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那鐘友請你回答你的這個第一艘國際LNG船的建造進度其實關係到你的FOB的第一張長約在哪裡目前我們新購的合約都會跟供應商提出我們要買FOB的要求"},{"start":234.574,"end":236.963,"text":"當然會不會達成FOB雙方的合約協議的話這需要雙方來去做協商"},{"start":242.645,"end":271.53,"text":"所以還是沒有進度目前沒有所以這個第一艘國際船就是遙遙無期部長您聽到了所以現在這個地緣政治的這麼樣的一個緊張情況之下而且之前也發生了其實就是因為這個台海緊張的關係我自己的LNG船我們訂的這個LNG船是根本它就不進來那這個國防部也預警我們現在其實國防的人員儲量其實"},{"start":272.19,"end":290.318,"text":"是應該到14天然後呢現在我們的天然氣也只能11天那你以經濟部的立場你也表達你會提升到14天我不曉得這樣的一個訊息你在一個國籍船沒有成行好那怎麼會配合你的政府有11天呢常常的這個台海這個"},{"start":291.539,"end":317.975,"text":"中國在那邊的軍艦在那邊繞來繞去你的人員的鍛煉的可能性是相當相當高的而且你的天然氣的佔比是50%還會再增加因為已經不用核能了你的這個再生能源的配比也不到20%所以火力發電更是不可能完全就靠天然氣百分百的進口所以我都不曉得你有沒有這種國安思維好再進來"},{"start":319.156,"end":344.787,"text":"好從三階的營運到七階的中樞國安工程是不容切割的那當然近期三階二期的工程你們的報告也很清楚了那當然確實你們也說明沒有這個暴增百億但也證實了工程預算高達253億元這也確實是重大的國安工程所以本席也呼應你們的主張但是我也希望這樣的爭議不應該由媒體來審判"},{"start":347.108,"end":376.071,"text":"那中油跟相關單位趕快的協同調查做到勿妄勿重那人員工程關係到國家安全連結是基礎不容模糊而在四階動工延後北部進氣受限的情況之下七階的重要性就已非地區的議題而是全國戰略的核心所以七階如果若能如期如此的完工每小時可供給1600噸等於全台穩定電力的最後防線"},{"start":377.112,"end":391.171,"text":"這七街就是在高雄啦所以我很在意這樣的一個進度它不是它是一個護國產業它是雖然第二座的接氣站是在高雄永安之外就是在大林埔這邊那這個"},{"start":393.053,"end":413.315,"text":"中油這邊我也很肯定董事長這邊你也很重視那也確實有相關的建制起身我希望是真的是如期如止他穩定的是全台的電力的最後防線所以也希望經濟部我能夠將希望你們將期間納入人員國安建設我提出來的叫做"},{"start":413.735,"end":435.987,"text":"人員國安建設專案每一項進度每一次檢測都應該以國安的規格來這個來看待那另外呢這個冷能到再利用從除氣到除冷的國家戰略冷能是液化電燃氣接收過程中產生的副產品弱子輸氣不回收等於把人員直接排進的大"},{"start":436.447,"end":459.663,"text":"在國際上日本的大阪東京橫濱等都已經講LNG冷能應用於食品加工冷電物流跟材料循環產業高雄七街就具備這樣的相同條件所以本席建議在七街周邊要規劃冷能產業帶結合南新與紅毛港腹地建構冷能物流"},{"start":460.384,"end":469.779,"text":"新材料循環經濟與海洋教育展示園區部長這邊的新材料循環園區講了很久了其實他就是"},{"start":471.7,"end":496.161,"text":"連紙上作業都沒有就是一個概念而已所以這邊我提點您您接任部長之後我也希望您能夠投入在七街周邊的規劃的人能產業帶那結合南興這個腹地不管南興一起雖然填海遭陸完成現在是荒蕪在那邊的雖然說不是你的議題也不是是港務公司的也是說市政府那也是"},{"start":496.721,"end":515.694,"text":"好但是呢這個在產業面當中我覺得您就要有既然冷鏈冷能產業帶這個東西是經濟部在產業當中應該去處理的所以在這個相關的腹地上我也希望你能夠做一些跟產業面的結合那但這不是光光建設而是冷能的負產轉化為產業韌帶是從儲計到儲能的國家戰略"},{"start":522.392,"end":550.108,"text":"升級好那下一頁不要切割問題要縫合戰略經濟部跟中友不要把國氣國運接收站的建設忍忍回收廉政調查分成各自的專案請經濟部經濟安全的思維將目前分散的專案整合為國家安全行動方案這是本席所提出來的經濟安全跟國家安全的行動方案"},{"start":550.808,"end":572.17,"text":"那美國的川普跟日本高市早苗都已經在現在就在落實他的經濟安全經濟安全的概念不管美國他在講到他的人員他一定講到他的供應穩定日本他在危機管理他也在講到什麼危機管理投資"},{"start":573.638,"end":589.906,"text":"所以這個經濟安全是要有國家安全的思維天然氣的接收不只是關心民生更是國家安全的課題所以我也希望部長今天面對國際情勢的緊張大家區域經濟當中大家的緊張性所以你的經濟當中的經濟韌性一個經濟安全的這樣的一個"},{"start":598.049,"end":617.435,"text":"國家安全的課題希望你在各個產業當中真的知道導入這會是新的一個思維要去注意的在地緣政治高壓下每一天的延遲都是人員安全多暴露了一天請行政院跟經濟部能夠將這些議題統合成國家人員安全行動方案"},{"start":618.395,"end":641.615,"text":"國家人員安全行動方案這三個整合在一塊第一個以國安架構推動國際國運與國籍船的計畫第二個以產業政策延伸人人利用與港灣再生第三以廉政機制確保三階四階七階的預算透明人員的安全不是開會的目的而是國家要命的問題"},{"start":643.156,"end":666.929,"text":"部長您針對國家人員安全行動方案本席把它整合為這三個議題您的看法如何謝委員我覺得是非常好的建議我們也會往這個方向來進行人員安全本來就是國家安全的最重要一環謝委員的提醒就是說現在接觸站我們已經把它列為國家關鍵基礎設施"},{"start":668.553,"end":684.953,"text":"那但是這個天然氣的運輸如果更強化它的韌性的話那我們盡量來處理FOB的問題那有關於冷能本來就是它是一個循環在利用重要的資源那我們會善加利用那廉政的機制是一定會做的以上"},{"start":685.373,"end":700.875,"text":"那部長您這邊的財市那這個中油這邊你就要加把勁你的FOB的如果第一的訂單沒有出來就不可能有國籍船那當然就是沒有國籍船你的國籍的船員更是本席更加期待的國籍的船長"},{"start":702.778,"end":721.673,"text":"這個船長的自己國際的船長才會配合我們的人員政策啊好那最後以戰略的決心補上台灣人員的缺口人員國安不是工程也不是商業行為他是一條從海上延伸到產業的生命線只要台灣少一天的國際船少一套人人系統"},{"start":722.333,"end":732.285,"text":"找一份廉政信任我們的人員安全就多一分風險所以在這邊我呼籲行政院也感謝經濟部部長您現在至少從你這邊已經這個重視到這個在國內當中的所謂的經濟安全"},{"start":738.792,"end":763.205,"text":"這件事情在今天的質詢當中你確認了這樣的思維也就是說你在各產業推動的當中你的經濟韌性 經濟安全今天在這個質詢當中也確定了這樣的一個方向所以在這邊也希望大家以戰略決心補上台灣人員的圈口高雄的未來不在海岸的盡頭而在人員安全的起點好 謝謝 謝謝主席 以上好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:18:25.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:18:28.897000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-19T09:18:28.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:18:29.258000+08:00","text":"我們請龔部長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-19T09:18:37.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:18:38.299000+08:00","text":"林委員早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:18:38.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:18:55.912000+08:00","text":"本席認為現在國氣國運這件議題，以經濟部跟中油目前的進度，本席表達不滿，沒有國氣國運就沒有能源國安，關於臺灣天然氣供應鏈的戰略缺口，今天來就教我們經濟部。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:19:09.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:19:14.272000+08:00","text":"沒有國氣國運就沒有能源國安，今天不談商業投資，而是談國家安全。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:19:14.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:19:31.802000+08:00","text":"臺灣的天然氣預計在5年後，2030年能源轉型配比高達50%，一旦任何一座的接收站延誤，任何一條運輸線的中斷，我國的電力、民生乃至國防，將在一天之內就陷入風險。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:19:31.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:20:08.506000+08:00","text":"目前行政院跟經濟部口中推動已久的國氣國運，沒有人、沒有船，你訓練的546位船員，真正登船實習的不到30人，留任的也只有18人，更關鍵的是，臺灣仍然沒有任何一艘國籍LNG運輸船，我直接講重點就是中油你根本還沒有開出FOB的訂單，當然就不可能有業者或者是國家，或者是陽明海運投入我們國籍船的LNG運輸船。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:20:09.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:20:22.255000+08:00","text":"在福建號成軍、南海緊張局勢升溫當下，沒有國籍船、沒有船員、沒有長約，也就意味著我國人員的安全每天都多暴露了一天。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:20:23.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:20:40.829000+08:00","text":"請部長你具體說明這三件事情，第一，國氣國運的落實時程；第二，第一艘國籍LNG船的建造進度；第三，交通部與中油是否已研議將LNG運輸納入國安航運的體系。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:20:41.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:20:41.930000+08:00","text":"請回答。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-19T09:20:44.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:20:56.041000+08:00","text":"基本上經濟部的態度是支持委員的提案，上禮拜我們國營司司長也找交通部做了一些討論，詳細狀況我是不是請司長跟委員做說明，好不好？","quality":0.552},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:20:56.041000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-19T09:20:59.041000+08:00","text":"好，司長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"胡司長文中","start":"2025-11-19T09:20:59.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:21:31.450000+08:00","text":"承蒙委員一直在關切這個事情，上個禮拜我有請交通部來討論，交通部之前有訂一個方案出來，這方案目前來看，關於要建造國籍的LNG，大概現在船公司因為沒有訂單也沒有太大的意願，所以剛剛開始規劃的時候，如果中油將來有了FOB的訂單以後，會規劃先用權宜輪大概運5到10年的時間，然後在這段期間如果訂單多了，才會去推動國籍LNG的建造。","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:21:32.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:21:33.011000+08:00","text":"那船員呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"胡司長文中","start":"2025-11-19T09:21:33.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:21:41.333000+08:00","text":"船員部分，因為現在看起來中油自己比較能夠掌控的大概就是4艘的船員。","quality":0.633},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:21:42.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:21:43.554000+08:00","text":"那是本來就有的。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"胡司長文中","start":"2025-11-19T09:21:45.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:21:56.597000+08:00","text":"對，上個禮拜也跟交通部在講我們會再協調中油，看是不是能夠把實習的名額加大，因為現在大概航港局已經有將近五百四十幾位的船員是受過訓，但是沒有實習的機會。","quality":0.743},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:21:57.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:22:00.438000+08:00","text":"留任的才18個，但是實習的不到30個。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"胡司長文中","start":"2025-11-19T09:22:00.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:22:01.839000+08:00","text":"是，可是因為我們現在自己能夠……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:22:02.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:22:12.541000+08:00","text":"中油請你回答，你的第一艘國籍LNG船的建造進度，其實關係到你的FOB的第一張長約在哪裡？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2025-11-19T09:22:12.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:22:21.943000+08:00","text":"目前我們新購的合約，都會跟供應商提出我們要買FOB的要求，當然會不會達成FOB雙方的合約協議，需要雙方來協商。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:22:27.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:22:29.125000+08:00","text":"所以還是沒有進度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"方董事長振仁","start":"2025-11-19T09:22:29.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:22:29.945000+08:00","text":"目前沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:22:31.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:22:35.166000+08:00","text":"所以第一艘國籍船就是遙遙無期，部長，您聽到了。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:22:37.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:23:13.598000+08:00","text":"現在地緣政治這麼樣的緊張情況之下，而且之前也發生了，因為台海緊張的關係，我們訂的LNG船根本就不進來，而且國防部也預警，現在國防部國防能源儲量其實應該到14天，但現在我們的天然氣也只能11天，以經濟部的立場，你也表達你會提升到14天，我不曉得這樣的訊息，在國籍船沒有成行，怎麼會配合政府有14天呢？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:23:13.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:23:42.735000+08:00","text":"中國軍艦常常在台海那邊繞來繞去，能源斷鏈的可能性是相當相當高的，而且天然氣占比是50%，還會再增加，因為已經不用核能了，你的再生能源的配比也不到20%，火力發電更是不可能，完全就靠天然氣百分百的進口，我都不曉得你有沒有這種國安思維？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:23:42.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:24:15.851000+08:00","text":"再來，從三接疑雲到七接的中樞，國安工程是不容切割的，當然關於近期三接二期的工程，你們的報告也很清楚了，確實你們也說明沒有暴增百億，但也證實了工程預算高達253億元，這確實是重大的國安工程，所以本席也呼應你們的主張，希望這樣的爭議不應該由媒體來審判，中油跟相關單位趕快協同調查，做到勿枉勿縱。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:24:17.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:24:41.071000+08:00","text":"能源工程關係到國家安全，廉潔是基礎，不容模糊，而在四接動工延後、北部進氣受限的情況之下，七接的重要性已非地區的議題，而是全國戰略的核心，所以七接如果能如期如質的完工，每小時可供給1,600噸，等於是全臺穩定電力的最後防線。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:24:42.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:25:27.500000+08:00","text":"這七接就是在高雄，所以我很在意進度，它是一個護國產業，雖然第二座的接氣站是在高雄，永安之外就是在大林蒲這邊，中油這邊我也很肯定，董事長也很重視，也確實有相關的建置期程，我希望真的是如期如質完工，因為它是穩定全臺電力的最後防線，所以也希望經濟部能夠將七接納入能源國安建設，我提出來的叫做能源國安建設專案，每一項進度、每一次檢測都應該以國安的規格來看待。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:25:31.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:26:10.332000+08:00","text":"從儲氣到儲能的國家戰略，冷能是液化天然氣接收過程中產生的副產品，若只輸氣不回收，等於把能源直接排進了大海，在國際上，日本的大阪、東京、橫濱等都已經將LNG冷能應用於食品加工、冷鏈物流跟材料循環產業，高雄七接就具備相同的條件，所以本席建議在七接周邊規劃冷能產業帶，結合南星與紅毛港腹地建構冷鏈物流、新材料循環經濟與海洋教育展示園區。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:26:10.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:26:56.852000+08:00","text":"部長，這邊的新材料循環園區講了很久了，它連紙上作業都沒有，就只是一個概念而已，所以我在此提點您，您接任部長之後，希望你能夠投入在七接周邊規劃冷能產業帶，結合南星這個腹地，南星一期雖然填海造陸已經完成，但是現在還是荒蕪在那邊，雖然說不是你的議題也不是，說是港務公司的、是市政府的那也是，既然冷能產業帶是經濟部在產業中要去處理的，所以我也希望你能夠把腹地跟產業面結合。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:26:57.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:27:07.912000+08:00","text":"但這不是觀光建設，而是能源副產轉化為產業韌性，是從儲氣到儲能的國家戰略升級。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:27:09.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:27:35.088000+08:00","text":"下一頁，不要切割問題，要縫合戰略，經濟部跟中油不要把國氣國運、接收站建設、冷能回收、廉政調查分成各自的專案，請經濟部以經濟安全的思維，將目前分散的專案整合為國家安全行動方案，這是本席所提出來的經濟安全跟國家安全的行動方案。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:27:36.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:28:02.380000+08:00","text":"美國的川普跟日本的高市早苗現在就已經在落實經濟安全概念，美國講它的能源一定講到供應穩定；日本也在講危機管理投資，所以這個經濟安全是要有國家安全思維的。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:28:02.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:28:30.431000+08:00","text":"天然氣的接收不只關係到民生，更是國家安全的課題，所以，我也希望部長今天面對國際情勢的緊張、區域經濟當中的緊張，關於經濟韌性、經濟安全這樣的國家安全課題，希望你真的要導入各個產業當中，這會是一個新的思維，要去注意的。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:28:30.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:28:42.415000+08:00","text":"在地緣政治高壓下，每一天的延遲都是能源安全多暴露了一天，請行政院跟經濟部能夠將這些議題統合成國家能源安全行動方案。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:28:43.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:29:02.952000+08:00","text":"國家能源安全行動方案將以下三個整合在一塊：第一、以國安架構推動國氣國運與國籍船計畫；第二、以產業政策延伸冷能利用與港灣再生；第三、以廉政機制確保三接、四接、七接的預算透明。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:29:03.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:29:06.615000+08:00","text":"能源安全不是開會的目的，而是國家要命的問題。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:29:08.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:29:16.841000+08:00","text":"部長，您針對國家能源安全行動方案，本席把它整合為這三個議題，您的看法如何？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-19T09:29:18.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:29:22.824000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，我覺得是非常好的建議，我們也會往這個方向來進行。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-19T09:29:24.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:29:49.933000+08:00","text":"能源安全本來就是國家安全最重要的一環，謝謝委員的提醒，現在我們已經把接收站列為國家的關鍵基礎設施，但是天然氣運輸的韌性如果能更強化的話，我們儘量來處理FOB的問題；有關於冷能，本來就是一個循環再利用的重要資源，我們會善加利用；廉政機制是一定會做的，以上。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:29:50.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:30:10.920000+08:00","text":"部長，有您的裁示，中油就要加把勁了，如果你的FOB訂單還沒有出來，就不可能有國籍船，本席更加期待的是國籍的船長，自己的國籍船長才會配合我們的能源政策啊！了解。","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:30:12.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:30:31.037000+08:00","text":"最後，以戰略決心補上臺灣能源的缺口，能源國安不是工程，也不是商業行為，它是一條從海上延伸到產業的生命線，只要臺灣少一天的國籍船、少一套冷能系統、少一份廉政信任，我們的能源安全就多一分風險。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:30:31.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:31:00.781000+08:00","text":"所以在這邊我呼籲行政院，也感謝經濟部部長，現在至少從你這邊已經開始重視國內的經濟安全這件事情，在今天的質詢當中你確認了這樣的思維，也就是對於各產業的推動過程，從今天這個質詢當中你也確定了經濟韌性、經濟安全這樣一個方向，所以在這邊也希望大家以戰略決心補上臺灣能源的缺口。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2025-11-19T09:31:01.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T09:31:06.965000+08:00","text":"高雄的未來不在海岸的盡頭，而在能源安全的起點，謝謝。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-19T09:31:07.465000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-19T09:31:10.893571+08:00","text":"接下來請邱議瑩委員做詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}