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謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:33:07.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:33:07.182000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:33:07.182000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T09:33:09.184500+08:00","text":"楊瓊瓔發言，邀請國發會。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-20T09:33:09.184500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T09:33:11.187000+08:00","text":"請國發會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T09:33:11.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:33:11.187000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:33:18.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:33:18.334000+08:00","text":"主委早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:33:19.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:33:42.792000+08:00","text":"我們政府全力在推動AI之島，但是算力基礎設施背後的能源成本似乎被刻意淡化，據5月30日的媒體報導，國家高速網路與計算中心的三部超級電腦一年電費要多少？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:33:44.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:33:45.874000+08:00","text":"主委，你有注意到這個新聞嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T09:33:45.874000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T09:33:46.874000+08:00","text":"一年的電費？","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:33:46.874000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T09:33:47.874000+08:00","text":"對，你有注意到這個新聞嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T09:33:47.874000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T09:33:48.874000+08:00","text":"這個還沒有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:33:48.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:34:10.276000+08:00","text":"主委，你在推動AI之島，你是很重要的推手，你怎麼連媒體在5月30日所報導的這個訊息都不知道，那你怎麼樣去預估、去布建呢？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:34:10.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:35:27.433000+08:00","text":"本席告訴你，據媒體的報導，它說這三部超級電腦一年電費要破億元，再以台積電的用電來看，2023年是230億度，預估2030年要330億度，單一個企業幾乎要占據、消耗全國11%的電力，隨著企業大規模地導入AI的訓練跟運算需求，我們的國力、電力、綠電、水資源的缺口也正在擴大，甚至出現綠電被大廠買光，綁了、買光的壟斷現象，但是政府到現在沒有提出算力能源的評估標準，也沒有跨部會協調能源預算，所以導致這個面向，也就是產業盡力、努力去衝，但是能源不夠用，AI的戰力可能會從國家的戰略變成能源的黑洞。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:35:28.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:36:00.337000+08:00","text":"所以本席首先要請教，政府要全面推動整個算力作為國家級的基礎建設，那麼國發會現在面對這樣子的超級電腦、AI的訓練中心跟先進製程極速拉高電力需求的情況，對於整個能源的總量控管，你要做怎麼樣的預估、評估、布建？","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:36:01.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:36:01.498000+08:00","text":"請做說明。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T09:36:01.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:36:12.127000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實經濟部對於中長期的用電，已經有把這個部分納入考量，所以預估來講的話，未來10年的電力……","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:36:12.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:36:12.787000+08:00","text":"納入考量？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:36:12.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:36:24.237000+08:00","text":"你連我們國家最重要的國家高速網路與計算中心的這三部超級電腦一年要增加多少……你知道要增加多少嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T09:36:27.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:36:35.382000+08:00","text":"在經濟部的資料裡面，它有考慮，他們預估每一年大概會增加1.7%的用電成長，然後……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:36:35.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:36:49.786000+08:00","text":"本席告訴國發會主委，既然你的主責是要推動AI之島，你要怎麼樣提出明確的能源總量管控以及配套，你們會不會提出啊？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T09:36:50.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:36:52.636000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們會跟經濟部、國科會……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:36:52.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:36:53.997000+08:00","text":"你什麼時候要提出？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T09:36:54.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:36:55.277000+08:00","text":"我們會儘快。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:36:56.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:36:56.837000+08:00","text":"儘快是什麼時候？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:36:58.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:37:11.481000+08:00","text":"請告訴我們，因為產業一直在前面衝，但是它很害怕，到底電力夠不夠，還有算力、超級電腦的部分，請做說明，你們預估什麼時候會提出？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T09:37:12.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:37:14.141000+08:00","text":"這個部分我必須要跟經濟部及國科會……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:37:14.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:37:16.462000+08:00","text":"你說的很快是什麼時候？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:37:16.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:37:17.502000+08:00","text":"你告訴我一個時間點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T09:37:18.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:37:21.544000+08:00","text":"因為我要跟經濟部這邊去……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:37:21.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:37:26.067000+08:00","text":"所以你所謂的很快是隨便答一答，你沒有時間點嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:37:26.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:37:26.787000+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T09:37:27.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:37:27.648000+08:00","text":"不會、不會、不會……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:37:27.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:37:28.968000+08:00","text":"不會是什麼？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T09:37:28.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:37:31.510000+08:00","text":"時間點我也沒有辦法很明確地給委員，因為我必須要跟經濟部這邊……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:37:31.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:37:31.970000+08:00","text":"你還沒有辦法給本席嘛，你也沒有明確的時間點嘛。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:37:32.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:37:32.210000+08:00","text":"那我們請經濟部長，兩位一起。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:37:46.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:38:17.461000+08:00","text":"部長，前一段時間，本席跟中研院廖院長討論過電要從哪裡來，而且我們看到2030年是2,800億度，2050年是5,000億度，而且廖院長說還不只，2050年大概是6,000億度，但是他認為這個數字是沒有加入剛剛本席跟國發會主委在討論的算力以及超級電腦的部分，是沒有喔。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:38:18.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:07.103000+08:00","text":"所以本席也請問了廖院長支不支持核二、核三重啟的立場，他是支持的，他明確地說支持，而且他說臺灣不只有臺灣的技術，還有國際的技術，我們是有能力的，這是廖院長在教育及文化委員會的時候回答本席的議題，因為我們知道加入了算力、加入了超級電腦，我們的電力需求勢必跟原先的規劃是不一樣的，它是增加的，為了不讓我們的產業在前面衝時怕能源、電力不夠，所以本席來請教部長，有關重啟核二、核三，您的立場如何？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:09.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:11.088000+08:00","text":"報告委員，行政部門是依法行政，現在因為……","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:11.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:12.489000+08:00","text":"您的立場呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:13.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:16.370000+08:00","text":"核管法已經修了嘛，我們依法就按照這個來執行。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:17.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:21.892000+08:00","text":"對，而且送到你這邊了，送到行政院了，核下來了沒有？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:22.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:26.274000+08:00","text":"他說這個禮拜要核，上次你答復本席的啊，對不對？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:26.274000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:27.274000+08:00","text":"沒有，那時候是講12月初。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:26.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:31.477000+08:00","text":"台電送給你們，你們要給行政院嘛，你上個禮拜告訴本席說這個禮拜行政院要簽准或不准，簽了嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:31.477000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:32.477000+08:00","text":"不是、不是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:31.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:31.657000+08:00","text":"今天禮拜四耶！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:31.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:31.797000+08:00","text":"簽了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:31.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:31.997000+08:00","text":"我那時候講12月初啦。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:44.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:45.184000+08:00","text":"你說下個禮拜，怎麼可能12月初啦，倒帶！","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:45.184000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:46.184000+08:00","text":"沒有，那時候講12月初。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:45.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:45.504000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:45.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:45.584000+08:00","text":"為什麼會這樣子呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:45.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:47.166000+08:00","text":"在這邊都有錄音、錄影，我們希望好好地給你們力量去協助民眾發展我們的產業。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:47.166000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:48.166000+08:00","text":"好，我們儘快、我們儘快，12月初……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:47.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:39:48.408000+08:00","text":"又來了一個儘快！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:39:48.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T09:40:08.828000+08:00","text":"剛剛國發會主委告訴我儘快，我問了，最後他說他沒有辦法告訴我時間，現在你又來一個儘快！","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T09:40:08.828000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T09:40:10.028000+08:00","text":"我說12月初。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2025-11-20T09:40:10.028000+08:00","guessed":fa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