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這個擔任大使啊真的可以說駕輕就熟啊"},{"start":452.569,"end":469.357,"text":"這樣後來就盡量讓大使都娶女兒就對了對 美國就是這樣國會議員去擔任大使的比比皆是這是未來的趨勢是不是未來的 不是現在就是如此不是說只有未來喔過去也是好 那就是先預祝穩定以後快要當大使啦"},{"start":472.119,"end":479.405,"text":"他不是這樣啦,他不是這樣啦,現在進行室都要找我們的立委當大使,我是第一次聽到啦國會議員啦,美國的國會議員當大使的,算起來我想我幾百人去了好啦,我跟你說啦齁"},{"start":487.23,"end":512.316,"text":"林昶佐他去擔任大使給外界的感覺就是是大陸人不認識還是沒有沒有 外交官外交官資深的像現在坐在這裡面的一堆外交官心裡他沒有XXX我都不相信委員您上次問的時候就好幾個現在去當大使了像那個住印尼的旁邊你最左邊那一個人那個他也很想當大使他時間到了也會去當他還沒有當"},{"start":514.851,"end":534.212,"text":"這裏面都有資格,而且很多人其實都...你說奇怪,你說那邊的人要做大使,這裏面的人要做大使,整間都要做大使我跟你講,比如像希臘,愛爾蘭,還有這個以前都是比較屬於非職業外交官現在都由職業外交官去擔任大使,最近的"},{"start":535.009,"end":536.01,"text":"林昭祖不是職業外交官吧林務局長啊去希臘啊還有我們的那個人社會主任區愛爾蘭我總結一句話就結束了你的意思就是說未來"},{"start":555.046,"end":573.318,"text":"立委 中國立委的 出任外交官的機會很大外交國安委員會特別是很適合啦 外交國安委員會現在做不吞黨派都很適合第二個 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gear！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:35:37.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:35:40.187000+08:00","text":"剛才大家一直問你林昶佐，等一下我再問好了。是。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:35:41.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:36:03.155000+08:00","text":"我先問你另外的題目，關於前教宗方濟各的喪禮以及現在新教宗良十四世就職，請問教廷跟中華民國有沒有邦交？有。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:36:03.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:36:10.298000+08:00","text":"有邦交，當然要爭取總統或者副總統參與啊，為什麼都爭取不到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:36:11.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:36:11.079000+08:00","text":"部長，怎麼這麼「頇顢」？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:36:11.079000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:36:16.090000+08:00","text":"為什麼這麼「頇顢」？","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:36:16.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:36:28.455000+08:00","text":"正式的邦交國，他們舊教宗的彌撒或者什麼，然後新教宗的上任，跟我們是邦交國，為什麼我們沒辦法爭取到我們總統、副總統過去，為什麼？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:36:32.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:36:44.104000+08:00","text":"我們當然是希望有這樣的機會，這一次經過雙邊的溝通，認為由陳前副總統擔任總統特使是比較好的安排。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:36:44.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:36:44.724000+08:00","text":"怎麼比較好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:36:44.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:36:45.724000+08:00","text":"效果也很好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:36:45.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:36:45.085000+08:00","text":"賴清德去最好啦！","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:36:45.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:36:45.965000+08:00","text":"想也知道，不然蕭美琴也可以啊！","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:36:45.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:36:46.805000+08:00","text":"有正式邦交國，哪裡有讓陳建仁去的，那還不如你去就好了，對不對？","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:36:59.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:01.089000+08:00","text":"陳前副總統有他在國際上的地位……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:01.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:01.670000+08:00","text":"不是啦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:01.670000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:02.670000+08:00","text":"當然他地位很高啦……","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:02.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:02.951000+08:00","text":"而且他跟教廷的關係是長久的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:02.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:03.271000+08:00","text":"是啦，你這樣說，那我們就不要邦交國了啊！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:03.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:03.591000+08:00","text":"那個叫實質外交的關係啊，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:03.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:04.592000+08:00","text":"部長，這個部分老實講是外交部做得很爛啦、大扣分啦！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:04.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:04.972000+08:00","text":"不然也聽一下，哇，你爭取到什麼，請問是來自中國大陸的打壓嗎？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:26.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:26.902000+08:00","text":"當然有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:27.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:29.584000+08:00","text":"中國是什麼都會打壓的，不管是任何事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:29.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:30.665000+08:00","text":"你這是一推二百五啊！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:30.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:30.966000+08:00","text":"中華民國的外交部長很好當耶！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:31.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:31.546000+08:00","text":"我們只要呼吸，中共也會打壓。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:31.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:32.787000+08:00","text":"是啊，所以中華民國的外交部長很好做啊，只要不順利就說是「阿共」的打壓。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:32.787000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:33.787000+08:00","text":"不會啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:33.787000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:34.787000+08:00","text":"「阿共」的打壓！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:32.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:34.188000+08:00","text":"委員，在國際上，我們外交的困境你也了解，我們也在不斷的突破，希望捍衛我們的權益。","quality":0.657},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:34.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:54.477000+08:00","text":"中國大陸對臺灣的打壓幾十年來都如此，他不是今天才打壓，也不會是林佳龍當部長才打壓，always打壓！對！","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:54.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:55.538000+08:00","text":"他跟我們是邦交國耶，我要強調的是這個，他根我們有邦交，但派不出我們的總統，也派不出我們的副總統，那是有夠「低路」啊！","quality":0.54},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:55.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:55.698000+08:00","text":"外交部長有夠「低路」，真的！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:55.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:56.178000+08:00","text":"「撨袂好」，這個有夠「低路」啊！真的！","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:37:56.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:37:56.278000+08:00","text":"我講這個話你接受嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:21.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:22.945000+08:00","text":"我認為……我不接受啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:23.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:23.725000+08:00","text":"你不接受，你覺得你做得很棒？","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:23.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:23.765000+08:00","text":"你做得很棒？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:23.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:25.145000+08:00","text":"其實外交是很複雜的，委員也了解，我們跟教廷的關係要能夠維繫，然後我們也……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:25.145000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:26.145000+08:00","text":"可憐喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:25.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:26.806000+08:00","text":"一個跟我們有正式邦交的國家，這麼重要的慶典，我們的總統、副總統沒有辦法去，你說你都沒有覺得怎麼樣……","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:26.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:28.147000+08:00","text":"我想新的教宗應該也會有新的作為啦，我們也是有所期待。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:50.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:51.096000+08:00","text":"你是怎樣，你是準備要斷交了，是不是？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:51.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:51.757000+08:00","text":"是準備斷交了，是不是？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:51.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:52.458000+08:00","text":"我們希望關係可以不斷的再提升。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:52.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:52.718000+08:00","text":"請問你，今年度不會斷交吧？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:52.718000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:53.718000+08:00","text":"譬如說……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:53.718000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:54.718000+08:00","text":"我就問你這個問題，因為我的發言時間快到了。","quality":0.105},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:52.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:38:53.118000+08:00","text":"這個在一年前委員也有問過我啊，我剛上任的時候啊。對！","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:38:53.118000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:07.898000+08:00","text":"現在呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:07.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:16.988000+08:00","text":"我們就是把12個邦交國都顧好，這是基本的，但是我們除了顧邦交國，我們希望能夠有外交空間走出去。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:17.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:34.771000+08:00","text":"要給老百姓看得到嘛，陳建仁去我沒有意見，因為他有天主教的背景，但是我在意的是，他是我們的邦交國、他是我們的邦交國，不能夠只有靠實質外交關係，因為是有正式外交關係，請問你有沒有跟他們提出來說要請總統或副總統去，有沒有提出來？","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:34.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:34.911000+08:00","text":"我們都有溝通……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:34.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:35.291000+08:00","text":"有沒有提出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:35.291000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:36.291000+08:00","text":"你先回答我這個問題！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:35.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:35.951000+08:00","text":"陳前副總統也轉達了總統的致賀函，面交……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:35.951000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:36.951000+08:00","text":"不是啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:35.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:36.291000+08:00","text":"他們也有回復。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:36.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:37.672000+08:00","text":"我問你，你有沒有正式跟他說，我們要請我們的總統出席？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:37.672000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:58.075000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:58.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:58.516000+08:00","text":"這當然有列入我們的選項。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:58.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:39:59.037000+08:00","text":"你有沒有跟他講啦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:59.037000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:40:00.037000+08:00","text":"你有沒有跟教廷講？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:39:59.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:40:00.479000+08:00","text":"我們透過駐教廷的大使。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:40:00.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:40:00.719000+08:00","text":"他們說No？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:40:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:40:14.421000+08:00","text":"他們負責的國務院就還是原來的人嘛，國務院院長……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:40:14.421000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:40:15.421000+08:00","text":"說No，是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:40:15.421000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:40:16.421000+08:00","text":"他們說No？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:40:14.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:40:35.393000+08:00","text":"沒有，他們覺得這樣的安排是很好的安排，我們覺得以長久來看，我們跟教廷的關係一定要建立在這樣的互信之下，然後不斷去提升，過去有一些限制，我們希望能夠突破。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:40:36.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:40:36.674000+08:00","text":"什麼限制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:40:36.674000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:40:38.980000+08:00","text":"什麼限制？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:40:38.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:40:53.508000+08:00","text":"大家應該也了解，2018年涉及到的教廷跟中國的主教任命臨時協定，自從那個之後，梵諦岡對臺的一些政策、作法……","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:40:54.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:40:56.450000+08:00","text":"我們帳一個一個算啦！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:40:56.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:41:15.760000+08:00","text":"今年的WHA也是「槓龜」，CPTPP每次說要去也沒有，到現在為止，萊豬也吃了、核食也吃了，什麼都……你們以前的次長李淳還公開說，在辯論的時候說，只要吃了萊豬就可以加入CPTPP，這樣咕咕咕，CPTPP也沒有，都在騙啦！","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:41:16.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:41:16.520000+08:00","text":"都在騙啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:41:17.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:41:17.481000+08:00","text":"外交部變成說謊部啦！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:41:24.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:41:26.124000+08:00","text":"這真的是很悲哀的事情。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:41:26.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:41:29.727000+08:00","text":"好，最後一個題目，回到今天很熱門的問題，請問你，林昶佐最早是誰提出來的？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:41:29.727000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:41:35.250000+08:00","text":"林昶佐？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:41:35.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:41:40.093000+08:00","text":"對，林昶佐要當這個大使，是你提出來的，是不是？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:41:40.093000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:41:41.093000+08:00","text":"還是上面交辦下來的？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:41:40.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:41:46.116000+08:00","text":"任何大使或代表都是總統所任命的。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:41:46.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:41:48.157000+08:00","text":"所以總統交給你，你就發布？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:41:48.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:01.124000+08:00","text":"我是外交部長，當然我會綜合考量，也會建議，以我們現在總合外交的推動，適才適所來安排駐外的大使跟代表。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:02.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:03.850000+08:00","text":"對啦，我是不知道啦，他是要去……現在是怎樣，現在芬蘭欠歌手，是不是？","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:03.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:04.110000+08:00","text":"欠歌手……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:04.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:04.731000+08:00","text":"芬蘭不是只有重金屬，因為……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:04.731000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:05.731000+08:00","text":"欠歌手，所以需要林昶佐來當大使……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:04.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:05.972000+08:00","text":"芬蘭人權、安全、經貿、觀光都非常的發展，我們不能夠小看了芬蘭。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:05.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:24.851000+08:00","text":"對啊，不然我不知道，林昶佐最主要就是他很會唱歌啊，沒有人說他唱歌不好，他唱歌非常好啊……","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:25.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:29.394000+08:00","text":"他以前是你們的同事耶，2屆的外交國防委員會委員，而且……","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:29.394000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:30.394000+08:00","text":"我知道啊，我知道啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:30.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:35.798000+08:00","text":"而且他代表臺灣到包括丹麥的民主峰會，還受拜登總統之邀去華府耶！","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:35.798000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:36.798000+08:00","text":"如果這樣，王定宇更適合。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:36.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:36.558000+08:00","text":"也是適合啊，你也很適合啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:36.558000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:37.558000+08:00","text":"王定宇更適合，做了這麼久的外交國防的召委，他有資歷……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:36.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:40.401000+08:00","text":"我覺得委員你也非常適合耶，您具備的資歷真的是，如果擔任大使，真的可以說駕輕就熟啊！","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:52.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:55.511000+08:00","text":"這樣下次就儘量用，大使都找立委就對了！","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:42:56.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:42:59.933000+08:00","text":"對，美國就是這樣，國會議員去擔任大使的比比皆是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:00.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:01.553000+08:00","text":"這是未來的趨勢，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:02.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:05.575000+08:00","text":"不是，現在就是如此，不是說只有未來喔，過去也是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:06.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:09.197000+08:00","text":"好，那就先預祝王定宇很快要當大使了！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:09.197000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:12.119000+08:00","text":"……說了算，是嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:12.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:17.883000+08:00","text":"他的意思就是這樣嘛，說現在進行式都要找我們立委當大使，我是第一次聽到啦！","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:17.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:17.903000+08:00","text":"國會議員啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:17.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:18.444000+08:00","text":"美國的國會議員當大使的，算起來我想有幾百人了。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:18.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:33.852000+08:00","text":"好啦，我跟你說啦，林昶佐去擔任大使，給外界的感覺就是臺灣都沒人才了嗎？","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:35.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:43.434000+08:00","text":"我們的資深外交官，像現在坐在這裡的一堆外交官，心裡沒有叉叉叉我都不相信！","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:43.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:47.275000+08:00","text":"委員，您上次問的時候就有好幾個現在去當大使了，像駐印尼的……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:49.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:51.436000+08:00","text":"最左邊那個也很像當大使啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:51.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:52.176000+08:00","text":"他時間到了也會去當啦。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:52.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:52.316000+08:00","text":"他還沒有當啦，你看到他就在那裡啊！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:54.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:43:58.195000+08:00","text":"這裡面的都有資格，而且很多人其實都……內定的也不少啦！","quality":0.609},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:43:58.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:44:03.901000+08:00","text":"你說的很奇怪，你說那些人要當大使啊，又說立委要當大使，這整間都要當大使！","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:44:04.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:44:14.092000+08:00","text":"委員，我跟你講，比如希臘、愛爾蘭，以前都比較屬於非職業外交官，現在都由職業外交官去擔任大使耶，最近……","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:44:14.092000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-19T10:44:15.092000+08:00","text":"職業外交官？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:44:14.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:44:14.192000+08:00","text":"我們的……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:44:15.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:44:15.209000+08:00","text":"林昶佐不是職業外交官吧？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:44:15.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:44:15.530000+08:00","text":"我們的領務局長去希臘，我們的研設會主任去愛爾蘭耶！","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:44:15.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:44:15.750000+08:00","text":"我總結一句話就結束了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-05-19T10:44:15.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:44:39.329000+08:00","text":"你的意思就是說，未來做過立委的出任外交官的機會很大……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2025-05-19T10:44:39.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-19T10:44:42.011000+08:00","te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