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它已經放棄在地"},{"start":508.74,"end":518.488,"text":"所以這是台灣人的怕病你把財經的喪志氣都不談這些你有永遠記得嗎你說我們AI"},{"start":520.144,"end":542.947,"text":"邊緣的那個應用預算的時候我們要台灣加強我們要做到世界第三你現在是AI資金你是要拿來投資國外我們台灣沒有港幣錢也沒辦法借基金可以投資國外給別人利用你為什麼不把這些錢用來台灣的AI邊緣預算AI的基礎建設台灣最強"},{"start":544.27,"end":563.947,"text":"你捨盡求援,外國性格好壞,外國人就更有公義你應該把這個錢去爭取嘛你不可以搖頭,你變成實際的在座,變成一個政客了還欣賞你以為可以當政治家,來講實話"},{"start":566.397,"end":585.712,"text":"你跟你說你的政策脫離中國我們要進入美國不然你把脫離中國看看我不是那樣的現在說在那裏白痴又大大你仔細又看好喔說我在賣台我是要在台灣進我們要左右紅顏啦我們要丟在那裡看啦不可以這樣啦"},{"start":587.073,"end":588.234,"text":"我們這個地方是完全大家的看法是一樣"},{"start":608.897,"end":629.303,"text":"AI的邊緣運算我們這個經濟部在我們的技術師跟我們的產發署大力發現在在培育AI邊緣運算的人才我們預定在四年裡面培養20萬的人才有人才才有辦法把產業發展起來其他的都是空"},{"start":629.603,"end":648.436,"text":"我就是讀過你要培養AI邊緣運算,你要變成我們台灣在AI的軟體裡面變成第三強,不敢跟美國爭,客氣一點啦但是這個事情要在這裡發揮,那是公本沒有你阿伯你會落後,我跟你們說,那阿伯是變得很快"},{"start":650.491,"end":665.417,"text":"我不曉得中國大陸所做生意有編這個預算在這個境內好不好 我們真的你來跟台灣登馬步啦阿免說國王預算 不然我再跟你講幾句話大金未動 糧草新生"},{"start":667.118,"end":681.354,"text":"這個糧草你現在台灣是靠AI這個產業在賺錢的喔 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謝謝陳超"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:27:59.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:28:10.120000+08:00","text":"主席好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:28:11.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:28:13.783000+08:00","text":"首先請經濟部郭部長、國發會高副主委。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-05-22T10:28:14.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:28:14.404000+08:00","text":"請郭部長、高副主委。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-05-22T10:28:25.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:28:25.716000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:28:26.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:28:26.637000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:28:29.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:29:12.732000+08:00","text":"剛才聽到楊瓊瓔委員問你有關台電的問題，你說要我們相信專業，但是在立法院這幾年，我覺得台電本來是很專業，但是被政治所影響，電價本來是一直上漲，但你們維持不讓它上漲，為了表示執政有能力、執政很強，但事實上裡面暗藏了很多玄機，所以台電以前是讓人家非常相信的單位，但現在他們講的話人家不一定相信，我不知道你自己有沒有感受到，但你是企業界出身，應該很了解，政治有時候會說一些謊話，我們也聽不下去。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:29:15.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:29:45.984000+08:00","text":"第二點，談到中油跟阿拉斯加，上次我問過了，你說有意向書，但無風不起浪，要採購600萬噸，還有油管配備部分，我們要結合日本、韓國一起投資，你到美國不是談這個事情，你到美國是去談我們要如何投資美國，你帶了一百多家大企業去那邊，那是掏空臺灣，你還不承認，說我們沒有意向！","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:29:46.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:29:51.310000+08:00","text":"你人長得還滿英俊的，口才也不錯，但是你要講老實話，不要這樣「胡來胡去」啦！","quality":0.419},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:29:51.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:29:52.391000+08:00","text":"簡單回答一下，我不知道你聽得懂嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-05-22T10:29:59.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:30:22.914000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們帶了138家企業，包括48家新創企業是到美國參加比賽，這48家新創企業到美國投資美國，是看這些新創企業適不適合在世界的舞臺運作，謝謝你的關心，我們這48家裡面有3家獲得獎……","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:30:22.914000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-22T10:30:23.914000+08:00","text":"你的一舉一動我很清楚啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:30:23.914000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-22T10:30:24.914000+08:00","text":"我是問你那個問題到底會不會發生啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-05-22T10:30:22.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:30:24.435000+08:00","text":"我們在世界的比賽中，我們是第二名……好啦！","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:30:24.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:30:26.497000+08:00","text":"沒時間跟你說，主席又是執政黨的，等下站起來，我又頭痛了，這是第一點。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:30:26.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:31:37.483000+08:00","text":"今天我們要進行預算解凍，凍結變成解凍，但是部長，我手邊有一個資料，在委員會裡刪減的預算，經濟部本部才刪減100萬，產發署、國貿署、中小企業署、智慧局、地礦中心，刪減的預算是零；商業發展署、水利署、標檢局、園區管理局、能源署，刪減的預算也是零；凍結的部分，經濟部本部凍結32億2,120萬、產發署凍結3,100萬、智慧財產局凍結2,500萬、商業發展署凍結200萬、水利署凍結500萬、標準檢驗局凍結100萬、能源局凍結100萬，部長你看！","quality":0.675},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:31:44.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:31:54.904000+08:00","text":"執政黨的委員對你好是無庸置疑，他一定要支持你，我們在野黨的委員，這種預算哪裡是減列！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:31:56.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:32:04.089000+08:00","text":"你知道立法院的型態，主席也最了解，以前審查預算的時候，他們都很兇，到最後都改為凍結。","quality":0.432},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:32:08.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:32:11.033000+08:00","text":"我今天就問你，凍結跟刪減有什麼不同？","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-05-22T10:32:16.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:32:18.022000+08:00","text":"刪減就是直接把費用刪掉……好。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"郭部長智輝","start":"2025-05-22T10:32:18.022000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-05-22T10:32:19.403000+08:00","text":"凍結就是報告以後……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:32:19.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:32:21.846000+08:00","text":"凍結是大家對這個問題還不了解，所以先把預算凍結下來，你們再來報告，然後再討論。","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:32:21.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:32:24.188000+08:00","text":"我再教你一個絕招，書面報告就是要讓你通過，專案報告就比較困難。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:32:36.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:32:47.590000+08:00","text":"你們現在都在說假話，有行政首長在大罷免案裡面說得天大地大，真的是一片謊言，部長，為何我會這樣說？","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:32:47.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:33:04.106000+08:00","text":"我們覺得很無奈，你們的預算刪減，包括凍結是最少的，說的好像我們在野黨在欺負你們執政黨，其實是執政黨不要欺負在野黨就好！","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:33:04.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:33:16.210000+08:00","text":"我們做事情要實在、要有良心，現在大罷免案如火如荼，如果講到刪減預算，就是抗中保臺、害臺，沒那麼嚴重啦！","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05-22T10:33:17.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-05-22T10:33:19.811000+08:00","text":"大家都很善良，為臺灣這一塊土地。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員超明","start":"2025-05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