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"end":"2024-06-13T10:37:45.152000+08:00","text":"這是我們今天要特別提案賦予法源的一個很重要的因素。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:37:45.152000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T10:37:46.152000+08:00","text":"沒有違憲！","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:37:46.152000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T10:37:47.152000+08:00","text":"如果違憲，年金改革就違憲了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:37:47.152000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T10:37:48.152000+08:00","text":"另外是有關榮民榮眷基金會的部分，因為時間的關係，我特別先提一個：現在我們的獎學金還有嗎？有。","quality":0.049},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:37:48.152000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T10:37:49.152000+08:00","text":"獎助金？有。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"李秘書長世國","start":"2024-06-13T10:37:46.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:38:12.470000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們現在的獎學金還有，但是因為……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:38:13.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:38:13.211000+08:00","text":"獎助金。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李秘書長世國","start":"2024-06-13T10:38:13.211000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T10:38:14.211000+08:00","text":"獎學金有。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:38:14.211000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T10:38:15.211000+08:00","text":"獎助金。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長世國","start":"2024-06-13T10:38:13.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:38:14.452000+08:00","text":"喔，就學補助的部分？對。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"李秘書長世國","start":"2024-06-13T10:38:14.452000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T10:38:17.433667+08:00","text":"就學補助部分，公立大學目前還有。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:38:17.433667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T10:38:20.415333+08:00","text":"私立大學呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長世國","start":"2024-06-13T10:38:20.415333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T10:38:23.397000+08:00","text":"私立大學是因為配合行政院今年2月份的拉近公私立大學學雜費方案，它是一次補助，每學年是三萬五。","quality":0.024},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:38:23.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:38:23.857000+08:00","text":"那要退輔會做什麼？跟……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:38:24.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:38:51.736000+08:00","text":"今天衛福部也有很多醫院，那我們還是有榮民醫院，今天勞動部也有很多職訓專班，我們也有這些訓練專班，所以不是因為其他部會有，我們就應該要把它取消掉，而是你應該要做得更好！","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:38:51.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:38:53.218000+08:00","text":"因為這是榮民的福利，而且他身為榮民，受到這樣的照顧，這是一種榮譽，所以你不要動不動就這個減、那個也減，那要退輔會做什麼！","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:39:15.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:39:27.793000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們後續再做討論，不過我要請主委可以去做一些考量，不應該把其他本來我們應該有的統統自廢武功，什麼都把它廢掉！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:39:28.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:40:15.684000+08:00","text":"另外就是5月27日基金會發布112學年度第2學期清寒榮民子女就學補助名單，總共有1,015位，可是我們接到不少反映，能夠符合這個資格的，其實他本身就是清寒家庭，現在基金會6月6號發出一個公告，主要是因為基金會董事會異動，因為董事長李文忠不做了嘛，所以現在清寒家庭學生的獎學金，你居然停發，那什麼時候要發？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:40:15.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:40:15.945000+08:00","text":"他就是需要這些錢啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:40:15.945000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T10:40:20.479000+08:00","text":"為什麼要等？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李秘書長世國","start":"2024-06-13T10:40:20.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:40:23.700000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，不是停發，我們會發，因為……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:40:23.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:40:25.080000+08:00","text":"那你要什麼時候發？","quality":1},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:40:25.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:40:28.801000+08:00","text":"為什麼董事長不做了，現在就要暫停，為什麼？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"李秘書長世國","start":"2024-06-13T10:40:29.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:40:32.742000+08:00","text":"我們現在董事正在進行，準備要送出去……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:40:34.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:40:41.324000+08:00","text":"你已經核准這一千多位清寒獎學金跟董事會異動有關嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:40:41.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:40:42.804000+08:00","text":"這是例行性的工作啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李秘書長世國","start":"2024-06-13T10:40:44.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:40:58.428000+08:00","text":"因為董事長是法人代表，我們所有銀行的定存存單、相關的經費都是用董事長的章來做開戶，所以因為現在董事長懸缺，目前暫時沒有辦法發出去，我們也請各榮服處來幫忙宣導。","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:40:58.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T10:41:09.051000+08:00","text":"所有的基金會、很多的企業公司，其實都會突然發生這樣的事情，如果這樣就什麼都不能做，到底要怎麼營運？","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start":"2024-06-13T10:41:09.051000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T10:41:10.906000+08:00","text":"你要去想辦法，而不是拿這個當理由，你要他簽名，沒有董事長的話，還是有其他的方法啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"馬委員文君","start"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