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你目標一千人不可能說一個都沒有啊一個都沒有原因到底是是因為我們這個工項的計畫經費有被刪減不過我們還是有在天然台灣這邊對於產業的一個需求我們有提供相關的服務如果他們需要人才我們會協助來延攬"},{"start":469.144,"end":497.328,"text":"好另外這個比較中小微企業要怎麼樣做這個數位轉型我這個一定要提供足夠的誘因那補助當然政府要協助補助那這個目前預算編列21是編列在中企署是編列在三發署是中企署還是三發署好請我們有個別的個別的經費三發署也有這個中企署也有"},{"start":498.158,"end":522.747,"text":"我大概統計了一下 整體的經費大概是20億是不是20億 是總和那目標是2萬家 那當然受理的狀況不錯大概有1萬7千多家那明年呢 明年這個計畫是不是會再持續下去會持續 會持續 事實上我們也利用了那個特別預算的部分 事實上也會有加碼"},{"start":524.079,"end":550.342,"text":"你看到這個傳統產業或中小型企業這個數位的轉型跟AI的這個人才培育很重要你看這個股票市場到三萬 將近三萬點那一半的指數都是這個AI跟半導體貢獻的那個傳產包括石化鋼鐵 扣件等等這個都比過去一萬二的時候這個股價還要更低"},{"start":551.919,"end":565.069,"text":"所以比方說你這個產業發展是失衡的所以如果萬一發生有人說的什麼AI泡沫化或半導體需求這個過硬太多造成我們競爭力這樣沒有關係了我很快"},{"start":571.306,"end":597.481,"text":"這個怎麼樣把這個中小微企業跟這個傳統產業的AI跟這個數位轉型能夠做好這很重要否則他們因為停滯在過去的那種競爭力根本沒有辦法提升嘛是 這就是我們政策推動的最主要的主軸我看不出有那個強力的資源跟協助或者預算的協助有啦 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科技部执行我们是会执行落实的一定要重视这个问题是谢谢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:37:07.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:37:11.605000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，是不是請國發會葉主委、經濟部龔部長、國科會蘇副主委？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-20T10:37:12.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:37:12.425000+08:00","text":"好，請三位備詢，謝謝。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:37:12.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:37:40.126000+08:00","text":"其實我相對不是很溫和，但是我很堅定，有毅力且鍥而不捨的，我想請教三位，關於台積電的2奈米事件，如何避免類似的狀況再度發生，有沒有做過討論？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:37:40.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:37:42.448000+08:00","text":"請問部長、主委及副主委，你們有沒有做過相關的討論？部長。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T10:37:49.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:37:56.367000+08:00","text":"因為法的位階我們已經提高了嘛，原來是營業秘密法，現在提高到國安法嘛，這樣當然會比較具有遏阻的效果。","quality":0.711},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:37:56.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:38:01.589000+08:00","text":"這個事件的發生，當然對於我們的先進製程會有很大的衝擊，影響評估你們也要去了解一下。會。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:38:02.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:38:03.350000+08:00","text":"先進製程的部分。對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:38:05.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:38:07.953000+08:00","text":"如何避免類似的狀況再發生，一定要跨部會。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:38:09.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:38:12.416000+08:00","text":"葉主委，我看你是微笑以對，請葉主委說明一下。","quality":0.368},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:38:12.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:38:34.094000+08:00","text":"沒有啦，因為就看了一下資料，其實第一個跟委員報告，關於跑去Intel的那個部分，我有朋友在台積電工作，他說其實台積電內部對於退休的人員，其實在他退的一、兩年前，就會把他調到一個不會去接觸到很機密的……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:38:34.094000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T10:38:35.094000+08:00","text":"所以影響不大？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:38:35.094000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T10:38:36.094000+08:00","text":"影響不大。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:38:35.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:38:37.401000+08:00","text":"你也是台積電的董事嘛。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:38:37.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:38:43.857000+08:00","text":"是，所以其實他在一年多前就已經被調到不會接觸到很核心機密的部門。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:38:43.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:38:44.157000+08:00","text":"不是內控的問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:38:45.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:38:46.112000+08:00","text":"是個人的問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:38:46.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:38:50.715000+08:00","text":"不是內控的問題，是他個人的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:38:50.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:39:05.287000+08:00","text":"對，基本他是不是有去做copy，這件事情就是讓台積電或者檢調自己去查，對於我們的技術是否外洩的這一塊，我想大家應該對台積電還滿有信心的，不會因為一個人就影響到台積電。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:39:05.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:39:10.011000+08:00","text":"所以經過你們的了解，對於先進製程的衝擊應該沒有那麼大？對。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:39:10.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:39:41.420000+08:00","text":"好，關於1.4奈米的部分，因為我長期都希望它能夠設在高雄，高雄有兩個點，楠梓產業園區跟白埔產業園區，我當然是希望能夠分散，因為這兩個地方其實距離不遠，白埔的交通更方便，有五個廠已經在楠梓產業園區，希望再有一個廠在白埔產業園區，我想包括龔部長，包括葉主委，包括蘇副主委，你們對這個事情的了解，目前的可能性如何？","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:39:41.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:39:43.440000+08:00","text":"各位有沒有跟台積電提出建議？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:39:45.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:39:51.282000+08:00","text":"因為我都詢問過，也請教過你們三位，你們說：好，我們會跟台積電建議，到底有沒有建議呢？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:39:52.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:39:53.423000+08:00","text":"未來可能性如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:39:54.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:39:58.386000+08:00","text":"我們是還沒有放棄，我們還會繼續爭取，有沒有這個可能性？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:39:58.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:40:09.992000+08:00","text":"第一個，如果要設在白埔那邊的話，那個震動可能會有一些問題，就是它土壤的部分好像比較鬆軟一些，這個部分可能要請廠商自行去做一些評估。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:40:10.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:40:11.873000+08:00","text":"那個是誰做出的調查？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:40:14.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:40:15.796000+08:00","text":"是國科會嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蘇副主任委員振綱","start":"2025-11-20T10:40:16.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:40:31.654000+08:00","text":"我想廠商對於所有、每一塊基地是不是適合它所有廠房跟機械設備的承載，它會去做適當的評估，這個部分，其實白埔一直有跟這個相關需求的廠商來做建議，看能不能納入評估，確實也在評估。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:40:31.654000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T10:40:32.721667+08:00","text":"所以還沒有定案？","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:40:32.721667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T10:40:33.789333+08:00","text":"1.4奈米還沒有定案？","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇副主任委員振綱","start":"2025-11-20T10:40:33.789333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T10:40:34.857000+08:00","text":"也在評估。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:40:34.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:40:37.538000+08:00","text":"所以白埔是評估的場址之一？是。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:40:37.538000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T10:40:44.451500+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:40:44.451500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T10:40:51.365000+08:00","text":"繼續討論AI人才培育的議題，根據國發會的預估，2028年有35萬，對不對？","quality":0.296},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:40:51.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:41:06.718000+08:00","text":"但我看經濟部的報告是說已經培養了10萬個人才，人才包括研究，包括開發，也包括應用人才，所以這個缺口你確定可以在2028年把它補足嗎？","quality":0.782},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:41:06.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:41:11.855000+08:00","text":"而且這個人才35萬會不會太少了一點？主委。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:41:13.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:41:23.738000+08:00","text":"我們其實預估2040年是50萬啦，2028年的缺口是35萬，35萬其實有分兩個部分，一個是智慧應用的部分，另外一個就是關鍵技術。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:41:24.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:41:46.406000+08:00","text":"根據數發部的調查，以下面那一個數位基磐部分來講的話，每一年的需求大概是3,000到4,000左右，所以整個加起來的話，在智慧應用這個部分，我們粗略預估大概需要15萬，至於中間的關鍵技術那一塊，也是大概15萬左右。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:41:47.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:42:05.505000+08:00","text":"各單位包括國發會，包括經濟部，包括國科會，包括數發部，各單位都提出人才培育的相關政策，但要整合的應該是國發會，而且整合出來之後，對於各部會在執行的狀況，你要有一定的管考。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:42:05.505000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T10:42:06.666000+08:00","text":"有、有、有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:42:06.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:42:12.734000+08:00","text":"包括會不會出現企業界的需求跟你培養出的人才沒有辦法match，這也是一個問題。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:42:14.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:42:21.932000+08:00","text":"這個我們都有持續的在做管考，同時我們也會依照數發部給予的AI人才指南……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:42:22.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:42:25.576000+08:00","text":"數字是很漂亮，但是不是符合產業界的需求，特別是中小微企業。","quality":0.577},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:42:25.576000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T10:42:31.261000+08:00","text":"對，這個部分我們也會跟公協會討論。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:42:31.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:43:07.860000+08:00","text":"另外，關於高階AI人才招募的問題，在國發會的報告裡面有提到未來三年重點人才調查跟推估，還有數位經濟的服務與產業報告，光是這些政府相關的AI發展，人力已經很吃緊，那你未來的高階AI人才怎麼樣與產業界的核心需求能夠對應，國發會能不能更具體說明一下？","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:43:08.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:43:27.098000+08:00","text":"就這個部分來講我們分兩塊，包括國內跟國外，國內這一塊，我們會希望利用教育部的系統，尤其我們希望大學這一塊的話，能夠提供一些譬如AI跨域人才的部分。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:43:27.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:43:36.543000+08:00","text":"在國外攬才部分，其實我們也跟很多部會在協作，像教育部，教育部本身就有一個……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:43:36.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:43:44.967000+08:00","text":"您提到國外攬才，我就繼續問你這個，延攬外國專業人才、6,000人，當然今年是達到5,700。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:43:47.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:43:49.049000+08:00","text":"另外，這個對接計畫，你們要有1,000人的目標，結果一個都沒有。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:43:56.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:44:02.831000+08:00","text":"對接計畫這個部分，我們113年有跟部分國外的專業人士聘僱許可……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:44:04.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:44:05.533000+08:00","text":"這部分一個都沒有，掛零耶！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:44:08.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:44:14.859000+08:00","text":"「協助國際人才對接我國產業及實習計畫1,000人次」的目標，國際人才沒有辦法進來，你看是零耶！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T10:44:15.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:44:19.182000+08:00","text":"我們這部分還是有提供相關的一些服務。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:44:19.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:44:19.722000+08:00","text":"那為什麼會掛零？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:44:21.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:44:26.594000+08:00","text":"你看，你的目標是1,000人，不可能一個都沒有啊！","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:44:27.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:44:28.535000+08:00","text":"一個都沒有的原因到底是什麼？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"謝處長佳宜","start":"2025-11-20T10:44:28.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:44:45.144000+08:00","text":"是因為我們這個工項的計畫經費有被刪減，不過我們還是有在Talent Taiwan這邊，對於產業的需求我們有提供相關服務，如果他們需要人才，我們會協助延攬。好。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:44:45.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:45:03.940000+08:00","text":"另外，比較中小微的企業要怎麼樣做數位轉型，這個一定要提供足夠的誘因，當然政府要協助補助，目前預算20億是編列在中企署還是商發署？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T10:45:07.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:45:13.308000+08:00","text":"我們有個別的經費，商發署也有，中企署也有。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:45:14.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:45:19.680000+08:00","text":"我統計了一下，整體經費大概是20億，是不是20億？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T10:45:19.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:45:20.040000+08:00","text":"那是總和。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:45:20.040000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T10:45:22.241000+08:00","text":"總和20億。對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:45:22.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:45:26.843000+08:00","text":"目標是2萬家，當然受理的狀況不錯，大概有一萬七千多家。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:45:29.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:45:32.084000+08:00","text":"明年這個計畫是不是會再持續下去？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T10:45:32.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:45:38.747000+08:00","text":"會持續，事實上我們也利用了特別預算的部分，也會有加碼。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:45:42.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:46:10.081000+08:00","text":"傳統產業或中小型企業的數位轉型跟AI人才培育很重要，你看整個股票市場將近到三萬點，一半的指數都是AI跟半導體貢獻的，傳產包括石化、鋼鐵、扣件等等，這個都比過去一萬二的時候的股價還要更低，表示產業發展是失衡的。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:46:12.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:46:35.471000+08:00","text":"萬一發生了有人說的什麼AI泡沫化，或者就半導體需求供應太多，造成我們競爭力……怎麼樣把中小微企業跟傳統產業的AI與數位轉型做好，這很重要。是。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:46:36.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:46:40.634000+08:00","text":"否則他們永遠停滯在過去的那種競爭力，根本沒有辦法提升。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T10:46:41.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:46:44.436000+08:00","text":"是，這就是我們政策推動最主要的主軸。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:46:44.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:46:51.159000+08:00","text":"我看不出有強力的支援跟協助，或者預算的協助，這一點……","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T10:46:54.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:47:04.137000+08:00","text":"如果是個別廠商升級轉型的話，他只要提出一些看法，我們甚至於如果加上他買新的一些AI相關設備……","quality":0.721},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:47:04.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:47:27.029000+08:00","text":"其實我覺得執行面你們來做、預算面你們來編，但是整個國家戰略計畫、中小微或者傳統產業再生計畫，這應該是國發會主政，提出一個比較全面的思維，然後你再下達各個戰術給各部會，包括教育部、科技部。","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2025-11-20T10:47:27.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:47:28.690000+08:00","text":"執行上我們是會落實執行。","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:47:30.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:47:32.173000+08:00","text":"一定要重視這個問題。是。謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-20T10:47:32.673000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T10:47:36.387286+08:00","text":"接下來請謝衣鳯委員，請做詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}