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碰到緊急狀況發布緊急命令來作為我們這個動員的需要所以我們應該是以緊急命令發布作為一個認定這樣子"},{"start":508.101,"end":528.09,"text":"所以他的定義就是要做調整對那第七條就要修法我想應該要規劃要來做一個調整那修法的版本什麼時候會提出來我想這一次連同這一個部分我們會一併來做個調整這樣好 謝謝部長 謝謝各位同仁大家辛苦了好 謝謝昭偉"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:16:35.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:16:35.709000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:16:36.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:16:46.052000+08:00","text":"有請國防部顧部長、全民防衛動員署李署長、軍醫局洪副局長。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-03-19T12:16:46.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:16:51.014000+08:00","text":"有請署長和局長，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-03-19T12:16:51.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:16:51.774000+08:00","text":"邱委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:16:52.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:02.937000+08:00","text":"部長，先請教國軍岡山醫院長照大樓這件事，這部分你可能比較不了解，本席先請教洪副局長。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:02.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:04.378000+08:00","text":"岡山醫院長照大樓的預算有沒有問題？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"洪副局長乙仁","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:08.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:11.797000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的關心，因為這個部分的經費分為兩個部分……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:12.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:12.558000+08:00","text":"有沒有問題啦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪副局長乙仁","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:13.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:15.520000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:16.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:17.122000+08:00","text":"工期會不會延宕？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"洪副局長乙仁","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:17.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:18.843000+08:00","text":"不會延宕。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪副局長乙仁","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:18.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:20.484000+08:00","text":"也謝謝委員的支持與協助。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:21.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:22.806000+08:00","text":"謝謝洪副局長，本席的問題問完了，請回座。","quality":0.471},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:25.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:37.546000+08:00","text":"接下來是全民防衛動員署，本席在總質詢時有提到所謂的慈湖陵寢和大溪陵寢，陵寢的定義是什麼？","quality":0.61},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:37.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:41.588000+08:00","text":"就是帝王之墓，怎麼會把一個獨裁者變成一個帝王？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:42.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:43.170000+08:00","text":"還定為帝王之墓？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:43.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:17:58.821000+08:00","text":"它的管理規則是「開放謁靈管理須知」，這個部分不是法律位階，它是一個行政命令，是一個須知而已，行政部門要改的話，馬上就可以改。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:17:59.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:18:09.191000+08:00","text":"你看，現在這個獨裁者的陵寢，這個帝王之墓，還有國軍每天在那邊看守、還有禮兵交接儀式。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:18:10.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:18:17.914000+08:00","text":"這是你們可以做的，我總質詢時沒有那麼多時間討論，部長，你是不是來表示一下態度？","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-03-19T12:18:20.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:18:28.531000+08:00","text":"我想這個應該要依照行政院的政策，我們來……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:18:28.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:18:29.252000+08:00","text":"行政院的什麼政策？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:18:29.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:18:30.533000+08:00","text":"行政院有提出政策嗎？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-03-19T12:18:30.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:18:35.158000+08:00","text":"行政院應該有交代文化部有相關的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:18:35.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:18:41.384000+08:00","text":"這是你們全動署發布的行政命令，你們願不願意調整？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:18:41.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:18:42.705000+08:00","text":"或是思考怎麼調整？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-03-19T12:18:45.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:18:46.848000+08:00","text":"我們這個部分是以……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:18:48.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:18:49.410000+08:00","text":"包括名稱，是不是可以改？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:18:52.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:18:52.732000+08:00","text":"非得要部署禮兵嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:18:52.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:19:00.857000+08:00","text":"你們可以從須知修改，就是你們要不要改而已，這不涉及法律的修正。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-03-19T12:19:03.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:19:15.072000+08:00","text":"目前這個部分還是屬於營區的安全維護，我們目前沒有相關規劃。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:19:15.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:19:19.954000+08:00","text":"所謂的帝王之墓、獨裁者的墓，有沒有安全疑慮？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:19:19.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:19:20.554000+08:00","text":"哪來的安全疑慮？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:19:20.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:19:21.154000+08:00","text":"有人會盜墓嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:19:21.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:19:21.674000+08:00","text":"本席不覺得有任何安全上的疑慮。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:19:31.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:19:36.794000+08:00","text":"你們應該去思考這個問題，特別是用陵寢這個名稱，因為它的意思是帝王之墓，你們把獨裁者視為帝王？","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:19:36.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:19:38.755000+08:00","text":"我不曉得為什麼沒有辦法回答這個問題，部長，因為我的時間一分一秒在過去。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-03-19T12:19:38.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:19:39.356000+08:00","text":"我現在只能說，我們目前暫時沒有這樣的一個規劃。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:19:39.356000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-19T12:19:40.356000+08:00","text":"why？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:19:39.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:19:39.516000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:19:39.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:19:39.636000+08:00","text":"為什麼暫時沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:01.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:03.616000+08:00","text":"暫時的狀態跟定義是多久？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:04.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:06.257000+08:00","text":"一個月、兩個月、三個月還是一年？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:08.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:14.042000+08:00","text":"委員的意見，我們參考來做相關的研議，我們也跟文化部來進行……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:14.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:18.085000+08:00","text":"是不是一個月之內，可以把你們的想法做一個書面報告？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:20.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:20.926000+08:00","text":"這不是新問題，這是老問題了！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:20.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:35.430000+08:00","text":"部長是人權鬥士，曾經是轉型正義的律師，你應該特別有感才對。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:37.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:40.652000+08:00","text":"我們再跟文化部來進行協調。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:41.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:46.774000+08:00","text":"我會一直質詢，但不能像現在都沒有話說！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:46.774000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:47.827800+08:00","text":"請問全動署署長，您的看法如何？","quality":0.231},{"speaker":"李署長定中","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:47.827800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:48.881600+08:00","text":"報告委員，我的看法……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:48.881600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:49.935400+08:00","text":"跟部長一樣？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李署長定中","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:49.935400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:50.989200+08:00","text":"對，因為業管單位是文化部，我們會跟文化部來做協調。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:50.989200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:52.043000+08:00","text":"署長請回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:52.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:20:54.744000+08:00","text":"第二個問題，有關國軍的送訓制度，我們在國軍送訓這個部分要花很多的錢，每年1億。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:20:54.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:21:45.853000+08:00","text":"一位送訓出國的軍官，四年大概要花1,000萬左右，但是從他的服役年資來看，他比國軍平均服役年資少了將近四年，他的職涯會發生一些問題，所以送訓制度沒有辦法發揮原本的功能，送訓就是希望有更多好的人才回來，可以有新的思維，來提升國軍的整體綜合能力。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:21:47.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:21:49.449000+08:00","text":"對於這個部分，部長您的看法呢？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-03-19T12:21:53.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:22:17.845000+08:00","text":"如果是出國念軍校，比如您剛才在這裡提到的西點軍校或其他軍校的這個部分，我們現在應該還是要儘量讓他的經管能夠完成，所以我們會按照他的專長，讓他從事部隊的職務訓練。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-03-19T12:22:17.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:22:20.547000+08:00","text":"現行的送訓制度有沒有必要做改革或調整？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-03-19T12:22:22.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:22:22.909000+08:00","text":"送訓的制度？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-03-19T12:22:24.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-03-19T12:22:32.151000+08:00","text":"我覺得應該是他回來之後，我們讓他進行相關的歷練，不要妨礙他的職涯發展。是嘛！","quality":0.912},{"speake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