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誰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主計長慧娟","start":"2024-05-02T14:11:27.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:11:29.174000+08:00","text":"我覺得大家都非常努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:11:29.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:11:35.118000+08:00","text":"那最不努力的、執行率最低的是誰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳副主計長慧娟","start":"2024-05-02T14:11:35.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:11:48.027000+08:00","text":"應該要看計畫的性質，有一些執行率可能是因為一些流標等等不同的因素，跟是不是努力不必然有關係。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:11:48.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:12:03.026000+08:00","text":"這8,400億其實是很大的一筆錢，一般各單位都拼命要錢，可是有沒有人在做追蹤考核呢？","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"陳副主計長慧娟","start":"2024-05-02T14:12:04.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:12:15.511000+08:00","text":"基本上，國發會會針對他計畫的進度還有有關工程的部分，公共工程委員會對於比較重大的計畫也都會列管。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:12:18.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:12:38.844000+08:00","text":"就好像大鍋飯，反正錢來了，大家拼命花，那到底有沒有效果也不清楚，比如說數發部，我們接著請數發部，也請主計總處聽一下，數發部這一、兩年來你們總共花了多少錢？預算。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"李次長懷仁","start":"2024-05-02T14:12:38.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:12:39.105000+08:00","text":"委員是指？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李次長懷仁","start":"2024-05-02T14:12:41.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:12:45.748000+08:00","text":"我們年度的公務預算去年是六十幾億，今年是73億。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:12:45.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:12:46.409000+08:00","text":"做得好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李次長懷仁","start":"2024-05-02T14:12:47.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:12:49.776000+08:00","text":"做得好不好大家公評，我們有很努力、我們有在盡力。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:12:50.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:12:53.420000+08:00","text":"有在進步，你覺得做得好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李次長懷仁","start":"2024-05-02T14:12:53.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:12:55.442000+08:00","text":"做得好不好大家公評，我們有在盡力。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:12:55.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:12:57.484000+08:00","text":"那做得好就應該繼續做啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:12:58.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:01.809000+08:00","text":"你們現在的部長是誰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李次長懷仁","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:01.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:03.751000+08:00","text":"我們現在部長是唐鳳。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:03.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:04.692000+08:00","text":"他有沒有續任？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李次長懷仁","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:06.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:08.035000+08:00","text":"以行政院公布的人事為主。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:08.035000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:11.283000+08:00","text":"怎麼樣？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:11.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:12.704000+08:00","text":"行政院公布怎樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李次長懷仁","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:12.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:14.885000+08:00","text":"以行政院公布的人事為主，我不方便講。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:15.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:16.245000+08:00","text":"他被換掉了，是不是？是。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:17.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:20.987000+08:00","text":"今天為什麼沒來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李次長懷仁","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:20.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:23.548000+08:00","text":"今天就是由我來。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:23.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:25.208000+08:00","text":"我知道，我看到你當然知道是你來啊！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:26.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:28.109000+08:00","text":"做得好就應該讓他繼續做啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:29.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:30.670000+08:00","text":"是不是因為他做不好所以讓他下臺？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"李次長懷仁","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:31.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:35.492000+08:00","text":"每一屆政府的人事我不便評論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:35.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:50.346000+08:00","text":"你們每年都花那麼多錢，結果現在人民所詬病的還是打詐，我如果再繼續問你，你一定說打詐跟你沒關係，詐騙那麼多，跟你有沒有關係？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李次長懷仁","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:50.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:52.087000+08:00","text":"跟每個部會都有關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:52.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-02T14:13:56.771000+08:00","text":"好，跟每個部會有關係，你是不是主要的關係？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李次長懷仁","start":"2024-05-02T14:13:56.771000+08:00","guessed":fa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