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對不對所以我們的製造業8.5萬多家那麼它幾乎佔了90%它的勞動力也在這裡啊我們要怎麼樣協助他們"},{"start":674.705,"end":697.305,"text":"我們要怎麼樣協助他們我們現在提出的方案你轉型我給你補助你再借款我給你利息對不對你現在這麼做可是可是部長我要跟你討論一個實際的問題不然看得到吃不得到啊我現在就已經沒有辦法貸款了我應該要先生存下來才是重點啊"},{"start":698.286,"end":726.978,"text":"是不是我應該先生存下來啊所以針對於我們為國家這麼重大努力建設貢獻的傳統產業你是不是去考慮將現有的他們所貸款的你的利息怎麼樣協助他們你讓他們可以怎麼樣先存生存下來對不對因為沒有生存下來你會嚴重到我們所有的勞工啊你的就業率又會"},{"start":730.314,"end":749.148,"text":"這個又會有一個麻煩的事情產生啊對不對 是的所以你去原意好不好讓我們傳統的中小企業尤其製造類別的它能夠先生存下來能夠先生存下來這才是重點嘛你把你的經濟方案給本席我們一起來討論好不好 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