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有評估報告，但是我們還在評估那個報告……","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:16.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:19.285000+08:00","text":"但是你沒有辦法告訴我們評估報告的內容？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:19.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:23.829000+08:00","text":"對，因為我們還在針對評估報告內容裡面來確認是不是這樣子。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:24.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:25.670000+08:00","text":"所以你是不相信它的評估報告？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:26.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:28.594000+08:00","text":"我們當然要check，還有行政的流程。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:29.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:34.180000+08:00","text":"所以你現在在check，那多久才可以確認它的評估報告是詳實的？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:34.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:38.365000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我知道評估報告已經送到經濟部來，但是還沒簽到我這邊來。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:38.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:39.667000+08:00","text":"所以你也還沒看到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:40.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:40.688000+08:00","text":"對，還在行政流程當中。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:40.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:41.369000+08:00","text":"還沒有看到？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:41.369000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:42.369000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:42.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:53.518000+08:00","text":"上週王總經理在本委員會回應有關於核能延役的時候就有提到，目標是在2029年可以重啟核三。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:53.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:54.118000+08:00","text":"部長，您支持嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:54.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:55.619000+08:00","text":"我們這個評估報告出來，如果確認以後，他們就會啟動，啟動就會按照流程……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:25:55.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:25:56.340000+08:00","text":"所以你的意思是說，上個禮拜的發言是沒有經過確認的，是嗎？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:26:10.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:26:20.360000+08:00","text":"上個禮拜王總經理說目標是2029年可以重啟核三，然後有信心可以在2029年甚至進度超前。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:26:21.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:26:24.179000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，您後面那幾句我沒有說哦！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:26:24.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:26:24.800000+08:00","text":"這個是我說的啦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:26:24.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-05T09:26:27.521000+08:00","text":"這個越說越明確……","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:26:27.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:26:28.002000+08:00","text":"這個是我說的、這個是我說的。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:26:28.002000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-05T09:26:29.002000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，當時……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:26:28.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:26:31.804000+08:00","text":"我希望你們把這個當目標，一定要進度超前。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:26:32.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:26:43.893000+08:00","text":"當時賴委員在問整個時程，我是說這個都充滿了高度的不確定性，那他硬要我給一個日期，就是說這些不確定性都當作是可以確定的，之後的時間是多少……","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:26:43.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:26:50.438000+08:00","text":"那可以告訴我們委員會大概哪些是重啟核三或重啟核能的不確定性嗎？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:26:51.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:27:03.310000+08:00","text":"不確定性當然就是我們的再運轉計畫，就是接下來依法規做再運轉計畫及自主安全檢查的部分，檢查的結果到底有多少設備……","quality":0.635},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:27:04.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:27:05.953000+08:00","text":"你們不是已經檢查完了嗎？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:27:06.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:27:06.933000+08:00","text":"不是、不是、不是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:27:07.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:27:10.157000+08:00","text":"剛才部長說你們已經有重新盤點，然後報告……","quality":0.389},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:27:11.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:27:15.081000+08:00","text":"那個是現況而已。現況。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:27:15.081000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-05T09:27:16.081000+08:00","text":"現況、現況、現況。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:27:15.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:27:24.189000+08:00","text":"現況的部分做完，還要做真正的核子反應爐裡面的每一個組件，還有它的狀況，它是不是老化、是不是還能夠再撐20年。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:27:25.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:27:33.938000+08:00","text":"我們現在就是希望這些進度要加快、要加快，然後要能夠儘快地來重啟核能，為什麼呢？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:27:37.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:27:56.818000+08:00","text":"我們台電董事長曾文生在9月的時候也說過，10月初就會有現況盤點，然後會對外說明，但到目前為止也還沒有現況說明，你看連簽到部長桌上都還沒有，這個進度是不是有點慢？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:27:57.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:05.281000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，所有的工作都是同時在進行，絕對不會說因為一個簽辦然後就停下來。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:05.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:06.982000+08:00","text":"那為什麼還沒有辦法對外說明？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:07.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:10.182000+08:00","text":"說是10月初，現在已經11月初了。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:11.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:19.905000+08:00","text":"現在本席給你一個機會，可不可以告訴我們這3座核電廠目前盤點的結果情形如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:20.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:26.607000+08:00","text":"有哪幾座廠、有哪幾座反應爐評估後是可以到下一個階段？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:27.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:34.753000+08:00","text":"目前台電只是把3座核電廠目前的現況做初步的報告。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:34.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:36.836000+08:00","text":"是不是核三最有可能延役呢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:39.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:40.363000+08:00","text":"還是核二也有機會呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:41.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:44.165000+08:00","text":"這個部分要經過經濟部再看一下有沒有什麼問題……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:44.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:45.306000+08:00","text":"你現在不是已經盤點過了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:45.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:45.606000+08:00","text":"那是台電的觀點而已。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:46.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:47.667000+08:00","text":"你說是台電的觀點，我現在就問你，你是台電總經理，台電的觀點是什麼？","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:47.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:28:48.808000+08:00","text":"你覺得是核三比較有機會還是核二比較有機會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:28:57.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:29:01.777000+08:00","text":"我想這句話我先不要回答，以避免一些爭議，我想還是等經濟部……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:29:02.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:29:03.638000+08:00","text":"你在怕什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:29:03.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:29:08.541000+08:00","text":"這是一個國家的方向，為什麼本席會這麼關心核電延役的進度？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:29:09.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:29:11.102000+08:00","text":"因為不只是用電穩定，更是為了臺灣未來接軌國際產業著想。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:29:11.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:29:35.513000+08:00","text":"根據國際能源署預估，未來5年全球的資料中心用電量會增加1倍以上，甚至說如果專為AI算力設計的資料中心，用電量會多出整整4倍，如果我們臺灣沒有重啟核電，我們哪裡來的電力資源？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:29:35.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:29:36.034000+08:00","text":"那我們怎麼樣跟上國際的角度呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:29:42.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:29:44.600000+08:00","text":"這一點是部長要擔心的啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:29:44.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:29:51.572000+08:00","text":"所以我現在才問說，既然你都可以喊出2029了，那你有沒有信心可以再超前呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:29:52.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:29:59.749000+08:00","text":"台電在對於用電需求方面絕對都是超前在規劃跟部署，所以我們整個用電計畫……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:30:00.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:30:03.391000+08:00","text":"請問你的超前規劃跟部署是什麼？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:30:03.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:30:12.635000+08:00","text":"包括所有用電需求量的評估以及這麼多的用電需求量在成長之後，我們的電廠是不是要再增加興建，都有在評估、都有在做。","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:30:14.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:30:16.437000+08:00","text":"那你目前的評估是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:30:16.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:30:17.538000+08:00","text":"部長，你知道他的評估嗎？知道。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:30:19.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:30:24.496000+08:00","text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point。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:31:04.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:31:05.393000+08:00","text":"我們大家共同來……不是說你都不要講，我們就沒機會監督你們，這樣就不對了。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-05T09:31:05.393000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-05T09:31:06.393000+08:00","text":"不是，每一階段……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:31:05.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:31:07.376000+08:00","text":"這是我們共同的目標，不是好像我們要給你們找麻煩一樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-05T09:31:07.376000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-05T09:31:08.376000+08:00","text":"不會、不會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:31:07.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:31:30.091000+08:00","text":"而是你把目標訂定起來，你有什麼困難是大家要一起來幫你們克服，而不是說我現在沒有辦法告訴你我的目標，否則會惹麻煩，你覺得這種態度是正確的嗎？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-05T09:31:30.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:31:34.012000+08:00","text":"我們在每一個階段就會有check point，如果過的話……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:31:34.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:31:38.394000+08:00","text":"你說有check point，你可以告訴我們啊，現在就是給你們一個機會，好好的對全國人民說明一下，我們現在重啟核能的進程是什麼？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:31:44.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:31:46.710000+08:00","text":"現況是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-05T09:31:46.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:31:48.892000+08:00","text":"現況就是他們有送過來的，我們現在正在check當中。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:31:50.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:31:51.673000+08:00","text":"所以現況是一定有內容的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:31:52.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:31:56.796000+08:00","text":"但是您也還沒有看到，然後總經理說他不能說。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-05T09:31:56.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:32:00.838000+08:00","text":"對，我們儘快看那個內容可不可以confirm。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:32:00.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:32:03.900000+08:00","text":"總經理，你簡單說一下台電的立場就好了。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:32:05.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:32:17.847000+08:00","text":"因為台電跟經濟部對外說明的立場必須是一致的，不能是不一致，所以我們必須要內部再跟經濟部討論完之後，確定了我們才對外說明，以免國人覺得有矛盾。","quality":0.508},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:32:18.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:32:22.592000+08:00","text":"我之前也有問過，核二廠乾式貯存場的進度是怎麼樣呢？","quality":0.435},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:32:23.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:32:31.036000+08:00","text":"目前已經在施工中，就是核二室外的乾式貯存場正在施工中。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:32:31.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:32:32.938000+08:00","text":"那什麼時候可以完工呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:32:32.938000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-05T09:32:34.960000+08:00","text":"明年初就會完工。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:32:34.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:32:36.161000+08:00","text":"明年初就會完工？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:32:36.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:32:38.724000+08:00","text":"完工之後還要做測試。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:32:38.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:32:40.065000+08:00","text":"我知道，安全評估嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:32:41.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:32:44.609000+08:00","text":"這個對延役與否的決定會不會有所影響呢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王總經理耀庭","start":"2025-11-05T09:32:45.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:33:12.266000+08:00","text":"核二廠絕對有影響，因為核二廠燃料束還在反應爐裡面，我們必須要等室外乾貯做好，然後把用過的核廢料反應束放到室外乾貯之後，我們才能夠派人進去做檢查，所以會稍後一點。","quality":0.581},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:33:12.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:33:26.538000+08:00","text":"是，我最後呼籲一下部長，我們不能夠只講臺灣要成為AI島，卻沒有把背後的這些能源跟所有的電力支援說清楚，這等於是畫大餅，你知道嗎？","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:33:28.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:33:32.422000+08:00","text":"是你可以畫大餅，但你後面支援不上，那沒有意思嘛！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:33:32.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:33:32.723000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-05T09:33:33.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:33:33.904000+08:00","text":"加油、加油，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-05T09:33:33.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-05T09:33:33.924000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-05T09:33:34.424000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-05T09:33:38.424000+08:00","text":"接下來我們請邱議瑩委員做詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}