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這樣，我的「fu」就是這樣，叫青蛙打哈欠─好大的口氣！","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:06:45.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:06:47.809000+08:00","text":"你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:06:47.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:00.657000+08:00","text":"跟著院長走，院長沒有4年的，除了蘇貞昌是很奇怪的，剛好這樣讓他賺到，其他幾乎沒有4年的，有的1年，有的2年，跟著院長走，你怎麼說你要做4年？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:01.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:02.239000+08:00","text":"這代表你很不進入狀況耶！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:02.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:11.545000+08:00","text":"然後現在我們感覺到，你對SRF怎麼突然又發一個可以推薦函呢？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:12.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:23.732000+08:00","text":"你們可能又發給桃園，那3家可以推薦它進桃園觀音的桃科，為什麼你要發？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:23.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:26.313000+08:00","text":"我請教你，為什麼你要發？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:26.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:30.836000+08:00","text":"這部分我們不是主管單位，桃園才是主管單位。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:30.836000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:35.715000+08:00","text":"你不是主管你就不要發，你何必發呢？","quality":0.067},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:35.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:36.336000+08:00","text":"我們沒有發喔！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:36.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:37.697000+08:00","text":"你發了，怎麼沒有發？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:37.697000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:38.697000+08:00","text":"推薦函啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:38.697000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:39.697000+08:00","text":"不然它怎麼……","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:39.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:50.148000+08:00","text":"我們只是它來訴願，然後透過訴願委員會把它退回去，是訴願委員會決定的……","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:50.148000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:51.489000+08:00","text":"後來准了，又可以了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:51.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:53.151000+08:00","text":"不是經濟部決定的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:54.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:07:55.373000+08:00","text":"訴願委員會就是你經濟部底下的。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-06-12T12:07:55.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:00.237000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有、沒有，報告委員，這個訴願委員會一共有11位委員。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:00.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:01.659000+08:00","text":"裡面都是經濟部的官員，大部分。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:02.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:08.833000+08:00","text":"沒有，經濟部的官員只有2位，其他9位是外面的學者跟專家。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:09.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:10.315000+08:00","text":"主要是你們主導。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:11.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:36.762000+08:00","text":"我跟你講，國民黨的立法委員有一個將軍，陳永康上將他推了兵推，他講了一個概念，不要再擔心老共打我們能夠撐多久之類的，重要的是一打仗，臺灣的電能不能撐2天48小時？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:36.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:37.943000+08:00","text":"醫療能不能撐48小時？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:37.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:44.448000+08:00","text":"我就是請問你，因為我剛剛去問了國安局長，他說你才有答案，能不能撐48小時？","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:44.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:46.789000+08:00","text":"就是打仗的時候撐48小時，供電無虞，請你回答。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:50.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:52.729000+08:00","text":"這部分我不是專家，我沒有辦法回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:52.729000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:53.729000+08:00","text":"不是，你是專家，拜託！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:53.729000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:54.729000+08:00","text":"電是你管的，怎麼不是專家呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:54.729000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:55.729000+08:00","text":"打仗的時候……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:55.729000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:56.729000+08:00","text":"不是，打仗的時候，電是你管的啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:56.729000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-12T12:08:57.729000+08:00","text":"怎麼不是呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2024-06-12T12:08:52.8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