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AI而是利用AI如何去让他们学得最大的帮手像我们的酷英网我们的学生利用即在你在偏乡利用酷英网我们根据我们的调查如果经过酷英网你只要四个小时以上它进步是15%以上那新生减量呢"},{"start":906.579,"end":935.156,"text":"行政减量一样我们现在我们也在推动那个Try AITry AI我们那个我们也是在学习说如何比如说写公文比如学写写什么样的文字对对对我们要教导他们所有行政我们教育部也是开始做起如何去去应用他们应用AI得到最大的帮忙对对对我们是要希望能减少教学第一线的老师的行政减量好我们朝这个方向去走好谢谢次长谢谢主席"},{"start":936.077,"end":936.984,"text":"谢谢林一金委员"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:52:24.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:52:28.627000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請教育部劉次長和數發部胡主秘。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-20T10:52:30.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:52:30.611000+08:00","text":"請劉次長、胡主秘。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:52:37.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:53:05.371000+08:00","text":"臺灣是民主國家，每位公民只要不傷害別人，理所當然要獲得最大限度的自由，政府也無權干涉，可是這並不等同於我們可以眼睜睜地看著下一代暴露在危險的情境中卻毫無作為，也就是說，我們並不會在民眾即將要把鉅款匯給詐騙集團的時候，還在旁邊說「匯款是民眾的自由」這樣的風涼話。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:53:07.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:53:33.701000+08:00","text":"國際特赦組織對TikTok發布了兩份報告，看起來令人毛骨悚然，第一份報告是說，TikTok為了吸引住使用者，透過演算法不斷做出一些毫無把關的推薦、個人化的推薦，無論內容有多麼離經叛道，它都會直接透過手機螢幕，推送我們孩子的面前。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:53:34.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:54:02.910000+08:00","text":"在國際特赦組織這個研究中顯現出，如果一個孩子好奇自己的心理狀態，又或者他對身心健康問題有興趣，TikTok就會灌輸許多有害的資訊給他，例如鼓勵自殘或自殺的影片，換句話說，TikTok已經不只是網路成癮的問題，而是對我們下一代赤裸裸的惡意。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:54:05.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:54:12.190000+08:00","text":"我要跟次長討論的是，目前在教育現場，你有沒有發現相關的危害事件？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:54:15.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:54:45.391000+08:00","text":"其實現行兒少權法第四十六條有防止兒少接觸有害身心發展網路內容的規範，同法第九十四條也對網路平臺課有罰責，請問教育部如何精進現有措施，進一步落實兒少權法第四十六條規定的精神？","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:54:46.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:54:55.857000+08:00","text":"是不是也要同時在家庭教育中強調教育網路不當內容的影響？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:54:57.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:55:00.340000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員持續關心這件事情，我們也很關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:55:00.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:55:20.596000+08:00","text":"不過我要再次強調，在以TANet為主的，我們是不會裝這個，因為在TANet，根據資通安全法，我們不能裝置大陸製的軟硬體，包括抖音和小紅書，這部分是這樣。","quality":0.779},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:55:20.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:55:48.752000+08:00","text":"至於個人載具、個人手機和所用的ADSL要裝什麼，我們有一個數位工具包，也有一些給家長的指引，希望家長在家庭裡面能設法裝置一些過濾的機制，三大電信業者也都有這個服務，如果他願意裝的話，我們都有一起服務。","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:55:49.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:56:18.329000+08:00","text":"有關委員關心的家庭教育，我們的終身教育司也做了很多家庭教育的課程和宣導活動，媒體素養和數位素養等相關課程都有列在裡面，說實在的，已經很多了，不過聽不聽是另外一回事，因為委員剛剛也提到人身自由，但是我們的教育就是永遠不夠，我們會持續加強推動。","quality":0.486},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:56:20.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:56:51.964000+08:00","text":"剛才也講了，有關網路的事情是道高一尺，魔高一丈，只要蒐集到委員所說任何新的有害兒少身心的東西，不管是被動或主動知道，我們都會經過iWIN的機制，iWIN如果認為實際有害，會通知業者下架，如果不下架，我們教育部會自動讓它下架，而且是只在學術網路裡面下架。瞭解。","quality":0.701},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T10:56:53.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:57:13.321000+08:00","text":"因為我們教育部主管的只是在學術網路和教學現場擁有的，家庭的部分我們還是持續跟家長做溝通，也和家長團體持續對話，希望大家都瞭解，多利用我們的數位工具包，當然委員會說數位工具包夠不夠，我們會充實和加強。","quality":0.728},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:57:14.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:57:23.768000+08:00","text":"其實TikTok有另外一個問題，這個問題比其他社群平臺嚴重許多，就是因為它來自獨裁的中國。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:57:25.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:57:48.936000+08:00","text":"中國這個國家是無法被完全信任的，因為它這個政府可以恣意妄為去侵害人民的權益，它透過TikTok，讓臺灣的孩子有大量的個人資訊被中國這個國家所掌握，我們會有大量的兒少隱私暴露在中國。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:57:49.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:58:23.645000+08:00","text":"國際特赦組織另外一個報告顯示TikTok採高度剝削的商業經營模式，不僅大量蒐集用戶在平臺上的個人數據，在某些地區，就連用戶在現實生活中的資訊也會被蒐集，所以國際特赦組織形容說：陷入TikTok的監視網路當中，會給青少年帶來很多隱私權遭曝光的恐懼感。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:58:24.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:58:37.271000+08:00","text":"所以再來就要請教數發部胡主秘，兒少乃至全體國人的個人資訊暴露在中國的掌控之中會有怎麼樣的風險？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:58:37.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:58:40.212000+08:00","text":"數發部又有怎麼樣的應變策略？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:58:40.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:59:04.690000+08:00","text":"因為監察院有報告指出，美國、歐盟或英國都有一些法令，像美國有「保護美國人免受外國對手應用程式侵害法」、歐盟有「數位服務法」、英國有「線上安全法」等立法，我們臺灣會不會朝立法管制模式去應對？","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"胡主任秘書貝蒂","start":"2025-11-20T10:59:06.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:59:21.795000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的質詢，有關個資外洩的部分，過去個資外洩，就會導致和詐騙相關的東西進來，所以如果小朋友的資料都暴露在外面的話，事實上會增加很多受騙的危險。對！","quality":0.779},{"speaker":"胡主任秘書貝蒂","start":"2025-11-20T10:59:22.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:59:35.022000+08:00","text":"這個部分其實我們的個資法已經有相關的規範，或者是我們的打詐相關條例，也已經針對不當廣告，要求Meta等等予以下架，是有相關的處理了。","quality":0.77},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T10:59:35.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:59:36.903000+08:00","text":"所以你的意思就是透過個資法？","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"胡主任秘書貝蒂","start":"2025-11-20T10:59:37.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:59:49.448000+08:00","text":"目前個資法已經有針對這些業者，如果它讓我們的資料外洩的話，業者就要負起一定的責任，這是針對平臺的部分。","quality":0.596},{"speaker":"胡主任秘書貝蒂","start":"2025-11-20T10:59:50.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T10:59:58.452000+08:00","text":"如果平臺有一些詐騙的廣告等等，它事實上也要在限期內下架，不然也會有相關的責任要負擔。","quality":0.718},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:00:00.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:00:39.723000+08:00","text":"接下來要跟胡主秘討論的是，根據各機關對危害國家資通安全產品限制使用原則，還有行政院秘書長在2020年的發函，我們公務用的資通產品，包括軟體、硬體都不能使用中國的品牌，這些行政規則都已經有要求行政院所屬全國的各公務機關，照理立法院也要比照辦理，請教一下，立法委員利用TikTok進行公務的宣傳，影響民眾視聽，這算不算違反這項規定？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"胡主任秘書貝蒂","start":"2025-11-20T11:00:42.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:01:25.193000+08:00","text":"先跟委員報告一下，有關抖音和TikTok，我們目前是切割處理，抖音很明確就是錄製的，所以一定是不能使用，我們已經也有發函立法院，在公務上面一定不能來運用抖音這樣子的一個app，至於TikTok，我們剛才另外在討論，因為打詐的條例，我們有邀請它來設立法律代表人，這個東西正在討論當中，不過非常明確的，所有公務部門都不可以使用抖音的，立法院這個部分，委員本身或者是行政人員，當然行政人員一定是公務員，公務員資格的一定不能使用這些，至於委員本身可能他就是公職人員有另外的……","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:01:25.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:01:26.193000+08:00","text":"進行公務宣傳耶！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"胡主任秘書貝蒂","start":"2025-11-20T11:01:27.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:01:28.233000+08:00","text":"這個可能就是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:01:30.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:02:00.323000+08:00","text":"另外，中國這個國家就是符合我們反滲透法第二條規定，就是境外敵對勢力，立委可以考察國防機密，也可以參與機密預算，所以他可以獲取很多國家各式各樣的資訊，結果手機裡安裝資安有問題的中國軟體，這難道不是很荒謬的資安破口嗎？","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:02:00.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:02:04.966000+08:00","text":"所以針對這樣的資安破口，我們未來要怎麼樣管制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:02:06.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:02:06.167000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:02:06.167000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:02:07.747000+08:00","text":"胡主秘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"胡主任秘書貝蒂","start":"2025-11-20T11:02:07.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:02:14.292000+08:00","text":"當然，如果依照我們危害國家資通安全相關規定的話，如果他有安裝使用的話，一定要……","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:02:14.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:02:15.312000+08:00","text":"對，安裝抖音。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"胡主任秘書貝蒂","start":"2025-11-20T11:02:17.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:02:27.600000+08:00","text":"對，使用抖音的話就會受到相關資安法的規定，如果有一些情節狀況就可以懲戒或懲處，這個是資安法的規定。","quality":0.644},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:02:30.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:03:08.560000+08:00","text":"好，時間的關係，我想再透過30秒來跟次長討論一下AI教育，因為現在AI教育越來越發達，教育部當然有針對中小學制定一些生成式人工智慧注意事項，當然也有針對家長有一些所謂的數位學習知能指引，對中小學的教學有一些知能，當然也有推出所謂中小學數位教學指引3.0版，不過除了這些以外，我覺得我們還是要回過頭來檢視一下老師、家長跟學生有沒有跟得上AI的腳步。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:03:09.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:03:39.136000+08:00","text":"根據黃昆輝教育基金會於8月到10月間針對現職的國小、國中、高中老師進行AI素養調查，3,600份的回收調查問卷結果顯示，大部分的老師對於AI基礎跟應用或AI的倫理或AI的人本思維，他覺得他是具有素養的，可是在AI的教學法或AI的專業發展這兩項，他覺得還有所不及。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:03:40.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:03:49.284000+08:00","text":"另外，我們也發現，年資愈長的老師們自認具備AI的素養不及資淺的老師。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:03:50.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:04:03.715000+08:00","text":"教育部針對教師的AI素養有舉辦很多的研習課程，有一些基礎的培訓，也都已經有做一些很完整的包括進階的課程也在持續推動。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:04:06.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:04:34.714000+08:00","text":"另外，本席看到教育部在明年的預算書也有持續要辦理AI應用在教學跟學習，也有申請教育雲一站式服務，要開發在地化的教育，運用可信賴的大型人工智慧對話引擎，就是所謂的TAIDE模型，我要請教的是說，我們教育用的TAIDE現在開發的進度不曉得到哪裡？","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:04:35.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:04:44.001000+08:00","text":"還有就是有關行政減量喊了那麼久，生於理工背景的你，你是不是有更多的想像？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:04:44.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:04:48.504000+08:00","text":"針對用AI技術怎樣輔助行政減量，簡單回答。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T11:04:48.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:05:20.547000+08:00","text":"好，您問的問題非常深奧，但是也是切實的，有關於老師的AI知能，我們事實上A1、A2已經百分之百完成，現在所謂A3的增能已經占每年10%，另外，未來也會推動到所謂的B3選修課程，針對生成式AI融入教學的工作坊，如果特定的老師或某些老師需要，我們會加強去學習。","quality":0.745},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T11:05:20.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:05:29.944000+08:00","text":"另外，剛才你也講過，針對某一些階段的老師或者是我不能說他年長，就是比較……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:05:30.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:05:37.327000+08:00","text":"這是調查報告出來的，年資較深的會比年資較淺的對AI這個東西比較不熟悉。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T11:05:37.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:06:06.249000+08:00","text":"那我也算比較資深的，我教學只有30年，但是我們還有一個叫做手把手的機制，我們會推薦對AI教學有經驗的老師或大學教授入校去協助，只要有提出需求，透過各式各樣的管道，縣市政府也好，我們各地方尤其有數位學習中心等等，我們都會願意在這方面協助特定的老師。好。","quality":0.699},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T11:06:09.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:06:56.599000+08:00","text":"至於AI TAIDE上面，我們已經有跨部會，我剛才已經講過，舉個例子，我們最近有推一個Write AI，就是藉由這Education TAIDE的系統，幫助我們高中老師，而且這還是民間的機構來捐贈的一些資源，幫助高中老師去改國文作文，這是一個多麼困難、艱深的問題，聽他們說，如果用人工改一個作文要花10到15分鐘，經過這個可以縮短到幾分鐘之內，而且日後這也可以應用到學生自己自學，也就是說，教育部的立場是我們一定要教老師，我們不是要取代老師，我再次強調，也不是要取代學生學習這一塊。","quality":0.734},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:06:56.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:06:56.920000+08:00","text":"當然、當然。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T11:06:57.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:07:10.248000+08:00","text":"我們是要利用AI去協助老師如何教得好、教得滿，我們也是希望學生能運用AI，不要沉溺在AI、不要overabuse AI，而是利用AI如何去讓他們學得比較好。","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:07:10.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:07:10.908000+08:00","text":"最大的幫手，對。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T11:07:11.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:07:23.578000+08:00","text":"像我們的酷英網提供學生利用，即便你在偏鄉，利用酷英網，根據我們的調查，如果經過酷英網只要4個小時以上，他的進步是15%以上。","quality":0.623},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:07:24.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:07:25.079000+08:00","text":"那行政減量呢？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T11:07:25.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:07:36.425000+08:00","text":"行政減量也一樣，我們現在也在推動TryAI，我們也是在學習比如寫公文，比如寫什麼樣的文字……對、對。","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T11:07:37.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:07:42.629000+08:00","text":"我們要教導所有行政人員，我們教育部已經開始做起，如何去應用它們，我再強調……","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:07:43.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:07:45.290000+08:00","text":"應用AI得到最大的幫忙。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"劉次長國偉","start":"2025-11-20T11:07:45.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:07:52.435000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，我們是希望能協助教學第一線老師行政減量，朝這個方向去走。","quality":0.586},{"speaker":"林委員宜瑾","start":"2025-11-20T11:07:52.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:07:54.136000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝次長、謝謝主席。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-20T11:07:54.636000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:08:00.921714+08:00","text":"謝謝林宜瑾委員質詢，官員請回座，我們現在休息5分鐘。","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-20T11:08:01.221714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:08:02.364571+08:00","text":"休息（11時7分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-20T11:08:02.664571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:08:04.378857+08:00","text":"繼續開會（11時13分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-20T11:08:04.678857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:08:06.393143+08:00","text":"我們繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-20T11:08:06.693143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:08:09.836000+08:00","text":"接下來請伍麗華委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}