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這也就像你們現在跟勞動部、經濟部還有教育部的聯繫我希望也能夠更緊密當然你們現在有對產業那我相信這幾個部會應該在對學校、對產業還有對其他相關的他們應對的組織或人口會給你們更大的一個支持"},{"start":326.081,"end":342.82,"text":"所以可能部會之間也要再更緊密那接下來就是本席要談的其實就是人才培育跟產業學的合作那這個就談到本席長期關注在整個教育體系怎麼樣培育人才的這個部分所以我們目前儘管今年"},{"start":343.28,"end":369.539,"text":"大家在這個資工等等因為AI產業的關係我們有很多學生要進入這樣子一個領域但是人才的數量跟品質其實還是沒有辦法同步的提升這除了在教育體系我們對學生品質提升以外那個在人才的這個部分我想跟您請教產業界也有普遍反映大學畢業的學生技能跟實務需求落差過大那要直接上線的時間也比以前越來越長"},{"start":370.76,"end":391.356,"text":"那你們如何改善產學落差的這個問題然後讓學生能夠畢業及就業那第二個部分是你們是不是有具體的計畫來提升理工畢業生的實務技能可不可以提供某些誘因來鼓勵企業與學界合作加速人才養成不過這個部分本行應和教育委員會大概對於教育部所提的機制"},{"start":391.736,"end":405.377,"text":"有蠻深的了解本席今天問你最主要是想從國發會的這個觀點國家整體的政策戰略地位來探討這個問題那你可以有很快的跟本席做一個回應嗎那如果沒有就補資料好不好好"},{"start":406.277,"end":433.545,"text":"那這個我大概很快講一下我們目前對於產協落差的部分我們現在是有補助到協助到研究所這個層級那協助這個研究所這包括博士生研究所整個以術生為主海涵博士生我們讓這個產業的業師進來教課那我們協助他們可以在學在那個教師費成本上面我們有協助他會不會是你們主政的嘛對不對我們不是主政我們是"},{"start":434.866,"end":461.422,"text":"出钱协助教育部所以是教育部提出来的吗对这些还是以教育部为主那刚才我提的就是跟产业界合作怎么样加速我们就书面报告给你是的最后一个可以请你直接本席怎么样了解应该是我们的高阶人才外流的数据其实我可以请教你很快的主要目前流向哪一些国家那面对高薪挖角的台湾人才那我们有"},{"start":462.403,"end":469.878,"text":"調整薪資結構的一些想法或政策規劃嗎或者是提高某一些誘因來留任高階的人才"},{"start":470.902,"end":497.572,"text":"我們高階人才外流就我的了解在實務面的話對岸的比較多因為他大概都用兩倍到三倍的薪資把我們挖走但這個裡面同時也常常會產生糾紛您可以看到新聞譬如說台達電等等都有去控告他一些離職的主管那這個部分我們是有提醒各單位我們是不是可以參考"},{"start":499.293,"end":524.601,"text":"營業秘密法跟國安法來做一些比較關注另外有一些是到歐美所以您這邊提到對岸是最多我這邊其實也有建議說你怎麼提高誘因與其現在圍堵或者是用禁止的方式有沒有可能我們內在本質也可以做一些調整我的意思是更積極面我剛才講到透過誘因來提高人才的留任率我們是想從誘因來下手"},{"start":527.142,"end":531.286,"text":"因為我們人民有移動的自由我們比較難去限制那怎麼樣去改善我們這邊的生活"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:03:01.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:03:01.725000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:03:02.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:03:06.648000+08:00","text":"各位部會同仁和立院同仁大家好，是不是先請劉主委？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-03-19T12:03:06.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:03:07.088000+08:00","text":"劉主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:03:07.088000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-19T12:03:12.921000+08:00","text":"委員午安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:03:12.921000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-19T12:03:18.754000+08:00","text":"劉主委好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:03:18.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:03:32.080000+08:00","text":"本席長期在教育及文化委員會，對於整個人才的培育非常重視，所以今天整個質詢的議題，大概聚焦在如何強化國際與本土專業人才的延攬與培育，確保我們的產業競爭力？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:03:36.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:03:44.636000+08:00","text":"依據我調到的資料，113年到115年重點產業人才供需調查及推估報告，臺灣18項重點產業中，有8項面臨人才短絀。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:03:48.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:03:58.048000+08:00","text":"其中IC設計、智慧機械跟數位醫療等領域的缺口特別嚴重，超過七成的企業明確指出專業人才不足。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:03:58.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:04:07.035000+08:00","text":"我想請教主委，你們是不是已經有掌握整個IC設計、智慧機械、數位醫療等產業的人才缺口？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:04:07.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:04:09.977000+08:00","text":"目前實際的短缺人數是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:04:10.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:04:18.084000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，針對這些產業的人才短缺，你們有哪些具體的措施跟成效評估的機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:04:20.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:04:51.896000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們在做人力需求推估的時候，的確是依據產業別來推估，而我們在跟教育部等單位做比較細的探討時，他們覺得最大的麻煩是，臺灣產業要的是次產業跟次次產業的人力需求，譬如說IC設計，它有邏輯的、有類比的，然後依據製程，會有不同的變化；依據用途，又有不同的變化。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:04:54.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:05:05.752000+08:00","text":"從政府的角度來講，光一個IC設計可能就會分出二、三十種類別，這樣的人才規劃上面，是目前我們遇到比較大的困境……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:05:06.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:05:07.615000+08:00","text":"所以是在細節的部分嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:05:07.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:05:15.407000+08:00","text":"我們現在只能做到您這邊寫到的，像IC、智慧機械、數位醫療，我們有這個數字，我們可以送過去您的辦公室給您。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:05:15.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:05:17.487000+08:00","text":"好的，麻煩您補一下這個資料。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:05:17.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:05:23.071000+08:00","text":"但是在執行上，目前比較大的困境是產業要的是更細……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:05:23.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:05:44.904000+08:00","text":"是的，這就是本席來這邊要跟您探討的，因為過去我對於教育人才這部分有一些關注，當然我也很關注未來學用合一的問題，所以除了您剛才講的那個資料，對於具體措施與成效評估的機制，如果你們有相關資料，希望也可以送給本席，好不好？好。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:05:45.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:05:46.225000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:05:46.385000+08:0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Taiwan國際人才服務及延攬中心與各機關的協調，來改善延攬的成效。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:06:28.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:06:48.321000+08:00","text":"針對人才延攬的目標進度、就業金卡機制的實施成效、Talent Taiwan中心的運作效能，還有你們在跨部會、跨機關協調的成效評估的這幾個問題，如果裡面有你可以直接用口語回答的，你就回答本席，如果沒有，麻煩你補資料好嗎？好。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:06:48.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:06:52.165000+08:00","text":"我剛才講的那4點，您有沒有可以直接跟本席回應的？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:06:53.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:07:21.729000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，現在就Talent 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Taiwan自己做，現在希望把它擴大，將來會變成民間企業組，然後分到部會去，大家一起來拉，這個量才會變大。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:07:57.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:07:59.647000+08:00","text":"好，這就像你們現在跟勞動部、經濟部還有教育部的聯繫，我希望能夠更緊密。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:07:59.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:08:17.304000+08:00","text":"當然你們現在有對產業，我相信這幾個部會應該在對學校、對產業，還有對其他相關的應對組織或人口，會給你們更大的支持，所以可能部會之間也要再更緊密。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:08:18.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:08:29.597000+08:00","text":"接下來本席要談的是人才培育跟產學的合作，這個就談到本席長期關注在整個教育體系如何培育人才的部分。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:08:30.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:08:42.548000+08:00","text":"目前在資工方面，因為AI產業的關係，有很多學生要進入這樣的領域，但是人才的數量跟品質還是沒有辦法同步提升。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:08:43.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:09:05.925000+08:00","text":"除了在教育的體系，我們對學生品質提升以外，在人才的部分，我想跟您請教，產業界也有普遍反映，大學畢業生的技能跟實務需求落差過大，要直接上線的時間也越來越長，你們如何改善產學落差的這個問題，然後讓學生能夠畢業即就業？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:09:06.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:09:10.809000+08:00","text":"第二個部分是，你們是不是有具體的計畫來提升理工畢業生的實務技能？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:09:11.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:09:15.932000+08:00","text":"可不可以提供某些誘因來鼓勵企業與學界合作，加速人才養成？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:09:16.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:09:32.434000+08:00","text":"這個部分，本席因為在教育委員會，大概對於教育部所提的機制有滿深的了解，本席今天問你，最主要是想從國發會的觀點，從國家整體的政策與戰略地位來探討這個問題，你可以很快的跟本席做一個回應嗎？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:09:32.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:09:33.856000+08:00","text":"如果沒有就補資料，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:09:34.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:09:45.020000+08:00","text":"好，我大概很快講一下，目前對於產學落差的部分，我們現在有協助到研究所這個層級，協助研究所……","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:09:45.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:09:47.381000+08:00","text":"包括博士生，研究所整個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:09:47.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:09:57.904000+08:00","text":"對，以碩士生為主，還含博士生，我們讓這個產業的業師進來教課，協助他們可以在教師費成本上面……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:09:59.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:10:01.505000+08:00","text":"這個部分是你們主政的，對不對？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:10:01.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:10:05.226000+08:00","text":"我們不是主政，我們是出錢協助教育部。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:10:05.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:10:06.907000+08:00","text":"OK，所以是教育部提出來的？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:10:07.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:10:08.628000+08:00","text":"對，這些還是以教育部為主。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:10:11.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:10:14.152000+08:00","text":"好，剛才我提的就是跟產業界的合作，怎麼樣加速……","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:10:14.152000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-19T12:10:16.373000+08:00","text":"其他部分我們就以書面報告給您。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:10:16.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:10:26.779000+08:00","text":"是的，最後一個本席要了解，我們高階人才外流的數據，目前主要流向哪一些國家？","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:10:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:10:35.491000+08:00","text":"面對高薪挖角的臺灣人才，我們有調整薪資結構的想法或政策規劃嗎？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:10:35.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:10:38.858000+08:00","text":"或者是提高某一些誘因，來留任高階的人才？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:10:39.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:10:49.646000+08:00","text":"我們高階人才外流，就我的了解，在實務面的話，對岸的比較多，因為他大概都用兩倍……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:10:49.646000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-19T12:10:50.646000+08:00","text":"都流到對岸嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:10:49.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:11:01.711000+08:00","text":"對，用兩倍到三倍的薪資把人才挖走，但這裡面同時也常常會產生糾紛，您可以看到新聞，譬如台達電等等，都有去控告一些離職的主管。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:11:03.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:11:10.994000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們有提醒各單位，可以參考營業秘密法跟國安法，來做一些比較……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:11:10.994000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-19T12:11:12.314000+08:00","text":"好，主委最後一個提醒，針對這一題……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉主任委員鏡清","start":"2025-03-19T12:11:12.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:11:13.595000+08:00","text":"另外有些是到歐美……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-03-19T12:11:14.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"20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