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復委了沒有就我的了解已經復委了那就等安排就等安排那因為這一筆是九月份要辦所以我們就先拿出來單獨先做處理就對了"},{"start":262.967,"end":289.182,"text":"那剩下的還要再排我看這個除了司法內政那當然我們財政嘛對不對三個委員會三個委員會再辦一次二倍金的這個預算對我看一下總統府他的預算其實蠻可憐的水電費這是這個應該是這個憲兵營他們用的然後呢行政院"},{"start":290.978,"end":319.284,"text":"這個需要六千六百多萬呢有很多的是這個給我們的這個地方的這個聯合服務的中心的業務嘛然後不當常常管理委員會五百零四萬這是跟人民權利回覆相關審查案件需要的那監察院就更多了七千九百多萬因為你們當初被砍得太慘了啦那我也希望說這一筆預算除了今天希望順利通過之外那我也希望說接下來"},{"start":320.416,"end":343.905,"text":"關於這個總統府行政院、監察院、不當當場管理委員會的這個預算、二倍金都能夠順利來通過了那我再請問一下,副主席長請回我請問一下代理秘書長我看你們的報告裡面,除了這個會議之外那還有一個會議是這個這要去哪裡啊?伊比利"},{"start":347.559,"end":371.189,"text":"我看一下今年要赴秘魯是不是啊伊比利美洲監察使聯盟年會有這個嗎這個是另外一個國際組織就是FIOFEAR我們去年是從觀察員的身份變成正式會員要去秘魯出席年會"},{"start":371.849,"end":391.429,"text":"可是目前這筆不在750萬裡面這個年會是這個伊比利美洲監察史聯盟這個是不是FEAR年會這是哪時候這是預計10月9號10月9號跟10號再密錄所以我們有答應要去了"},{"start":393.162,"end":406.788,"text":"要看有沒有經費人家有邀請我們去參加我們現在也是會員那所以本來也在這個業務費裡面是 2009年裡面我們有放進去是多少錢201萬5000元201萬5000元沒有這次一起提出來這次沒有應該一起提出來我相信在野黨不會反對才對啦"},{"start":421.109,"end":444.312,"text":"所以你們就包在你們下次要提的這個二倍鏡裡面就對了我是希望說不管是來台灣舉辦這個國際年會或是我們去參加這個年會其實都是用中華民國的名義出去那也是這一個讓全世界各國知道說中華民國台灣要走出去我也希望說這筆預算能夠順利的來通過"},{"start":445.313,"end":447.555,"text":"好 謝謝主席 謝謝戴琳秘書長好 謝謝昆禪 接著請陳益臻委員質詢謝謝主席 先請監察院"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T10:59:19+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-06-26T10:59:20+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T10:59:20+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-06-26T10:59:21+08:00","text":"我們先請監察院的代理秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-06-26T10:59:21+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-06-26T10:59:22+08:00","text":"請王代理秘書長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王代理秘書長增華","start":"2025-06-26T10:59:22+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-06-26T10:59:23+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T10:59:20.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T10:59:21.811000+08:00","text":"代理秘書長，請問一下，剛剛有問到今年度你們的預算是10.97億。10.97億。","quality":0.407},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T10:59:22.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T10:59:26.195000+08:00","text":"其中人事費是八億多，業務費是2億4,237萬，但是被刪掉96%左右，刪掉了2億3,181萬。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T10:59:26.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T10:59:44.250000+08:00","text":"這邊有一張表，這個應該是正確的。是。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T10:59:44.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:00:01.520000+08:00","text":"因為這是你們副院長召開記者會提出的表格，所以一般行政百分之百刪除了；議事業務100%刪除了；調查巡察業務100%刪除及財產申報凍結61%，請問一下，這有解凍了嗎？","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"王代理秘書長增華","start":"2025-06-26T11:00:01.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:00:01.921000+08:00","text":"有解凍。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:00:01.921000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-06-26T11:00:02.921000+08:00","text":"有解凍了。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:00:02.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:00:09.727000+08:00","text":"國家人權業務刪減了97%、營建工程凍32%，有解凍了嗎？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"王代理秘書長增華","start":"2025-06-26T11:00:09.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:00:11.148000+08:00","text":"已經解凍。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:00:11.148000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-06-26T11:00:12.148000+08:00","text":"解凍了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:00:11.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:00:14.330000+08:00","text":"所以我們今天要看的這個預算，就是在這1,856萬裡的議事業務，是不是？是。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:00:19.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:00:26.781000+08:00","text":"再請問一下，監察院除了這個要用二備金之外，還有沒有什麼其他的預算要用到二備金？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"王代理秘書長增華","start":"2025-06-26T11:00:28.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:00:39.733000+08:00","text":"因為監察院的相關預算被刪凍得很嚴重，為了維持監察院相關職權的運作，所以我們還有另外再申請動支第二預備金。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:00:40.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:00:44.056000+08:00","text":"有多少？7,900萬。7,900萬。是。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:00:44.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:00:48.923000+08:00","text":"好，請我們主計總處的副主計長。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳副主計長慧娟","start":"2025-06-26T11:00:48.923000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-06-26T11:00:59.831000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:00:59.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:01:09.954000+08:00","text":"請教一下副主計長，監察院除了今天這一筆750萬之外，要動到二備金，我看他們還有提出的需求是7,968萬。是。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:01:09.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:01:12.415000+08:00","text":"這個也要用到二備金，當然是有含這750萬嘛！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:01:13.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:01:25.399000+08:00","text":"我先請教一下這750萬，當初在野黨要刪除預算的時候，你有沒有去跟他們講這個750萬是今年要在臺北辦APOR的年會？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:01:27.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:01:31.874000+08:00","text":"我先問一下代理秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王代理秘書長增華","start":"2025-06-26T11:01:31.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:01:42.362000+08:00","text":"是，在司法及法制委員會審查的時候，其實我們都會儘量地說明，可是因為是全數保留出委員會，所以沒有審查。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:01:43.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:01:48.787000+08:00","text":"沒有審查就直接到了院會的時候，就直接被刪掉了。對。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:01:50.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:01:55.699000+08:00","text":"因為這是含在議事業務費裡，100%被刪除了嘛！是。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:01:58.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:01:58.961000+08:00","text":"1,856萬，對不對？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:01:58.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:02:04.343000+08:00","text":"所以你們當初也有跟在野黨委員講這750萬是今年要在臺北辦這個年會的？有。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:02:04.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:02:07.726000+08:00","text":"有，所以又繞了一大圈嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2025-06-26T11:02:08.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-06-26T11:02:14.31500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