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案。"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:28:08+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:28:13.999667+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，本席請銓敘部張次長，還有警政署張署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-06-13T12:28:13.999667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:28:19.999333+08:00","text":"請張次長及張署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:28:19.999333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:28:25.999000+08:00","text":"還有消防署蕭署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-06-13T12:28:25.999000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:28:31.998667+08:00","text":"請蕭署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2024-06-13T12:28:31.998667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:28:37.998333+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:28:37.998333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:28:43.998000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:28:43.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:28:46.139000+08:00","text":"張次長，恭喜您高升次長，我們好像十幾年前在新竹縣議會……對。","quality":0.56},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:28:46.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:28:48.319000+08:00","text":"您那時候是人事處長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:28:48.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:28:52.761000+08:00","text":"鏡蘭秘書非常照顧，非常感謝。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:28:52.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:28:53.321000+08:00","text":"先恭喜您。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:28:54.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:29:14.287000+08:00","text":"今天想跟您討論，我們今天是談警察人事條例，內容包含警消，首先第一個就是同工同酬跟不同工不同酬，您認同吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:29:16.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:29:18.309000+08:00","text":"對，同工同酬，不同工不同酬。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:29:18.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:29:24.152000+08:00","text":"我們的警消人員和一般坐辦公室的公務員……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:29:25.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:29:30.715000+08:00","text":"制度上設計是不同的，我剛剛有報告過，等一下我可以再跟委員做比較詳細的說明。","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:29:30.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:29:31.355000+08:00","text":"您認同嘛。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:29:31.355000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:29:49.972000+08:00","text":"我們現制也是這樣在處理。","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:29:49.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:29:56.818000+08:00","text":"我發現你們的報告有寫，就是銓敘部的報告，他們雖然有比較高，但他們工作的危險性和勞動性的程度跟一般公務人員就是不一樣。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:29:56.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:30:17.555000+08:00","text":"這應該是整體面的，我們是就我們人事制度的部分做了哪些事，剛才署長那邊也有說了很多在工作上、配備上、整個的執勤方式應該有更多的配套讓警消同仁能夠有更好的保障。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:30:17.555000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:30:30.216667+08:00","text":"配備歸配備，但對於警消人員應有的照顧和福利，我們不能忽視，就是不能同等於一般公務人員。","quality":0.026},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:30:30.216667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:30:42.878333+08:00","text":"我們的態度是一般公務人員跟警消，警消方面我剛才已經表態過了，我非常尊敬警消的同仁夥伴。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:30:42.878333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:30:55.540000+08:00","text":"是啊，我們都是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:30:55.540000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:31:08.201667+08:00","text":"對我們來講，公務人員和警消人員，其實手心是肉、手背也是肉，我們必須要有一個衡平的對待。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:31:08.201667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:31:20.863333+08:00","text":"你就先到這裡。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:31:20.863333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:31:33.525000+08:00","text":"公務人員有週休二日，還有國定假日、休假、加班補休，可是警消是輪班制，甚至常常出勤要熬夜，他們還支援非警勤務，最重要的是他們都是冒著生命危險在執勤，所以首先你還要瞭解到，我請兩位署長上來就是說，既然次長說薪水這麼優渥，對他們的照顧好像已經比較好了，我請警政署長和消防署長分別簡答，為什麼警消缺額的問題一直沒有辦法解決？","quality":0.146},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:31:33.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:31:35.046000+08:00","text":"為什麼那麼少人想要去？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:31:38.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:31:46.271000+08:00","text":"警消加給這麼多，可是離職這麼多，而且還有提前申請退休等等，多做幾年不是更好，領更多。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:31:46.271000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:31:49.253000+08:00","text":"報告委員，跟委員搶一點點時間。","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:31:49.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:31:52.714000+08:00","text":"我們的統計，這幾年警消的退休是一個比較常態的現象，每年大概一千六百多人到1,800人，它是一個穩定的狀態，所以剛剛提到所謂退休潮等等……","quality":0.621},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:32:02.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:32:04.942000+08:00","text":"這幾年人就一直不足，警消人員都不足，你聽一下警政署和消防署的聲音好不好？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:32:04.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:32:05.343000+08:00","text":"我們這端的統計資料呈現出來就是這樣的狀態，我們可以把數據提供給您。好。","quality":0.344},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:32:05.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:32:05.523000+08:00","text":"請署長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2024-06-13T12:32:05.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:32:05.543000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2024-06-13T12:32:05.543000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:32:15.896333+08:00","text":"警察的工作不同於其他一般的公務人員，真的是非常繁重。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:32:15.896333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:32:26.249667+08:00","text":"對，危險。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2024-06-13T12:32:26.249667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:32:36.603000+08:00","text":"除了本身的工作之外，有危險性、不特定性而且是在輪班，生活步調紊亂，不是只有本身的工作，還有其他機關的職務協助。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:32:36.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:32:37.923000+08:00","text":"對，非警勤務。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2024-06-13T12:32:37.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:32:47.865000+08:00","text":"佔的非常多，所以有些在退休的考慮上可能有時候就是因為經年累月受不了，可能就是提早退休。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:32:48.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:33:01.808000+08:00","text":"我們的立場，尤其時代的變化，我們看到警消人員都非常辛苦，當然我們警察人員更是，消防人員是有勤務的時候來協助，但是警察平常打擊犯罪等各方面非常辛苦且危險，所以我覺得給他好的退休制度、好的退休金制度，還有薪水高一點，我認為不能按照一般公務人員來看待。","quality":0.416},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:33:01.808000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:33:09.308375+08:00","text":"警政署署長有回答了，有關消防人員，蕭署長你簡單答10秒。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蕭署長煥章","start":"2024-06-13T12:33:09.308375+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:33:16.808750+08:00","text":"感謝委員，我們消防人員去年本來要進用1,000位，考試通過300位。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:33:16.808750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:33:24.309125+08:00","text":"這個我在內政委員會問過你了，你不用講。","quality":0.176},{"speaker":"蕭署長煥章","start":"2024-06-13T12:33:24.309125+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:33:31.809500+08:00","text":"所以未來的幾年，1,000位跟400位是同樣會進駐。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:33:31.809500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:33:39.309875+08:00","text":"我指的是消防人員工作上的辛苦。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蕭署長煥章","start":"2024-06-13T12:33:39.309875+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:33:46.810250+08:00","text":"當然消防人員工作相當辛苦。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:33:46.810250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:33:54.310625+08:00","text":"而且危險。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蕭署長煥章","start":"2024-06-13T12:33:54.310625+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:34:01.811000+08:00","text":"隨時因應勤務狀況需要出勤，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:34:01.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:34:12.139000+08:00","text":"次長，10年前警察號稱8萬大軍，現在剩下7萬，人手變少但勤務增加，加上社會變遷，他們都非常的辛苦。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:34:12.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:34:58.373000+08:00","text":"所以我們還是希望，如果真的要講到整體，當然我相信很多委員也有講，整個整體，我們有為的、廉能的政府，錢是絕對可以替民眾、對各行各業來想辦法，但是我也認同要合理，這個合理就在於我們大家要共同來看，我們對警消人員的照顧是不夠的，我們希望對他們能夠更好，所以這個部分也希望次長能夠重視，本席今天就特別跟你談，針對警消我們本來就不一樣。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:34:58.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:35:09.340000+08:00","text":"最後表達的就是有關年金改革，其實年金改革也是對不起軍公教人員，怎麼可以違反信賴保護原則？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:35:10.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:35:15.763000+08:00","text":"只是這個部分在過去，過去8年我們不談，所以……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:35:15.763000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:35:17.264000+08:00","text":"報告委員，經過大法官會議解釋……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:35:17.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:35:21.026000+08:00","text":"你自己也是公務人員，我們就是對不起軍公教。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:35:21.026000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:35:22.026000+08:00","text":"我們事實上……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:35:21.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:35:26.850000+08:00","text":"你如果要改革，可以，但是不能溯及既往，這個是最重要的原則。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2024-06-13T12:35:27.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2024-06-13T12:35:38.617000+08:00","text":"今天談警察人事條例的部分，我們是針對警消的辛苦跟危險，我們一定要重視，所以他們的照顧我覺得是可以加權、可以加重的，就這樣，謝謝。","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"張次長秋元","start":"2024-06-13T12:35:39.117000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:35:40.831286+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2024-06-13T12:35:41.131286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2024-06-13T12:35:44.274143+08:00","text":"下一位請張智倫委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}