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他們都提出他們的論點那麼同時也包括了郭部長在為擔任部長的時候前幾天他也表示河南是乾淨的能源這是第一個第二個他認為必須要拿出來做討論而且他的基準點在於多數人"},{"start":269.585,"end":287.631,"text":"多數人的共識而執行之,跟您現在所說的是雷同。所以我非常的歡喜聽到這一點,我們也希望要好好的用心,因為這個能源政策對於整個國家的脈動是非常非常的重要。好,所以你們要好好討論喔,來接下來。"},{"start":289.091,"end":310.239,"text":"其實委員我要強調一下就是我為什麼要提二十一號的院長的施政報告因為其實以我的層級來說我沒有辦法代替行政院就所謂的因為有人叫你代替行政院主席你這個時間要扣掉就以你國外會的立場你啊誰叫你代替行政院你呢"},{"start":312.263,"end":324.206,"text":"難怪昨天國會午晚要好好的討論,對不對?怎麼會有這種思維?你今天是代表國發會,我已經強調過啊,你代表國發會,講你國發會的立場,對不對?那你還要不要代表行政院?好啦,不要去。"},{"start":337.755,"end":362.307,"text":"這不理性啦。我們希望女性討論為了國家啦。接下來本期要討論104年的人力銀行裡頭我們看到職場性別友善調查。這個是我非常重視的。我看到61.9的女性受訪當中因為性別而有不平等的對待。超過五成的女性身兼懷孕結婚育兒特別假限制的性別不平等。"},{"start":362.927,"end":382.568,"text":"﹚楊瓊瓔﹚"},{"start":382.688,"end":383.869,"text":"則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．則不予審查．"},{"start":400.845,"end":411.089,"text":"在《性別平衡法》第十九條裡頭規定為了扶育未滿三歲的子女可以申請每天減少一小時無薪資的工時但是我們發覺達到93.7%沒有申請政府有福利為什麼不申請那這個其中原因到底在哪裡因為有48.1%他不知道這個政策不知道喔等於快一半喔那國安會你是不是應該要好好的宣導"},{"start":430.796,"end":431.837,"text":"則不予審查：楊瓊瓔"},{"start":446.311,"end":474.731,"text":"要怎麼樣去改善,詳實的順便介紹給本席,我們再繼續討論。最後一個議題,本席要請教,我們創生推動,是我們國安會跟各部會去研討。60億,我們看到到目前為止,到目前為止,我們總共累計補助106案。那換句話說,只有6案,5%,有建立出產業的模式,"},{"start":475.734,"end":496.773,"text":"有了政府的資助民眾努力在推動我們在地方上每一個區我們結盟我們的創新團體大家一起努力來推動但是為什麼你的比例這麼低這什麼原因那麼我們努力的在立法院通過的60億的預算要地方創新創生3.0"},{"start":499.155,"end":528.746,"text":"楊瓊瓔"},{"start":528.746,"end":540.162,"text":"楊瓊瓔議員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:46:31.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-22T09:46:31.473000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:46:31.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-22T09:46:33.194000+08:00","text":"本席想邀請副主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-05-22T09:46:34.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-22T09:46:34.455000+08:00","text":"請高副主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2024-05-22T09:46:34.455000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-22T09:46:38.982500+08:00","text":"楊委員早！","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:46:38.982500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-22T09:46:43.510000+08:00","text":"副座好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:46:43.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-22T09:47:20.114000+08:00","text":"105年我們啟動了能源轉型，以減煤、增氣、非核、展綠作為方向，這是我們再生能源發展的路徑以及策略，尤其在今年520的時候，總統就職大典時特別提出，第一項是會推動產業升級，然後第二項是積極打擊黑金、槍、毒；接著是積極推動第二次能源轉型、發展多元綠能、智慧電網，強化電力系統的韌性。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:47:20.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-22T09:47:54.580000+08:00","text":"在這樣的一個情況之下，我們更明定114年再生能源裝置容量是29GW（10億瓦）的政策目標，以太陽光電20GW及離岸風電5.6GW為推動主軸，但是以目前的基期來看，包括地熱、生質能、海洋能、氫能等等，政府的能源轉型是不斷的跳針、不斷的跳電、不斷的跳票。","quality":0.743},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:47:54.580000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-22T09:48:01.694833+08:00","text":"請教副主委，新任的賴政府上任之後，所推動的第二次能源轉型，到底是什麼內容？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:48:01.694833+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-22T09:48:08.809667+08:00","text":"非核家園會不會重新檢討？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2024-05-22T09:48:08.809667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-22T09:48:15.924500+08:00","text":"好，第二次能源轉型的重心，就是要發展多元綠能，除了剛剛委員講到的離岸風電跟太陽光電，我們會依照十二項關鍵戰略裡既定的目標，一定會全力達成。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:48:15.924500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-22T09:48:23.039333+08:00","text":"你們的既定目標，到目前為止，照你的KPI是都達不到，所以本席剛剛才會說是跳電、跳票、跳針，本席希望大家可以一起好好理性討論，我們真的非常希望聽到新政府的說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:48:23.039333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-22T09:48:30.154167+08:00","text":"今天主委沒來，但我真的非常希望聽到新政府的能源轉型到底是什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:48:30.154167+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-22T09:48:37.269000+08:00","text":"這也是總統先生非常重視的議題，其中非核家園這塊神主牌會不會重新檢討？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:48:37.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-22T09:48:37.269000+08:00","text":"請說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2024-05-22T09:48:37.269000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-22T09:48:55.516333+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我想充裕而且穩定的供電，尤其是綠電的部分，是新內閣施政的重中之重……","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:48:55.516333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-22T09:49:13.763667+08:00","text":"重中之重？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2024-05-22T09:49:13.763667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-05-22T09:49:32.011000+08:00","text":"是，而且院長31號在立法院進行施政報告的時候，針對這個面向，應該會有具體的宣示。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:49:32.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-22T09:49:36.974000+08:00","text":"副主委，你今天代表國發會主委來到這裡，不是來告訴我們31號應該會怎樣、怎樣，我們是要聽到今天你所代表的國發會，針對國家的政策方向是什麼？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2024-05-22T09:49:36.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-22T09:49:37.895000+08:00","text":"好，再跟委員補充，我剛才講到……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2024-05-22T09:49:37.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-05-22T09:49:38.915000+08:00","text":"請教，是否會與時俱進，調整非核家園的想法？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","s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