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你知道中小企業的平均壽命是多長嗎我跟你們講一下這兩個第一國會助理的部分"},{"start":212.654,"end":237.431,"text":"我是不是可以請勞動部來回應一下因為有關於勞工放假的部分我們都按照這個規矩不過黃委員所提到說我們內政部在去年年底的時候為了提高我們有一些基層的工作人員的一個費用很抱歉我已經跟他們道歉過了因為我們的114年的預算是把它編在業務費裡面已經被刪跟凍掉了我們今天就我們的學姐來討論"},{"start":243.474,"end":265.578,"text":"國會助理的特休假累積並沒有這個規定就是說要看立委本人他要不要讓他休同樣依據我們經濟部中小企業處來統計台灣中小企業的平均壽命是13年你怎麼做滿15年所以這不可能所以我們將法定工時國定假日特別休假轉換成年總工時的時候而且並依照我們年資來計算的話"},{"start":269.545,"end":294.132,"text":"韓國他入職的第一年他的總工時是1840個小時為什麼他會低於平均因為他第一年就給15天的特休假然後而後是逐步下降那日本入職第一年是平均是1872個小時因為他第一年的年休假只有10天但是隨即快速下降所以在年資滿了7年之後他的年總工時就低於1800個小時"},{"start":296.343,"end":318.675,"text":"因為國定假日少然後我們初入職的特休低於日韓所以台灣勞工入職前兩年的年總工時是在1900小時以上所以年資三到九年之間甚至停滯在1860個小時以上所以你要等到年資滿了九年之後才會逐步下降所以台灣的次度工時在入職前十年"},{"start":321.016,"end":338.526,"text":"每年的平均是比日本多出52個小時比韓國多出51.2個小時那這50多個小時代表什麼概念就是說如果我們把七天假加進來台灣的第一年之公者的這個制度公時才能夠真正的跟日韓並駕齊驅"},{"start":340.367,"end":353.291,"text":"所以部長你之前也提過說你要保障基層員工的權益是政府義不容辭的責任所以我想要請教部長就回答您是否支持讓勞工朋友們多做七天假改善我們台灣勞工過勞跟這些剝削的情況"},{"start":355.452,"end":365.848,"text":"我剛跟委員報告過了有關於我支持的那個勞動的條件的部分在這次114年預算的業務費已經被煽動掉了我已經跟他們道歉過那所謂的企業價格其實就是要回歸現在的五一勞動節的勞動的勞動門口已經有放假"},{"start":371.616,"end":374.119,"text":"主席我再用一點點的時間我想要請教一下我們的那個人事總署"},{"start":395.731,"end":414.005,"text":"我也好李署長你好署長很抱歉因為每次人事總署來到立法院本席就會把握機會來跟你們反映有關我們東台家級的這個問題因為這真的是很多東部公教人員的共同心聲本席絕對會一直爭取把握美式的機會希望最後能夠把集團的聲音能夠聽進去"},{"start":416.047,"end":443.78,"text":"我想在年金改革之後 年輕人報考公職的意願越來越低花東地區的公教機構跟學校承受越來越大的壓力那在資源匱乏 還有加上交通不足的情況之下偏鄉公務人員 教職人員的工作都負擔沉重造成什麼 人員流動頻率越來越高行政效率變低 學生受教的品質也受到影響那現在我們針對公教人員東台加給的部分每個月是多少錢"},{"start":447.51,"end":465.663,"text":"630塊跟委員抱歉因為那個是另外一個處沒有關係本席要反映給你聽我們都在加息一個月只有630塊這個630塊連台北台東的支強號都買不起都買不起這個誘因政策不足政人公務人員的流動性高我們偏鄉的教師也不願意留下來"},{"start":466.584,"end":478.699,"text":"那本席擔任過鄉長我非常了解這樣的工人員的高流動力會讓地方特別是在偏鄉會淪為基層工人員的訓練班等到他訓練完了 年資滿了他可能就回西部 回北部"},{"start":480.405,"end":506.827,"text":"所以我們現在建行我們必須要呼籲說你要討論現在現行的制度我們怎麼樣提高花東地區以及偏鄉離島的佳績減少這些因為地區造成不公平的現象增加我們公務員留下來的誘因有效能夠提升我們地方智能的量能我這邊要請處長將相關的信息帶回去人總這邊來討論來改善這個情況很抱歉今天的情況其實我們討論的這個事情是額外"},{"start":509.329,"end":518.521,"text":"但是本席很少有機會可以遇到人種所以至少請人種來幫幫忙可以嗎是謝謝組長 這個太麻煩了 組長是 我們會帶回去研究謝謝組長 謝謝部長 謝謝組長 謝謝好 謝謝黃金兵委員下一位我們請徐益臻委員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:15:13.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:15:13.792000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們請劉部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-03-17T11:15:13.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:15:13.852000+08:00","text":"部長有請。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-03-17T11:15:14.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:15:14.333000+08:00","text":"黃委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:15:14.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:15:14.913000+08:00","text":"部長早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:15:24.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:16:08.329000+08:00","text":"部長，應該很多人會拿你以前擔任立法委員期間，面對勞基法惡修時的作為來做這一次還給勞工7天假的修法評斷，本席認為觀察一個政治人物需要長時間，本席發現您在擔任內政部長期間，內政部從2025年開始要率先落實提升內政部所屬機關勞務承攬進駐員工的薪資標準，包括約僱、約聘、約用人員及勞務承攬進駐員工，像是國家公園以及所屬轄區的清潔人員、維護人員等等，他的月薪要提高最低工資的1.1倍，也就是3.1萬元起，對吧？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:16:11.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:16:21.827000+08:00","text":"部長，這個是你響應的政府作為加薪引擎的政策，這可以代表部長你是相當重視勞工的權益，所以請部長您回想一下，您當初針對這個加薪的行為，你說過什麼樣的話？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-03-17T11:16:25.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:16:29.095000+08:00","text":"我有點忘記，但是知道這件事情。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:16:29.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:16:33.556000+08:00","text":"我提醒你，部長，你當時說的是保障基層員工的權益是政府義不容辭的責任。當然。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:16:34.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:16:52.120000+08:00","text":"薪資的提升是一項基本的尊重，這個精神非常重要，我們可以把勞基法修惡的那一塊翻頁，既然內政部很重視我們勞工的權益，我們來談談為什麼要放這7天假，我想這個絕對不是勞動部或經濟部的事情，內政部也可以有自己的態度。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:16:54.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:17:21.088000+08:00","text":"我們從去年2024年12月開始，勞動部揭露國際工時比較中，臺灣2023年的人均工時達到了2,020個小時，是全球第5高、亞洲第2高，我們亞洲僅次於新加坡，我們從法定的工時來看，臺灣跟日、韓一樣都是單週40個小時，新加坡是單週44個小時，看起來臺灣的法定工時沒有比別人差，但差別出在哪裡？","quality":0.991},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:17:21.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:17:26.970000+08:00","text":"就是在有薪假的規定上面，請問部長，我們國家的國定假日是幾天？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:17:27.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:17:31.692000+08:00","text":"另外，我們最喜歡比較的日本跟韓國，他們國定假日又是幾天？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-03-17T11:17:34.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:17:37.954000+08:00","text":"是問我們的國定假日的放假日是幾天？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:17:37.954000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-17T11:17:40.939000+08:00","text":"對，是幾天？11天。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:17:40.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:17:41.960000+08:00","text":"提醒部長，臺灣是12天。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-03-17T11:17:41.960000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-17T11:17:43.342000+08:00","text":"如果是勞工的話是12天，抱歉。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:17:43.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:17:46.485000+08:00","text":"我先提醒，臺灣是12天，韓國、日本是16跟15天。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-03-17T11:17:46.485000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-17T11:17:47.485000+08:00","text":"好，抱歉。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:17:47.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:18:04.493000+08:00","text":"我想，這個就是在起點的相當不同，因為除了跨國間的國定假日不同以外，還有特休的差異，像在年資滿15年之前，臺灣的特休假基本都少於日韓，年資只有滿3年、未滿4年，大概是贏日本2天。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:18:05.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:18:11.475000+08:00","text":"因為有些人會認為說，只要年資夠高，臺灣的特休就高達30天，明顯勝於日韓對不對？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:18:11.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:18:13.076000+08:00","text":"但關鍵因素是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:18:13.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:18:17.278000+08:00","text":"我想我們的勞工可不可以在一個工作從一而終，這是第一個。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:18:17.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:18:25.821000+08:00","text":"第二個，部長，你擔任過立委，你的幕僚也就是國會的助理，請問他們換了新老闆之後，他特休的年假可以累積嗎？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:18:26.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:18:34.569000+08:00","text":"另外，臺灣又是中小企業為主，你知道中小企業的平均壽命是多長嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:18:34.569000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-17T11:18:35.569000+08:00","text":"部長，你知道這兩個問題的答案嗎？","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:18:35.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:18:37.054000+08:00","text":"第一個國會助理的部分。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-03-17T11:18:39.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:18:42.816000+08:00","text":"我是不是可以請勞動部來回應一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-03-17T11:18:43.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:18:46.619000+08:00","text":"因為有關於勞工放假的部分，我們都按照規矩。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-03-17T11:18:46.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:19:02.709000+08:00","text":"不過，黃委員所提到說，內政部在去年年底的時候，為了提高我們有一些基層的工作人員的費用，很抱歉，我已經跟他們道歉過了，因為我們的114年的預算是把它編在業務費裡面，已經被刪跟凍掉了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:19:02.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:19:04.431000+08:00","text":"部長，我們今天就我們的休假來討論。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:19:10.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:19:24.217000+08:00","text":"部長，讓本席跟你回答，國會助理的特休假累積並沒有這個規定，就是說，要看立委本人要不要讓他休了，同樣依據經濟部中小企業處來統計，臺灣中小企業的平均壽命是13年，怎麼做滿15年？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:19:24.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:19:42.827000+08:00","text":"所以這不可能，所以我們將法定工時、國定假日、特別休假轉換成年總工時的時候，並依照我們年資來計算的話，韓國入職的第1年的總工時是1,840個小時，為什麼它會低於平均？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:19:42.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:20:01.132000+08:00","text":"因為第1年就給15天的特休假，爾後是逐步下降；日本入職第1年平均是1,872個小時，因為第1年的年休假只有10天，但是隨即快速下降，所以在年資滿7年之後，他的年總工時就低於1,800個小時。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:20:03.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:20:22.693000+08:00","text":"因為國定假日少，然後我們初入職的特休又低於日韓，所以臺灣勞工入職前2年的年總工時是在1,900小時以上，年資3到9年之間甚至停滯在1,860個小時以上，要等到年資滿9年之後才會逐步下降。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:20:23.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:20:37.822000+08:00","text":"所以臺灣的制度工時在入職前10年，每年平均是比日本多出52個小時、比韓國多出51.2個小時，這五十多個小時代表是什麼概念？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:20:38.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:20:45.526000+08:00","text":"就是如果我們把七天假加進來，臺灣的低年資工者的制度工時才能夠真正地跟日韓並駕齊驅。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:20:47.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:21:00.291000+08:00","text":"部長之前也提過，保障基層員工的權益是政府義不容辭的責任，所以我想要請教部長，您是否支持讓勞工朋友們多這七天假，以改善臺灣勞工過勞跟剝削的情況？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-03-17T11:21:02.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:21:11.005000+08:00","text":"我剛剛跟委員報告過，有關於我支持的勞動條件的部分，在這次114年預算的業務費已經被刪凍掉了，我已經跟你們道歉過……","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:21:11.005000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-17T11:21:12.005000+08:00","text":"部長，我現在請問你是否支持就好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2025-03-17T11:21:11.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:21:12.828000+08:00","text":"所謂七天假的部分，其實就是要回歸現在的五一勞動節的勞動人口已經有放假。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:21:12.828000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-17T11:21:15.722000+08:00","text":"部長，我是說你也很照顧勞工，你都有把薪水調高，請問你是否支持勞工朋友能夠有多的假來休息？","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:21:15.722000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-17T11:21:18.616000+08:00","text":"你回答是否支持這樣子就好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:21:18.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:21:21.099000+08:00","text":"另外，因為時間的關係，主席，我再用一點點的時間，我想要請教人事總處，人事總處今天剛好有到立法院。","quality":0.452},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-03-17T11:21:21.099000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-17T11:21:43.051000+08:00","text":"有請人事總處。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李處長花書","start":"2025-03-17T11:21:43.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:21:43.051000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:21:43.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:21:43.932000+08:00","text":"李處長你好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:21:45.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:22:00.985000+08:00","text":"處長，抱歉，每次人事總處來到立法院，本席就會把握機會來跟你們反映有關東台加給的問題，因為這真的是很多東部公教人員共同的心聲，本席絕對會一直爭取，把握每次的機會，希望中央能夠把基層的聲音聽進去。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:22:03.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:22:27.078000+08:00","text":"在年金改革之後，年輕人報考公職的意願越來越低，花東地區的公教機構跟學校承受越來越大的壓力，在資源匱乏加上交通不便的情況之下，偏鄉公務人員跟教職人員的工作都負擔沉重，造成人員流動頻率越來越高，行政效率變低，學生受教品質也受到影響。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:22:27.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:22:30.780000+08:00","text":"現在針對公教人員東台加給的部分，每個月是多少錢？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:22:34.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:22:34.510000+08:00","text":"630塊，對吧？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"李處長花書","start":"2025-03-17T11:22:34.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:22:37.672000+08:00","text":"跟委員抱歉，因為那個是另外一個處──給與福利處……","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:22:37.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:22:52.663000+08:00","text":"沒關係，本席要反映給你聽，我們東台加給一個月只有630塊，這個630塊連臺北到臺東的自強號都買不起，這個誘因政策不足，造成公務人員的流動性高，偏鄉的教師也不願意留下來。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2025-03-17T11:22:53.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-17T11:23:05.679000+08:00","text":"本席擔任過鄉長，我非常了解公務人員的高流動率會讓地方，特別是偏鄉，淪為基層公務人員的訓練班，等到他訓練完了、年資滿了，他可能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