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應該憲法法庭"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:45:45.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:45:49.588000+08:00","text":"請司法院副秘書長跟法務部部長，還有主計長。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-08-28T10:45:49.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:45:53.552000+08:00","text":"請司法院副秘書長、法務部鄭部長、陳主計長三位長官。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:45:53.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:45:54.353000+08:00","text":"也請總統府志偉副秘書長。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2025-08-28T10:45:54.353000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-08-28T10:45:55.353000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-08-28T10:45:54.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:45:54.994000+08:00","text":"請總統府何副秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:46:06.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:46:20.193000+08:00","text":"我們要為勞苦功高、冒著生命危險為我們捍衛安全的軍人跟警消人員討公道，因為他們被行政院霸凌了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:46:21.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:46:41.369000+08:00","text":"立法院通過幫軍人每個月加薪3萬塊，幫警消人員把退休所得替代率恢復到八成，結果立法院三讀通過了，行政院竟然一毛錢都不編，違法亂紀！","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:46:41.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:46:48.331000+08:00","text":"我在質詢卓榮泰的時候，他還一直硬拗，他說他已經提了暫時處分。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:46:49.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:46:57.858000+08:00","text":"結果我看昨天吳宗憲把法務部長罵得狗血淋頭，問他怎麼沒有去糾正卓榮泰呢？","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:47:00.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:47:06.260000+08:00","text":"黃國昌也發了臉書，他說卓榮泰是把自己當作大法官，還是上帝？","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:47:07.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:47:17.702000+08:00","text":"立法院三讀通過的，行政院歷年來都馬上就編了，卓榮泰是有史以來第一個，竟然說暫時處分等於按了暫停鍵，就可以不用了。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:47:18.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:47:19.862000+08:00","text":"他說你是大法官，還是上帝？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:47:20.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:47:21.522000+08:00","text":"最重要是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:47:21.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:47:21.742000+08:00","text":"憲法法庭有裁決了嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:47:26.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:47:28.708000+08:00","text":"有允許暫時停止嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:47:29.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:47:36.830000+08:00","text":"這樣的話，以後大家都不要繳稅了，罰單也不要繳了，只要到憲法法庭提出來就跟卓榮泰一樣，全部都停，這不是天下大亂了嗎？","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:47:37.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:47:41.071000+08:00","text":"我先請教司法院副秘書長……","quality":1},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2025-08-28T10:47:41.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:47:52.455000+08:00","text":"跟您報告一下，感謝大家的支持，但是我們在過去已經加薪很多次了，幅度也是最高的，這一次我想……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:47:53.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:47:58.659000+08:00","text":"我覺得加薪是好的，可是這是另外一件事情，這裡面牽扯兩個，第一個是立法院三讀通過的……","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2025-08-28T10:47:58.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:05.664000+08:00","text":"我們不斷地在加薪，我們對軍人的照顧是史上最多、最大的，從軍舍……","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:05.664000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:07.365000+08:00","text":"歷年來沒有一任行政院長……我的時間有限，好不好？","quality":0.05},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:07.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:15.070000+08:00","text":"陳水扁當了8年，蔡英文當了8年，歷任的總統、行政院長沒有像這一次的，以前包括老農津貼過了，都馬上就編，對不對？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:16.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:17.532000+08:00","text":"這是有史以來第一次。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:17.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:19.755000+08:00","text":"我請教司法院副秘書長……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:19.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:22.318000+08:00","text":"委員，你允許我1分鐘……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:22.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:23.960000+08:00","text":"時間暫停，你怎麼可以用我的時間？暫停！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:24.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:24.760000+08:00","text":"我只有4分鐘。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:24.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:24.921000+08:00","text":"請副秘。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:24.921000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:25.921000+08:00","text":"請司法院副秘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王副秘書長梅英","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:25.921000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:26.921000+08:00","text":"委員，早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:26.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:40.806000+08:00","text":"副秘，司法院憲法法庭、大法官有接受了行政院要求要暫時處分，你們已經裁定了嗎？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"王副秘書長梅英","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:41.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:43.027000+08:00","text":"目前還沒有裁定，沒有實體裁定。請回。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:43.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:44.527000+08:00","text":"沒有裁定，卓榮泰這麼大？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:44.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:44.667000+08:00","text":"他是上帝？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:44.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:48:44.908000+08:00","text":"他也不是大法官。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:48:44.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:49:00.020000+08:00","text":"他喊停，該加薪卻就是不給軍人，怎麼這麼離譜？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:49:00.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:49:01.781000+08:00","text":"我們還是一個法治的國家嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2025-08-28T10:49:01.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:49:06.342000+08:00","text":"我們過去已經加薪11.4%了。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:49:06.342000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-08-28T10:49:07.342000+08:00","text":"時間暫停，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:49:06.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:49:08.983000+08:00","text":"你一直在講不一樣的東西，請針對問題，好不好？是。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:49:09.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:49:18.586000+08:00","text":"加薪，我們都肯定，可是這個牽扯到法治社會、依法行政，現在行政院長做的已經是毀憲亂政了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:49:19.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:49:30.608000+08:00","text":"我剛剛跟你講，民進黨已經執政過16年，今年第17年了，以前沒有一個總統跟行政院長……包括老農津貼，立法院過了，甚至原住民禁伐補償，大家有沒有印象？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:49:31.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:49:33.730000+08:00","text":"過了以後不是就編了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:49:33.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:49:39.792000+08:00","text":"法案跟預算案不一樣，法案過了就是要編，結果現在行政院長說他提了暫時處分。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:49:40.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:49:43.474000+08:00","text":"剛剛司法院講得很清楚，裁定還沒有生效。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:49:43.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:49:46.275000+08:00","text":"我們看一下，暫時處分什麼時候會生效？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:49:47.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:02.782000+08:00","text":"依照憲法訴訟法第三十七條，暫時處分的裁判要從宣示或公告的那一天開始才發生效力，沒有發生效力你就是要依法行政，該給軍人加薪你要給啊！","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:03.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:05.404000+08:00","text":"要給警消人員的所得替代率你就要給啊！","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:05.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:06.584000+08:00","text":"你這是嚴重違法耶！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:07.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:08.325000+08:00","text":"換部長來，我問你一下……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"何副秘書長志偉","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:08.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:13.848000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這一次的預算刪除幅度是史上最高的一次……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:13.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:14.848000+08:00","text":"你等一下再講好不好？","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:14.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:15.848000+08:00","text":"請鄭部長回答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:14.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:19.171000+08:00","text":"你回去跟總統講，第一個違法亂政的是行政院長，總統再這樣下去，也跟著是違法亂政的總統。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:19.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:19.991000+08:00","text":"我想請法務部長，我問一句話就好。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:21.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:22.653000+08:00","text":"請法務部長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:24.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:41.725000+08:00","text":"依照刑法第一百二十五條第一項第三款，明知為有罪之人，而無故不使其受追訴或處罰者，現在卓榮泰是瀆職罪嘛，我現在當場告發……","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:41.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:41.865000+08:00","text":"時間到了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:42.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-08-28T10:50:49.390000+08:00","text":"我當場告發卓榮泰瀆職，如果法務部沒有辦，你是同罪喔！","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-08-28T10:50:49.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-0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