第三園區的進度也持續關心，再請管理局這邊再給我一些進度的報告。謝謝。是。謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-04-18T11:58:19.235000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-04-18T11:58:25.806429+08:00","text":"接下來我們請陳亭妃委員，陳亭妃、陳亭妃委員不在現場。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-04-18T11:58:26.106429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-04-18T11:58:32.677857+08:00","text":"我們請羅明才委員，羅明才、羅明才、羅明才委員不在現場。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-04-18T11:58:32.977857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-04-18T11:58:38.692143+08:00","text":"我們請何欣純委員，何欣純、何欣純委員不在現場。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-04-18T11:58:38.992143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-04-18T11:58:44.135000+08:00","text":"我們請陳冠廷，陳冠廷、陳冠廷委員不在現場。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-04-18T11:58:44.435000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-04-18T11:58:52.149286+08:00","text":"登記發言的委員除了不在場之外，其餘都已經發言完畢，詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-04-18T11:58:52.449286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-04-18T11:59:00.735000+08:00","text":"蔡易餘委員、陳超明委員、陳亭妃委員所提書面質詢列入紀錄，刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-04-18T11:59:01.035000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-04-18T11:59:10.463571+08:00","text":"書面質詢以及未及答復的部分，請相關單位於一週之內以書面答復並副知本會。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}