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283億元，本來就應該還稅於民嘛！","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:50:12.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:50:14.664000+08:00","text":"而且既然那麼多人登記，就表示大家也認為要領啊！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:50:15.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:50:21.831000+08:00","text":"可是我們就要問，為什麼之前卓院長說還要定一個不領的選項？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:50:21.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:50:28.477000+08:00","text":"那時候連民進黨人以及親綠媒體都炸鍋了，說根本是情勒、蠢也要有極限。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:50:29.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:50:31.220000+08:00","text":"我要跟大家討論一件事，大家看一下。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:50:37.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:50:42.158000+08:00","text":"我們要感謝，現在不是只有在野黨、藍跟白的努力，後來民進黨也一起支持了啦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:50:42.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:50:44.719000+08:00","text":"可是大家要問一個非常重要的問題。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:50:45.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:51:02.160000+08:00","text":"你看，現在連賴清德總統都下令所有黨公職幫忙發這1萬塊錢、連各立委都說要為普發1萬塊設立便民服務站，但看下一張，民進黨是不是有點神經錯亂、打臉自己？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:51:02.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:51:11.626000+08:00","text":"你看最右邊那一張，當初藍白極力推動普發現金、還稅於民，民進黨還上臺舉牌子，說什麼？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:51:11.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:51:19.011000+08:00","text":"普發現金會債留子孫，還說是違憲的，結果現在自己打自己的嘴巴。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:51:19.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:51:24.194000+08:00","text":"短短兩、三個月，連最近最紅的沈伯洋都說什麼？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:51:24.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:51:31.049000+08:00","text":"普發1萬塊是癱瘓臺灣的3招、掏空臺灣、還跟中共是同路人。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:51:32.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:51:32.810000+08:00","text":"可是現在怎麼了？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:51:32.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:51:39.912000+08:00","text":"賴清德總統跟卓院長變成掏空臺灣者、變成中共同路人了嗎？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:51:42.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:51:46.455000+08:00","text":"我要談一個比較專業的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:51:46.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:51:58.283000+08:00","text":"部長，依照公共債務法第十二條規定，當政府超收的時候，要做一件很重要的事情：還債，對不對？對。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:51:58.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:52:01.144000+08:00","text":"條文甚至明定至少要五到六趴。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-11-13T12:52:01.144000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-13T12:52:02.144000+08:00","text":"稅課收入的五到六趴。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:52:01.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:52:02.864000+08:00","text":"我要跟你討論一個重點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:52:02.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:52:05.045000+08:00","text":"卓院長講我們沒有錢可以還債，但看一下左邊，我幫他做了統計，這是黃耀輝教授的資料。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:52:05.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:52:06.786000+08:00","text":"我國在108年、109年都超收的狀況之下，還債相較於規定的五到六趴，應該還更多啊！","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:52:25.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:52:34.548000+08:00","text":"可是據我的統計跟黃教授的統計，過去七年超徵那麼多錢，還債比例仍只有5.4%，顯然偏低嘛！","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:52:34.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:52:36.509000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲：我想這樣跟委員報告","start":"2025-11-13T12:52:37.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:52:47.655000+08:00","text":"第一，在數字上，您剛剛提及我國在113年超出預算數五千多億，這是全國數，但中央是3,757億元。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲：我想這樣跟委員報告","start":"2025-11-13T12:52:47.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:52:51.713000+08:00","text":"這是數字上的不同，全國數包含地方政府的稅收。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲：我想這樣跟委員報告","start":"2025-11-13T12:52:52.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:53:03.539000+08:00","text":"另外，在還債部分，其實這幾年來我們積極還債，除了預算編列的我們還了之外，還增加還債，總共還了1兆733億元。對嘛！","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:53:03.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:53:04.540000+08:00","text":"這麼多年了，部長……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-11-13T12:53:04.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:53:07.221000+08:00","text":"我們還了那麼多錢，並不是沒有還債。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:53:07.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:53:07.862000+08:00","text":"但浪費了很多啦！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-11-13T12:53:07.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-13T12:53:13.205000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