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未來中央的財政惡化淺藏的負債沒辦法支持未來也沒有能力用特別預算來補足天災應變的這些能力組長同意嗎是部長同意嗎沒有錯好 謝謝好 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uessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:34:39.153000+08:00","text":"我們往下看，現在我們有舊制的公教退休，有公務人員退撫，有勞保、國保及農保，除了後面3個社會保險由中央政府負最終責任之外，前面兩個退撫基金其實基本上要設法自己去填補，對不對？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-11-19T10:34:39.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-19T10:35:09.433000+08:00","text":"結果我們看一看，分別是50萬人、60萬人的舊制公教人員退休金、公務人員退撫基金，潛藏負債是三兆多、兩兆多，勞保的人口將近是他們的18倍，潛藏負債是十三兆多，國保及農保健康保險也都有潛藏負債，我們國家要為公教人員退休金、公務人員退撫基金、勞工保險、國民年金保險、農民健康保險，分別負擔六百多萬、四百多萬、一百多萬、20萬、13萬，未來的潛藏負債還有20兆啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-11-19T10:35:09.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:35:12.576000+08:00","text":"請問財政部部長，這20兆的潛藏負債，財政有沒有辦法支應？","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-11-19T10:35:12.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:35:17.519000+08:00","text":"這個部分確實是基於社會安全保險給付是未來的潛藏負債，但是……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-11-19T10:35:17.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:35:26.506000+08:00","text":"是的，那我現在問一下主計長，財劃法修正之後，地方拿走那麼多錢，中央有能力去負擔這20兆的潛藏負債嗎？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2025-11-19T10:35:27.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:35:27.987000+08:00","text":"這個是有困難的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-11-19T10:35:28.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:35:29.128000+08:00","text":"困難的嘛！是。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-11-19T10:35:30.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:35:32.090000+08:00","text":"現在在修的財劃法要再舉債560億……5,600億。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-11-19T10:35:32.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:35:32.730000+08:00","text":"對，5,600億，有沒有超過公債法的上限？有！","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-11-19T10:35:38.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:35:39.397000+08:00","text":"有沒有辦法執行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-11-19T10:35:40.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:35:42.879000+08:00","text":"政府能違法嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2025-11-19T10:35:42.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:35:48.264000+08:00","text":"是，所以這個部分如果沒有縮減、縮減要縮減哪些項目，這就是一個問題。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-11-19T10:35:48.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:36:01.054000+08:00","text":"所以我說我們現在在審特別預算，我們的特別預算恐怕在財劃法被惡修之後，中央政府再也沒有能力透過特別預算來支應這270億的天災補救了。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-11-19T10:36:04.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:36:21.276000+08:00","text":"所以在這裡要提醒行政院，院版的財劃法要堅持到底，不然的話，未來中央的財政惡化、潛藏負債沒辦法支持，也沒有能力用特別預算來補足天災、應變所需，主計長，同意嗎？是。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-11-19T10:36:21.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:36:21.636000+08:00","text":"部長，同意嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2025-11-19T10:36:21.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:36:22.877000+08:00","text":"是的，沒有錯。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-11-19T10:36:22.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:36:22.897000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-19T10:36:22.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-19T10:36:23.037000+08:00","text":"謝謝鍾佳濱委員。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-19T10:36:23.537000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-19T10:36:26.679857+08:00","text":"接下來請李彥秀委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}