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的表決甚至今天有條文有逐條宣讀嗎沒有各位我要讓全國人民知道民進黨今天為什麼做這樣的抗爭為什麼今天發生這麼激烈的治理衝突"},{"start":122.281,"end":146.718,"text":"不是因為我們表決書表決書民進黨人數少我們甘願但是這個程序立法該走的程序從過去不管是國民黨多數民進黨多數所有的程序都要走結果今天這個案子從頭到尾一次一次都沒有審查一次都沒有審查逐條一次都沒有審查"},{"start":148.584,"end":174.133,"text":"從頭到尾就是保留保留保留保留保留到今天今天在由傅坤祺總召指揮指揮我們的院長做這樣子的方式的表決這個已經不是憤怒兩個字可以講了剛才吳斯堯委員講說我們已經三位同仁送醫院了很抱歉我們第四位同仁送醫院了五位郭國文還有誰"},{"start":179.745,"end":202.442,"text":"國國委員委員因為剛剛王醫師去做初步的診斷說腰椎受傷現在也已經坐救護車去台大醫院了有必要這樣子嗎各位我們國民黨有必要這樣子嗎不能讓大家討論完了再表決嗎討論完了我們就會贏嗎你們討論完了國民黨表決就會輸嗎"},{"start":208.181,"end":226.425,"text":"為什麼不讓國人討論呢?我就是問為什麼不讓國人討論?為什麼不讓立法院討論?為什麼不讓立法院討論?需要這樣子碾壓從司法法治委員會第一讀開始一審開始。謝謝沈發惠委員。謝謝。我們請"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:10:31.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:10:40.237000+08:00","text":"各位同仁、現在全國正在關心立法院立法過程所有的好朋友。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:10:41.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:10:46.738000+08:00","text":"我想在這裡要說明，今天為什麼在立法院裡面會發生這麼樣激烈的議事衝突？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:10:47.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:10:58.400000+08:00","text":"不是因為民進黨人少，不是因為我們表決輸，從3月開始，我們每一次表決都輸，我們就一樣按照程序，只要按照程序來，我們輸了就是輸了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:10:59.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:11:02.057000+08:00","text":"但是今天這個案子為什麼會造成這麼大的衝突？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:11:02.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:11:15.922000+08:00","text":"我要跟全國大家報告，立法院職權行使法從在司法法制委員會開始就全部保留，沒有進行逐條討論，大體討論完了，就說全部保留。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:11:16.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:11:23.945000+08:00","text":"保留的過程中，委員有意見，召委就說不處理，一樣保留、保留、保留，所以這條文從來沒有討論過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:11:25.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:11:39.505000+08:00","text":"接著進入我們召委主持的協商，在召委主持的協商裡面講了一條，再來就說顯然雙方沒有共識，所以就說我們協商就全部保留，由院長主持協商。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:11:40.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:11:57.333000+08:00","text":"接著院長主持協商，協商了一條、兩條，國民黨講說不協商了，過去在場大家都知道，所有的協商都是一條、一條來，有共識的，大家簽字，沒有共識的，進來表決，這個是正常政黨協商的程序。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:11:58.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:12:12.889000+08:00","text":"結果這個案子攸關立法院職權行使法，從頭到尾一條都沒有討論，就進行這樣子的表決，甚至今天的條文有逐條宣讀嗎？沒有！","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:12:14.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:12:21.772000+08:00","text":"各位，我要讓全國人民知道，民進黨今天為什麼做這樣的抗爭？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:12:21.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:12:24.053000+08:00","text":"為什麼今天發生這麼激烈的肢體衝突？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:12:25.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:12:40.451000+08:00","text":"不是因為我們表決輸，表決輸，民進黨人數少，我們甘願，但是立法該走的程序，從過去不管是國民黨多數、民進黨多數，所有的程序都要走。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:12:41.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:13:06.749000+08:00","text":"結果今天這個案子從頭到尾一次都沒有審查，逐條一次都沒有審查，從頭到尾就是保留、保留、保留、保留到今天，今天再由傅崐萁總召指揮我們院長做這樣子方式的表決，這個已經不是憤怒兩個字可以講！","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:13:08.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:13:14.312000+08:00","text":"剛才吳思瑤委員說我們已經3位同仁送醫院了，很抱歉，我們第4位同仁送醫院了……（5位）","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:13:15.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:13:17.133000+08:00","text":"5位，郭國文還有誰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:13:17.133000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:13:22.745000+08:00","text":"（邱志偉、莊瑞雄、鍾佳濱……）","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:13:22.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:13:36.756000+08:00","text":"郭國文委員，剛剛王醫師做初步的診斷說腰椎受傷，現在已經坐救護車去臺大醫院了，有必要這樣子嗎？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:13:36.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:13:41.779000+08:00","text":"各位，國民黨有必要這樣子嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:13:41.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:13:43.681000+08:00","text":"不能讓大家討論完了再表決嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:13:43.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:13:44.822000+08:00","text":"討論完了，我們就會贏嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:13:44.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:13:45.442000+08:00","text":"你們討論完了，國民黨表決就會輸嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:13:51.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:13:52.621000+08:00","text":"為什麼不讓國人討論呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:13:53.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:13:57.182000+08:00","text":"我就是問，為什麼不讓國人討論？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:13:57.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:00.603000+08:00","text":"為什麼不讓立法院討論？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:00.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:01.603000+08:00","text":"現在就在逐條討論啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:00.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:02.644000+08:00","text":"為什麼不讓立法院討論？","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:02.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:06.304000+08:00","text":"需要這樣子輾壓？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:06.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:09.205000+08:00","text":"從司法法制委員會第一讀、一審開始保留到現在……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:09.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:09.405000+08:00","text":"謝謝沈發惠委員，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"沈委員發惠","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:09.905000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:16.762143+08:00","text":"這一切留給我們所有的人民做公評，留給臺灣社會做公評。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:17.062143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:21.919286+08:00","text":"我們請第2位登記發言的柯建銘委員發言。","quality":0.176},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:22.219286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:30.505000+08:00","text":"主席，程序問題，因為每一次發言都會讓我們看到發言3分鐘，現在都沒有？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:30.805000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:32.805000+08:00","text":"我們是記大時間。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:33.105000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:35.105000+08:00","text":"上面有時間。有啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:35.405000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:36.405000+08:00","text":"3分鐘啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:36.705000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:39.562143+08:00","text":"我們都算，等一下你發言……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:39.862143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:42.147857+08:00","text":"沒有倒數、沒有看到……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:42.447857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:45.019286+08:00","text":"等一下你發言自己看。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:45.319286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:49.033571+08:00","text":"要有倒數的我們才能控制時間。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:49.333571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:53.047857+08:00","text":"下一位柯建銘委員、柯建銘委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:53.347857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:14:57.633571+08:00","text":"鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2024-05-17T22:14:57.933571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:15:02.505000+08:00","text":"這樣完全沒有辦法知道我發言的時間。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-05-17T22:15:02.805000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:15:05.376429+08:00","text":"為什麼不讓大家討論？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員申翰","start":"2024-05-17T22:15:05.676429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-17T22:15:11.390714+08:00","text":"請吳思瑤委員發言，請看時間，吳委員現在是15分5秒。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}