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你一定要給我們算好所以接近40億左右沒有啦 左右是左到右是左還是右啊40億往上往上 是你說的很不合理 錢的事情 親兄弟明算帳因為他有一些細算 除了人事經費還要算到一些部署案40億是你要補助完就對了補助台南市 所以看財化法完全沒有關係說得好喔"},{"start":527.574,"end":541.488,"text":"像現在我們財務的法 這裡要怎麼訂的錢這個40億是都沒有管的 不知道來的喔 對不對就是像前面的三個縣市一樣 那個是按照98年的要求請抱歉 你說的96%嘛 對不對 台南市的"},{"start":547.165,"end":557.834,"text":"到時候都一樣 因為這三個縣市收的時候新北市是92%所以差4% 我們給他5500萬 類似這樣台中市是96%感謝 本席幫你說明一下 台南市冬季時期不應該合併的情形 要用文化合併"},{"start":572.617,"end":590.624,"text":"是在兩個官司 台南市跟台南官司 災情最困難的時候來合併結果這大中間 民進黨公眾被侵染 已經執政高端了對台南的災情沒幫忙 現在一個財委發通過以後說 哇 這樣對台南市沒公平"},{"start":591.892,"end":616.85,"text":"假如一百六十三億我們有什麼不公平 好啦 你如果說這個學校要賺回來給台南市接受啦 編制啦本身希望你做一個精神 在一個月內 因為這是明年的事情一個月內 我希望你把這裡所有國立的高中這個學校的武聖名聲 跟二百台南市廖豪財政的幾位上來本身的辦公室 這樣我回答好嗎好 好 感謝你"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:43:19+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:43:21.151000+08:00","text":"主席，請部長。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-10-15T11:43:21.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:43:21.171000+08:00","text":"請鄭部長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2025-10-15T11:43:44.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:43:44.316000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:43:44.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:43:44.456000+08:00","text":"部長你好！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:43:44.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:43:45.256000+08:00","text":"請教你離開教職多久了？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2025-10-15T11:43:45.256000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:43:46.537000+08:00","text":"離開教授？","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:43:46.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:43:46.637000+08:00","text":"離開教職多久了？哦！","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2025-10-15T11:43:46.637000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:43:47.637000+08:00","text":"教職，離開教職將近1年5個月。","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:43:46.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:43:50.698000+08:00","text":"1年5個月，那你最早是哪一年在國小任教？","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2025-10-15T11:43:50.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:43:50.738000+08:00","text":"民國65年。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:43:50.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:43:52.798000+08:00","text":"民國65年，你對「班班有鮮奶」這個政策有何感想？","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2025-10-15T11:44:13.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:44:16.344000+08:00","text":"憑良心來講，讓孩子可以補充牛奶，這對他們的身體發展是有幫助的。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:44:17.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:44:19.586000+08:00","text":"那你知道為什麼最後這個政策後停止了？","quality":0.353},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2025-10-15T11:44:27.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:44:33.941000+08:00","text":"憑良心講，我要跟委員報告，我也覺得很可惜，因為這個政策在農業部……可惜！","quality":0.567},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2025-10-15T11:44:33.941000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:44:40.543000+08:00","text":"因為這個政策在農業部還沒有和教育部推動和合作時……可惜！","quality":0.16},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:44:40.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:44:41.103000+08:00","text":"那你要不要支持？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2025-10-15T11:44:41.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:44:43.564000+08:00","text":"我當時是支持的。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:44:43.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:44:44.364000+08:00","text":"其實有幾個縣市還繼續在做。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2025-10-15T11:44:44.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:44:44.904000+08:00","text":"目前已經有十……","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:44:44.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:44:46.224000+08:00","text":"這個政策停止之後，有很多老師都拍手叫好。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:44:46.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:44:58.986000+08:00","text":"我要請教你的是，今天有很多人跟你探討老師三天兩頭就被人家投訴，甚至當牛奶送到學校的時候，是老師去搬牛奶來給孩子們喝。","quality":0.593},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:45:01.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:45:05.569000+08:00","text":"為什麼這個政策停止之後老師會拍手叫好？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:45:05.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:45:23.470000+08:00","text":"他們的心聲很無奈，一分錢一分貨，我和政府簽約的時候，我的退休金是多少？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:45:23.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:45:31.378000+08:00","text":"結果我們政府把我的退休金砍得「零零落落」的，他說不然現在大家照吃照打，如果要我用心的教導孩子，我想你民國六十幾年來擔任教職時絕對不是這種環境。","quality":0.569},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:45:31.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:45:32.199000+08:00","text":"我讀書的時候，我們老師是怎樣？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:45:32.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:45:46.763000+08:00","text":"早自修時學生就坐在那邊讀書就好，地我替你掃，老師替學生掃地，為什麼？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:45:46.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:46:00.526000+08:00","text":"因為他覺得值得，因為栽培這些孩子有價值，我退休後有保障，結果一個退休政策，你把人家的退休金砍得不像樣，你還叫他要把孩子教育得很傑出。","quality":0.633},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:46:04.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:46:13.009000+08:00","text":"接下來，今天如果有一個孩子比較傑出，但10個學生裡面有一個不高興，他就投訴你，投訴後你們還要辦他，這已經造成惡性循環了。","quality":0.519},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:46:13.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:46:29.613000+08:00","text":"部長，我相信你從小學教到大學，你的感受應該比其他人還要更深，你今天擔任部長這個職位，要講一些真話，要有guts一點，說真的，要替這些人講話。","quality":0.581},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:46:30.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:46:44.711000+08:00","text":"當初你們砍人家的退休金時，我們的總預算是一兆七千多億元，因為那個時候我們以為經濟會變壞，所以你們這些老師就委屈一點，結果經過9年之後，我們的總預算、經濟都發展起來了，我們現在的總預算變成3兆元。","quality":0.368},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:46:45.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:46:49.892000+08:00","text":"這個議題你應該要多關心一點，本席今天就這樣告訴你，如果要逼你發表意見，和執政黨可能會不一樣，那也沒有意思。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:46:49.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:47:15.538000+08:00","text":"AI這個東西臺灣已經陷入撞牆期，我說給你聽，一個基本法都弄不出來，全世界的AI產業臺灣名列前茅，你知道嗎？","quality":0.729},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:47:15.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:47:26.562000+08:00","text":"我們的產業出口也好、產業製作也好，結果很多人都說AI會去搶到誰的生意、誰的工作、什麼人的工作？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:47:27.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:47:34.204000+08:00","text":"這就是你們教育的問題，包括你們的終生教育也好，一定要很重視這個AI。","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:47:34.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:47:37.885000+08:00","text":"為什麼我們臺灣使用AI的比例會落到20名之外？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:47:38.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:47:43.851000+08:00","text":"為什麼我們的產業製作是第一名、第二名，為什麼會落差這麼大？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:47:45.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:47:49.633000+08:00","text":"不從教育開始，包括孩子要玩一個……不要說玩啦！","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:47:50.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:48:05.542000+08:00","text":"就從平臺進去，進去平臺找尋他的智慧，把AI化做他的工具，提升個人的能力地位，這只是一念之差而已，你用恐慌的心態說如果AI出來，歐巴桑會沒有工作、洗碗的會沒有工作、端盤子的會沒有工作，大家都沒有工作，老師也沒有工作，是這樣嗎？","quality":0.54},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:48:05.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:48:05.642000+08:00","text":"不是這樣啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:48:14.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:48:25.491000+08:00","text":"所以教育要勇敢的踏出第一步，要大幅度的增加對AI的認知，要把AI當做工具，提升人類的智慧，將來我們還可以和這些機器人、電腦繼續競爭，這樣才對。","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:48:25.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:48:25.971000+08:00","text":"為什麼社會上會變成大家一談到AI就有兩面的意見？","quality":0.522},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:48:26.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:48:28.313000+08:00","text":"一個是正面、一個是負面，兩極化得這麼嚴重，為什麼？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2025-10-15T11:48:41.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:48:52.575000+08:00","text":"基本上，我認同委員的說法，就是說，科技快速的發展，我們不會因為這樣而沒有工作，我們要如何利用這個科技讓我們的……","quality":0.735},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:48:52.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:48:55.276000+08:00","text":"但是你們現在教育不足，很多人都變成這個樣子。有啦！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2025-10-15T11:48:55.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:49:14.825000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，現在小學已經全面的在上AI課程，包括老師，我也有跟他們說，一年只培養幾千個人是不夠的，老師的增能我們應該要數以萬計，要加快這個速度，也就是說，我們現在要做的目標跟委員所想的是一樣的。","quality":0.705},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:49:15.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:49:55.758000+08:00","text":"你要以身做則，我要說，你要帶領，你是教育界的領頭羊，你身體力行之後，所有的人就會以你為指標，這不是叫你要很厲害，但是你帶領這個風氣起來之後就會變得很普遍，包括總統、行政院長和檯面上的這些人，應該要把對AI的那個隱性的恐懼心理澈底排除，這樣很快就會跟我們的產業一樣，在使用AI跟領導AI的領域我們很快就跳入世界，因為我們有很好的條件，但是你們的採購比如對國防、交通、教育這些，我告訴你，都比別人貴很多，這點你們內部要檢討一下。","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2025-10-15T11:49:56.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:49:56.438000+08:00","text":"這點我們會來檢討。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:49:56.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:50:08.756000+08:00","text":"我請教你，有關財劃法，你們知不知道臺南市各國立高中職有幾間？","quality":0.407},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:50:08.756000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:50:09.756000+08:00","text":"應該有22間。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:50:09.756000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:50:10.756000+08:00","text":"請問在你手中這部分一年的預算有多少？","quality":0.176},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:50:09.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:50:11.878000+08:00","text":"你不知道沒關係，去查一下。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2025-10-15T11:50:11.878000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:50:13.259000+08:00","text":"一間學校大概1億元到3億元，如果是工科學校的話就比較高。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:50:13.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:50:13.700000+08:00","text":"你說多少？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2025-10-15T11:50:27.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:50:29.438000+08:00","text":"一間學校的預算是1億元到3億元，工科學校會接近3億元。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:50:44.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:50:52.136000+08:00","text":"財劃法已經通過了，行政院長準備要跟地方政府划拳，就是這些錢要怎麼分。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:50:52.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:50:55.540000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有規劃把這22間國立高中職推回給臺南市政府？","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:50:55.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:50:56.180000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:50:56.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:50:57.542000+08:00","text":"不可能沒有，你們內部都跟我說了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2025-10-15T11:51:05.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:51:07.101000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，是有的，最近正在進行這件事。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:51:08.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:51:21.812000+08:00","text":"臺南縣市合併的時候，正位列全臺灣財政最困難的第22名和第23名，兩個難兄難弟合併，那時候我就在「剉咧等」，賴總統身為第一任臺南市長的時候就翻臉，一間都不接，那時候我也支持，因為如果接受了，臺南市就要倒了，可是現在你們卻要丟給我們，難怪臺南市說這個財劃法不公平。","quality":0.637},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:51:22.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:51:35.912000+08:00","text":"你們丟下來的話要補助多少經費，你們算過嗎？","quality":0.421},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:51:35.912000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:51:36.912000+08:00","text":"既然說要丟下來，一定會把經費算好嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:51:36.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:51:36.672000+08:00","text":"難道沒有嗎？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2025-10-15T11:51:40.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:51:41.615000+08:00","text":"接近40億元左右。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:51:41.615000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:51:42.816000+08:00","text":"不是嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:51:42.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:51:45.917000+08:00","text":"左右到底是左還是右？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2025-10-15T11:51:46.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:51:47.618000+08:00","text":"40億元往上。往上？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:51:49.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:51:49.639000+08:00","text":"你講話真的很不乾脆耶！","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:51:50.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:51:53.201000+08:00","text":"錢的事情要親兄弟明算帳。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2025-10-15T11:51:53.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:51:59.804000+08:00","text":"因為還要有一些細算，除了人事經費，還要算到一些補助案。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:00.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:03.966000+08:00","text":"這40億元是給我們的補助就對了，是補助臺南市的，所以跟財劃法完全無關？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:03.966000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:07.255000+08:00","text":"要講好噢！","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:07.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:10.538000+08:00","text":"現在我們財劃法要怎麼分配都跟這40億元無關，是不在內的噢，是吧？","quality":0.407},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:14.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:19.307000+08:00","text":"就是像前面3個縣市一樣，那個是按照98年的要求……","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:19.307000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:20.307000+08:00","text":"新北市是百分之九十六嘛！","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:19.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:20.008000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:20.008000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:21.008000+08:00","text":"對，人事費的部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:20.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:20.328000+08:00","text":"臺南市呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:26.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:29.047000+08:00","text":"到時候都一樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:29.047000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:30.047000+08:00","text":"一樣是百分之九十六？","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:29.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:33.972000+08:00","text":"因為這3個縣市收的時候，新北市是百分之九十二，差百分之四，我們給他5,500萬元，類似這樣；臺中市是百分之九十六。","quality":0.609},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:33.972000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:34.972000+08:00","text":"對等補助就對了，是不是？是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:34.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:52:57.899000+08:00","text":"本席要跟你說明一下，臺南市當時是在不應該合併的情形下用文化合併，是在兩個縣市──臺南市跟臺南縣財政最困難的時候合併。","quality":0.764},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:52:58.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:53:12.653000+08:00","text":"這段期間，民進黨說重北輕南，可是已經執政9年了，對臺南的財政沒有幫忙，現在財劃法通過之後又說這樣對臺南市不公平，多163億元，哪有什麼不公平？","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:53:13.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-10-15T11:53:35.770000+08:00","text":"如果這些學校真的要丟給臺南市接收，本席希望要精算，因為這是明年的事情，我希望你們在一個月內把所有國立高中職的預算明細以及劃入臺南市之後的財政規劃送到本席辦公室，能做到嗎？好。","quality":0.58},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2025-10-15T11:53:35.790000+08:00","gu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