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我是中研院資訊服務處陳林志處長我們針對院內AI的行政的提升我們分兩方面第一方面是環境的建置我們在今年還有明年我們目前編列的預算當中我們有特別編列了一些算力的擴充希望來支援我們院內行政AI化的這些各項服務大概多少錢 預算我們編列了將近兩億多兩億多那怎麼樣去確認這樣的一個能力有提升呢"},{"start":251.381,"end":272.87,"text":"第二部分的话,我们其实从去年开始,我们每一季都有系列式的,来跟全院的同仁来介绍一些AI的最新的工具发展,还有使用的技术。我们在我们院内的行政上,像是会议记录的宣读,还有会议记录的逐字稿,以及一些…"},{"start":273.57,"end":303.33,"text":"有没有一些数字量化的部分因为你要成两亿多预算投入方面可是必须要进行前我希望有一些量化的数据肯定出来这个部分或是实际的成果我们的这个逐字稿工具我们从今年上线以来到现在如果我印象没记错的话应该已经累积了两万多分钟因为我把它换算过来的话已经节省了几百小时的人力详细的数字可以事后再补充给委员"},{"start":303.59,"end":312.109,"text":"好 謝謝那當然我們希望市評估說立法院有沒有建立AI的系統生態這個事實上是一個非常好的我也知道說你們有包括這個在"},{"start":315.668,"end":341.93,"text":"行政總署這邊也提供了他們這樣的一個這樣的合作我希望這個能夠加強希望說之後的因為時間因素就是說這部分在我們本辦公室來做一下報告或是提供書面資料可以 謝謝另外我提到的是包括淨零碳排在預算治理的部分我們看到是中研院在淨零的部分有五支箭當然我們看到國科會跟經濟部也都有提到那今年的明年預算部分還多了13億的情況"},{"start":342.691,"end":359.401,"text":"他特別的是在有的在去探燃青跟升職探會這部分是非常重要是兩個中研院跟國科會有共同的部分那因此我們就想要問的是說有沒有一個科研的這樣的一個"},{"start":362.183,"end":374.256,"text":"計轉的就是說就是我們可以看到這邊是有跨部會的協作機制喔那這個跨部會的協作就是在右上角在那邊跨部會的協作機制是怎麼樣進行的有每年或在編預算或是在做分工嗎"},{"start":375.565,"end":394.765,"text":"我想在预算方面有稍微分工但是很多东西是需要衔接就像你这个棒球外野手跟中外野手跟这个防守区域会有重叠的部分所以我们是这样子的分工但是众议院是一个实际的研究单位"},{"start":395.585,"end":424.268,"text":"国科会跟经济部比较是这个发放经费当然他们下面有法人单位来做研究那我们这所有的全国各单位包括法人跟学界跟中文院都是经常在交流经常在共同研发所以这个是一个经常性的交流所以不需要有什么特别的一个机制就是这样就是一个非常例行性的活动在进行对我们任何时间都在交流"},{"start":424.428,"end":447.84,"text":"所以不會有重疊的部分嗎因為我們看到的是這些經費上面包括我們剛才看到的這些所以你們的協作機制是不是有把一個協作機制就是一個表類似的一個或是辦公室程序上面做出來我們在國會有一個近鄰推動辦公室的一個平台我是共同召集人所以透過這樣的機制"},{"start":449.241,"end":476.496,"text":"我們跟國客會有很密切的討論跟協調所以這方面確實是在進行的好 希望說這個部分的協調機制當中如果說院長你有參與的時候是不是把你大概這一年來的部分就是開了幾次會這樣的一個包括有些成果部分跟我們辦公室來做一個書面報告提供這樣的書面報告可以好 謝謝"},{"start":478.433,"end":480.465,"text":"另外我們繼續再看到還有一個的問題是在"},{"start":482.628,"end":511.182,"text":"量子基地這部分看到的是量子基地在預算中心的報告當中指數在113年之後量子設施的預算保留金額高達3億9千多萬元那這邊呢他最主要是因為無塵室主體的工程未完成那請您提供一下在114年之後量子科技基地的這個建置時程為什麼還因為這樣子的一個情況導致量子的這個基地沒辦法就是沒辦法如期完還延宕兩年"},{"start":513.594,"end":538.011,"text":"我們請業務單位回答委員好我是關鍵中心主任李超煌量子基地的建設主要的延宕是在它的無塵室建設因為這個無塵室跟一般的半導體用的無塵室是不一樣它是超導體用的無塵室所以在裡面的很多工項還有作業的方法會跟傳統的一般的半導體無塵室不太相同那麼國內的廠商對這方面經驗不太夠"},{"start":541.013,"end":547.83,"text":"那導致我們的施工單位跟建造單位常常有很多意見上的不同那今年可以完成嗎"},{"start":549.362,"end":571.15,"text":"今年剩下两个月事实上厂商已经报竣工了厂商已经在九月半报竣工但是你也知道这个竣工完了以后我们就要查验查验还会有一些要修改还要再补充所以目前都还在做这个最后的这个所以明年应该有机会把它完成明年应该是可以完成这也是中原非常重要的一个像算力这部分的一个影响"},{"start":572.724,"end":596.719,"text":"這個吳承士是製造量子位元的晶片我是說因為量子基地這部分的關係很重要那我們繼續再看到的是關於國際人才的發展我們看到的是在辦理國際研究生的學程這部分最新的你們的報告呈現出來是目前有622位學生在學"},{"start":598.672,"end":624.111,"text":"全體學生的人數六成是外籍人 外籍生那他多回去到國際知名的學術研究機構去進行教育或是研究工作那可是還有四成是本國人嘛 對不對是的那如果四成是本國人因為報告當中並沒有揭露到即使是外國學生那這個問題是本國人的他的留台比例或是就業去向你沒有揭露是不是再做一下說明"},{"start":625.632,"end":646.313,"text":"首先跟委员说明一下我们TIGP生产出来是博士很多博士生的下一步是到国外去做博士后特别是我们鼓励他说要有国际观所以他去国外进行博士后的研究"},{"start":647.114,"end":667.518,"text":"並不代表說他沒有留在台灣而且我們也不希望說這部分人就永遠被我們綁在台灣所以他只是他的訓練過程中的一環他必須要到國外去所以這個只是一個他整個訓練完成人才培育他這部分但是你的資料要呈現出來揭露才能讓我們立法院在審查預算的時候有所平均"},{"start":668.058,"end":688.192,"text":"因為這個流財也是不是說短期的事情那之後十年二十年他們會在哪裡貢獻這個很難在短期的數據上看出來所以請委員要了解這樣的事情好那如果是這樣的話就請你把它說清楚就是目前的中線規劃因為這個部分我們在預算的審查的時候就變得非常重要的一環"},{"start":688.872,"end":710.883,"text":"好,那在下面的部分,包括的是很快的就是在選送人文及科技精英的出國計畫當中,預算中心也提出來說博士生連續三年掛齡,大部分都是用於在短期的一個差旅部分,那這部分是不是有一個比較長期的,就是包括人才培育上面,是不是可以有長期的研修基金,甚至保留給持個博士生做長期研究?"},{"start":712.301,"end":736.13,"text":"報告委員 國際處說明其實這個連續三年掛零那個是疫情期間但是疫情之後其實我們已經都達到設定的目標了所以這一點我想應該請委員要放心我們現在的推進是已經有超過我們本來預期的目標所以明年我們會把這個基金的經費再往上修來支持更多的博士生可以有出國進修的機會"},{"start":736.75,"end":751.914,"text":"希望就是這個部分的資訊是因為現在沒有看到所以必須要再更新以後書面不出來呈現出來那最後的部分呢就是跟講出來就是說還有一個計轉的這個收益的回饋制度你看到呢計轉的從111年244件到113年156件那權利金的收入下降4成因為"},{"start":757.975,"end":772.847,"text":"有學歷經下降之後但是也包括建樹的下降是不是把這個計轉的收益的回饋制度是不是可以回饋到研究人員或是包括博士後的人員才能讓他的這個技術的人才留住更多有沒有這樣的考慮"},{"start":773.447,"end":789.022,"text":"是 包委員我是基短處處長邱文聰我們本來就有一個這樣的回饋的制度那這個對象不限於研究人員也包含這個博士後跟一般的已經有了本來就有了好 那因為在那你的報告當中應該是沒有呈現出來"},{"start":790.063,"end":815.343,"text":"好 我们会再跟委员补充这部分的资讯好 因为想说今天是最新的报告能够呈现出来那最重要的后来就是跟要强调的是说目前的研究的人才是非常重要的那中研院也扮演了这样子的一个很重要的功能所以希望把这样的一个科研人才的培育就是在最高阶的科研人才部分扮演好的角色好 那就各位辛苦了 谢谢好 谢谢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:34:21.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:34:24.730000+08:00","text":"有請廖院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-13T10:34:24.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:34:24.770000+08:00","text":"請廖院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2025-11-13T10:34:24.770000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-13T10:34:25.770000+08:00","text":"劉委員早。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:34:24.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:34:25.031000+08:00","text":"院長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:34:34.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:35:01.120000+08:00","text":"我們看到賴總統前幾天在頒發總統科學獎的時候，主動提到333諾貝爾計畫，剛才也有委員提到這個問題，你也說事前賴總統並沒有跟你詢問這件事情，我下面想要問的是，在臺灣橋梁計畫當中，有沒有以培育諾貝爾獎得主為目的的？","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2025-11-13T10:35:06.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:35:35.256000+08:00","text":"我們主要是希望全面提升臺灣的科研水準，倒不是針對要產生幾位超級巨星，我認為諾貝爾獎雖然可以提振全民、全國對科學研究的興趣跟支持，但更重要的是提振全臺灣整體的科研實力，這是更重要的。","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:35:35.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:35:40.346000+08:00","text":"好，這樣非常好，這是一個細水長流的長遠計畫。是的。","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:35:40.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:35:56.081000+08:00","text":"第二個問題想要請問的是，您剛才回答委員的部分有提到4項條件，那4項事實上是從科研的部分去講，可是這一部分的基層是在所謂的教育的狀況。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:35:56.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:36:14.891000+08:00","text":"針對基層的部分，我想請您補充意見，包括如果你也知道目前教育有教師荒跟STEM的師資有特別缺乏的情況，那您是不是可以針對基礎教育提供您的意見，對於延續到未來高教或是科技研究方面？","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2025-11-13T10:36:15.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:36:30.412000+08:00","text":"我想教育，特別是高教跟研究方面，我們有很多要改進的空間，教師的人數僅是其中一項，至於是不是最重要的，我也不敢講。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2025-11-13T10:36:31.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:36:40.338000+08:00","text":"應該是教學的方式，跟怎麼樣啟發學生、鼓勵學生，而不是教師人數的多少，我想這個……","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:36:41.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:36:45.602000+08:00","text":"對我剛才的……其實你可能重視的還是所謂科研的領域。對。","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:36:46.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:37:05.676000+08:00","text":"目前在教育領域上有關科學的、技術的、跟engineer的部分，還有包括數學部分的人才是非常地缺乏，因為教育環境整個不好，這部分希望廖院長也能注意到高教或是國民教育這部分。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:37:05.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:37:14.564000+08:00","text":"因為人才沒有經過二、三十年，三、四十年的培育，現在就不會有好的科研人才出現，這部分請你要留意。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:37:15.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:37:33.436000+08:00","text":"我們現在再講到第二個問題，包括中研院也有提到AI研究推廣的部分，剛剛有提到在AI很多研究人才的培育，可是現在在AI推動辦公室當中，也對智慧化的行政革新提供了這樣的一個方向。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:37:34.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:37:42.963000+08:00","text":"為了提升行政人員對AI工具的掌握能力，我一直想要詢問，在113年跟114年度，包括現在對115年的預算規劃大概要花多少預算？","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:37:48.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:37:53.752000+08:00","text":"如何去評估院內行政人員AI素養與技能提升？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2025-11-13T10:37:55.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:37:56.235000+08:00","text":"我請業務單位回答。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳處長伶志","start":"2025-11-13T10:37:58.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:38:02.465000+08:00","text":"委員好，我是中研院資訊服務處陳伶志處長。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳處長伶志","start":"2025-11-13T10:38:03.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:38:18.916000+08:00","text":"針對院內AI在行政上的提升，我們分兩方面，第一方面是環境的建置，我們針對今年還有明年，在目前編列的預算當中有特別編列一些算力的擴充，希望能支援院內行政AI化的各項服務。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:38:18.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:38:19.876000+08:00","text":"預算大概是多少錢？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳處長伶志","start":"2025-11-13T10:38:20.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:38:21.878000+08:00","text":"我們編列了將近兩億多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:38:23.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:38:26.621000+08:00","text":"要怎麼確認這樣的能力有提升呢？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳處長伶志","start":"2025-11-13T10:38:27.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:38:39.646000+08:00","text":"第二部分，其實從去年開始，我們每一季都有系列式地跟全院同仁介紹一些AI最新的工具發展，還有使用的技術。","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"陳處長伶志","start":"2025-11-13T10:38:40.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:38:48.850000+08:00","text":"在我們院內的行政上，像是會議紀錄的宣讀，還有會議紀錄的逐字稿，以及一些……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:38:49.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:38:51.992000+08:00","text":"有沒有一些數字，也就是量化的部分？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:38:52.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:39:01.298000+08:00","text":"因為你們要投入兩億多的預算，可是必須要有那個技能，我希望有一些量化的數據可顯示出這個部分，或是實際的成果……","quality":0.531},{"speaker":"陳處長伶志","start":"2025-11-13T10:39:02.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:39:19.150000+08:00","text":"有的，我們的逐字稿的工具自從今年上線以來到現在，如果我印象沒記錯的話，應該已經累積了兩萬多分鐘，因為我把它換算過來的話，已經節省了幾百小時的人力，至於詳細的數字事後可以再補充給委員。","quality":0.536},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:39:19.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:39:20.612000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:39:20.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:39:26.064000+08:00","text":"我們希望試評估立法院有沒有建立AI的系統生態，這個事實上是一個非常好的應用。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:39:26.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:39:42.638000+08:00","text":"我也知道包括你們也提供行政總處這樣的一個合作嘛，我希望這個能夠加強，因為時間的因素，希望之後能就這部分跟本辦公室來做一下報告，或是提供書面資料，可以嗎？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2025-11-13T10:39:43.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:39:43.979000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:39:43.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:39:57.930000+08:00","text":"另外，我要提到包括淨零碳排在預算治理的部分，我們看到中研院在淨零的部分有五支箭，當然我們看到國科會跟經濟部也都有提到，且明年的預算還有多出13億的情況。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:39:58.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:40:27.834000+08:00","text":"特別的是在「去碳燃氫」跟「生質碳匯」這部分是非常重要，也是兩個中研院跟國科會共同合作的部分，因此我們想要問的是，有沒有一個科研的、技轉的……我們可以看到這邊有跨部會的協作機制，這個跨部會的協作機制就是在右上角那邊，跨部會的協作機制是怎麼樣進行的？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:40:28.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:40:30.256000+08:00","text":"每年會再編預算或是再做分工嗎？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2025-11-13T10:40:31.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:41:10.820000+08:00","text":"我想在預算方面有稍微分工，但是很多東西是需要銜接的，就像棒球外野手、中外野手跟防守區會有重疊的部分，所以我們是這樣子在分工的，但是中研院是一個實際的研究單位，國科會跟經濟部比較是在發放經費，他們下面有法人單位在做研究，我們全國各單位，包括法人、學界跟中研院都是經常在交流、經常在共同研發……","quality":0.712},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:41:10.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:41:15.224000+08:00","text":"所以這是一個經常性的交流，不需要有什麼特別的機制？對。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:41:15.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:41:18.186000+08:00","text":"就是以比較例行性的活動在進行？","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2025-11-13T10:41:18.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:41:20.248000+08:00","text":"對，我們任何時間都在交流。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:41:20.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:41:21.829000+08:00","text":"不會有重疊的部分嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:41:21.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:41:33.055000+08:00","text":"因為我們看到在這些經費上面，包括我們剛才看到的這些，所以你們的協作機制就是一個表類似的一個……","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2025-11-13T10:41:33.055000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-13T10:41:34.055000+08:00","text":"我們有一個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:41:33.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:41:35.356000+08:00","text":"或是在分工程序上面做出來……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2025-11-13T10:41:35.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:41:54.306000+08:00","text":"我們跟國科會有一個淨零推動辦公室的平臺，我是共同召集人，我們會透過這樣的機制跟國科會有很密切的討論跟協調，所以這方面確實是在進行的。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:41:54.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:42:08.774000+08:00","text":"好，希望在這個部分的協調機制當中，如果院長有參與的話，是不是可以大概把你這一年來的部分，像是開了幾次會、有些什麼成果的部分提供我們辦公室一個書面報告？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2025-11-13T10:42:12.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:42:12.496000+08:00","text":"好，可以。謝謝。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:42:14.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:42:15.359000+08:00","text":"另外我們再繼續看。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:42:15.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:42:47.162000+08:00","text":"還有一個問題是在量子基地這部分，量子基地在預算中心的報告當中指出，113年量子設施的預算保留金額高達三億九千多萬元，這邊最主要的是因為無塵室主體工程未完成，所以再請您提供114年之後，量子科技基地的建置時程，為什麼會因為這樣子的一個情況導致量子基地沒辦法如期完成，還要延宕兩年？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"廖院長俊智","start":"2025-11-13T10:42:49.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:42:50.155000+08:00","text":"我請業務單位回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任超煌","start":"2025-11-13T10:42:51.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:42:53.737000+08:00","text":"委員好，我是關鍵中心主任李超煌。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李主任超煌","start":"2025-11-13T10:42:54.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:43:13.110000+08:00","text":"量子基地建設的延宕主要是在它的無塵室建設，因為這個無塵室跟一般半導體用的無塵室是不一樣的，它是超導體用的無塵室，所以裡面的很多工項還有作業的方法會跟傳統一般的半導體無塵室不太相同。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"李主任超煌","start":"2025-11-13T10:43:13.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:43:22.427000+08:00","text":"國內的廠商對這方面的經驗不太夠，導致我們的施工單位跟監造單位常常有很多意見上的不同……","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:43:23.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:43:23.830000+08:00","text":"今年可以完成嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker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8:00","text":"已經有了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱處長文聰","start":"2025-11-13T10:47:20.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:47:21.379000+08:00","text":"本來就有了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:47:21.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:47:25.022000+08:00","text":"好，但是你們的報告當中應該沒有呈現出來。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱處長文聰","start":"2025-11-13T10:47:26.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:47:28.565000+08:00","text":"好，我們會再跟委員補充這部分的資訊。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:47:29.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:47:31.828000+08:00","text":"好，因為我想說今天是最新的報告，希望能夠呈現出來。好。","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:47:32.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:47:49.162000+08:00","text":"最重要的是，我要強調，目前的研究人才是非常重要的，中研院也扮演了很重要的功能，所以希望在科研人才的培育、最高階科研人才的培育部分扮演好的角色。","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"劉委員書彬","start":"2025-11-13T10:47:50.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T10:47:50.483000+08:00","text":"各位辛苦了，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-13T10:47:50.983000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-13T10:47:54.983000+08:00","text":"謝謝劉書彬召委質詢，院長請回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（劉委員書彬）","start":"2025-11-13T10:47:55.283000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-13T10:47:57.568714+08:00","text":"請郭昱晴委員質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（劉委員書彬）","start":"2025-11-13T10:47:57.868714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-13T10:48:03.868714+08:00","text":"等一下張雅琳委員詢答結束之後，我們就休息5分鐘。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}