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往源頭啊否則速發部的存在是做什麼是 跟委員報告這個打架其實是很多部會大家一起好 我知道但是現在都是如果說電話的打架當然都不歸你們管啊那這些網路的打架難道不歸你們管嗎是不是然後另外經濟部說主責AI的百工百業那速發部也主責AI的應用"},{"start":725.854,"end":754.129,"text":"那到底這現在是誰做主我們會有部跟經濟部一起協作那抒發部這部分是針對這個技術的提供還有支付業者的部分去做資源投入所以是誰做主在不同的場域裡面應該是會有不同的就是部會來做所以就你跟經濟部是誰做主我們在那個如果是AI新時代建設的話AI數位產業登峰這一支計畫是我們主責好加油謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:52:45.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:52:47.361000+08:00","text":"主席，我想請國發會葉主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-20T11:52:47.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:52:47.761000+08:00","text":"請國發會葉主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:52:47.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:52:49.102000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:52:56.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:52:56.815000+08:00","text":"主委午安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:52:57.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:01.922000+08:00","text":"我想藉這個機會請教您關於AI十大建設，國發會推動這個計畫的總投資規模是多少？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:11.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:11.762000+08:00","text":"好，主委不知道，但是……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:12.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:14.624000+08:00","text":"明年的預算是三百多億。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:14.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:23.673000+08:00","text":"是，它的總投資規模高達1.78兆元，目標是打造AI護國群山，你應該要比我瞭解吧？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:23.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:26.875000+08:00","text":"怎麼感覺我在講這件事，你好像不是那麼理解？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:27.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:37.942000+08:00","text":"沒有，委員，你那個1.78兆元是屬於152項建設，那是屬於配套的部分，但我們還有另外一個是在AI新十大建設，那是另外一塊的。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:37.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:40.023000+08:00","text":"另外一塊，你說那一塊是多少錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:40.023000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:41.023000+08:00","text":"預算明年……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:40.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:43.225000+08:00","text":"所以要在1.78兆之內再加上那一個，還是……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:43.225000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:44.225000+08:00","text":"對，另外那一個。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:44.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:45.526000+08:00","text":"這是額外的，另外的？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:45.526000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:46.526000+08:00","text":"對，另外的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:45.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:46.346000+08:00","text":"你們明年編多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:46.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:46.426000+08:00","text":"三百多億，330億。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:47.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:50.749000+08:00","text":"三百多億，那不是一個小數字耶！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:51.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:53:52.730000+08:00","text":"真的是一個滿大的數字。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:53:54.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:54:00.273000+08:00","text":"你們的目標，據我所知，是讓臺灣成為全球AI前五強，這個正確嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:54:03.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:54:05.018000+08:00","text":"是的，那是我們的目標。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:54:05.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:54:05.858000+08:00","text":"是你們的目標吧？是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:54:07.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:54:26.251000+08:00","text":"針對AI，其實它真的是繼半導體之後帶動國家成長的一個新引擎，也是面對少子化、缺工、產業升級時非常重要的契機，不過主委，我想瞭解目前整體的推動重點是不是還集中在臺北呢？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:54:27.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:54:39.985000+08:00","text":"不會，我們會均衡地去發展，比如說北部的話就是桃竹苗大矽谷，南部的話就是南方新矽谷，中間的話……","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:54:39.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:54:41.206000+08:00","text":"那是哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:54:41.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:54:42.267000+08:00","text":"南方新矽谷是哪裡？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:54:42.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:54:45.809000+08:00","text":"包括嘉義、臺南、高雄，還有屏東。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:54:46.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:54:47.190000+08:00","text":"為什麼就跳過了雲林？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:54:47.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:54:53.013000+08:00","text":"你臺北有，南部有，然後我們雲林就沒有，我不能理解，這是均衡嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:54:54.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:54:55.895000+08:00","text":"中部有啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:54:56.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:55:02.959000+08:00","text":"中部有，所以你幾乎整排西部都有，就只有跳過雲林的意思，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:55:02.959000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:55:03.959000+08:00","text":"雲林也有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:55:03.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:55:15.826000+08:00","text":"我想提醒主委，如果AI的成果都只是在都會區開花的話，勢必會擴大數位落差以及產業落差，讓我們中部的產業難以受惠。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:55:16.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:55:23.791000+08:00","text":"AI的成功不能只是技術的成功，更應該是雨露均霑、全民共享的成功，主委，您同意嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:55:24.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:55:32.437000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實在雲林這邊，我們有規劃全民智慧生活圈，還有中部精密智慧新核心，其實都有，然後裡頭有包括……","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:55:33.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:55:34.479000+08:00","text":"內容是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:55:34.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:55:36.360000+08:00","text":"可以提供給本席辦公室嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:55:36.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:55:46.067000+08:00","text":"中部精密智慧新核心的話，包括農漁業導入智慧科技，還有發展智慧養殖並拓展到食品加工，有這一部分。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:55:47.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:55:47.748000+08:00","text":"這個編了多少錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:55:49.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:55:52.701000+08:00","text":"這個部分是不是會後提供給委員？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:55:53.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:55:54.703000+08:00","text":"好，會後給我書面資料，好不好？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:55:55.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:56:39.837000+08:00","text":"我舉雲林為例，交通跟能源都兼備，中科虎尾園區如果未來從虎尾一直串連到土庫，串連到褒忠，串連到東勢，整體可達1,600公頃的腹地，而且它是單一地主，全部都是台糖土地，足以容納半導體跟AI產業上下游建廠，放眼50年，我猜都不用再擔心土地的問題，請問主委，國發會能不能率先在雲林規劃一個AI應用的示範據點、產業的示範據點，讓全國都能夠看到AI帶來的實質成果？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:56:40.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:56:48.050000+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實我們在臺中已經有設類似的，至於在雲林，是不是我們再評估一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:56:48.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:56:49.530000+08:00","text":"認真評估一下，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:56:49.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:56:50.210000+08:00","text":"認真評估一下，我們有水、有電，還有土地耶！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:56:50.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:56:52.531000+08:00","text":"你去看其他的縣市，幾乎都已經沒有這個條件了，剛剛蔡易餘委員問了很多有關於他們台積電的事情，他們的台積電還是跟我們借水的耶！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:56:52.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:56:52.771000+08:00","text":"你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:57:09.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:57:18.104000+08:00","text":"所以為什麼我們有水、有地、有電，我們不能夠發展產業，我們的水還要借給別人用，你覺得這合理嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:57:18.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:57:21.047000+08:00","text":"站在國家發展的角度之上，你覺得這樣合理嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:57:24.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:57:25.439000+08:00","text":"不合理你就說不合理啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:57:26.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:57:40.592000+08:00","text":"沒有，這是區域均衡的問題，因為水的問題，比如說像新竹的話，有一些水也是從苗栗送，所以其實是每一個地方政府都會互相地配合。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:57:41.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:57:42.834000+08:00","text":"你說哪裡的水是從苗栗送？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:57:44.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:57:46.417000+08:00","text":"應該是苗栗的水往新竹送。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:57:47.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:57:49.344000+08:00","text":"我現在是在跟你說雲林的水往嘉義送！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:57:50.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:57:56.646000+08:00","text":"我知道，所以我跟委員分享的是，區域治理其實要地方政府一起來做，而不是單一的啦！","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:57:56.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:14.111000+08:00","text":"我現在就在告訴你，我們既然有這個條件，國發會就要重視，這才是你的工作，不是說這裡已經發展，就繼續發展好了，這樣子我們的城鄉差距就會越來越大，你不同意嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:14.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:15.852000+08:00","text":"我同意，但是就每一個區域，它……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:15.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:16.732000+08:00","text":"對，你同意就好了，現在……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:17.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:17.312000+08:00","text":"它要有它的特色啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:17.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:18.173000+08:00","text":"就是每一個區域要有一個特色。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:18.173000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:19.173000+08:00","text":"那你針對雲林，你規劃的特色是什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:18.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:18.653000+08:00","text":"不然的話，整個臺灣全部都半導體其實也不好啦！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:18.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:19.033000+08:00","text":"你針對雲林的規劃是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:28.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:33.138000+08:00","text":"雲林的規劃其實是放在我們中部的精密智慧那邊。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:33.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:35.060000+08:00","text":"你對雲林的規劃是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:35.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:38.844000+08:00","text":"不要告訴我，你只是想要規劃雲林繼續種田，是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:38.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:44.649000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，跟委員分享，我們這邊也有規劃全民智慧生活圈，裡面有……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:46.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:48.133000+08:00","text":"你剛剛講的漁業、農業。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:48.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:49.815000+08:00","text":"對，那是一支，現在是第二個。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:49.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:50.776000+08:00","text":"然後第二個是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:51.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:56.297000+08:00","text":"第二個就是我剛剛跟委員分享的全民智慧生活圈，裡面有包括智慧健康，這個我想是……","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:56.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:58:58.457000+08:00","text":"智慧健康是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:58:58.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:03.738000+08:00","text":"智慧健康這個就是委員您比較重視的，就是長照醫院，這個部分會規劃在裡面。","quality":0.656},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:05.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:09.959000+08:00","text":"是，所以我們就只能有醫院，有農業，有漁業，我們沒有辦法發展產業，你是這個意思嗎？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:09.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:11.880000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，還有運輸中心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:12.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:13.040000+08:00","text":"你是這個意思嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:13.040000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:14.040000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:13.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:14.120000+08:00","text":"我覺得你給我傳遞的訊息讓我有點擔憂。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:14.120000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:17.260500+08:00","text":"不會啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:17.260500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:20.401000+08:00","text":"因為我們也有規劃物流中心。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:20.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:24.404000+08:00","text":"而且不只是有點擔憂，是非常擔憂。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:24.404000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:25.404000+08:00","text":"有物流中心。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:24.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:31.688000+08:00","text":"就會覺得你這樣子的話，等於是你內心已經有底定，反正你就是要重點發展哪幾個地方，然後其他的地方沒辦法做的，不然我們地方就接去做這樣。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:31.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:32.008000+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:32.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:33.709000+08:00","text":"我們會依照每一個地方的特色……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:33.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:49.802000+08:00","text":"主委，我誠摯地邀請你到雲林走一走，到雲林走一走，你才知道你想像的雲林也許跟你看到的不一樣，好不好？好。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:50.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:53.126000+08:00","text":"我接下來想要問數發部的侯次長。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:53.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T11:59:53.346000+08:00","text":"請侯次長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T11:59:58.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:00:16.103000+08:00","text":"次長，我們今天提到AI科技的未來藍圖，其實我是一則以喜，一則以憂，一方面看好AI發展帶動整個產業的新高峰、促進經濟成長，但是相對應地也讓犯罪行為更容易。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:00:16.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:00:18.044000+08:00","text":"次長，你知道我所指的是什麼嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2025-11-20T12:00:21.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:00:22.818000+08:00","text":"我不太確定委員指的是詐騙還是……","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:00:22.818000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T12:00:23.818000+08:00","text":"對，是詐騙。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:00:23.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:00:27.022000+08:00","text":"我前兩天也看到林部長接受媒體專訪，大談打詐心得，包括要求Meta、Google、LINE揭露廣告出資者、24小時內下架詐騙廣告。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:00:40.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:00:48.144000+08:00","text":"我想知道，美國官員來臺參訪的時候，數發部有沒有提出跟Facebook詐騙相關的議題？","quality":0.641},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:00:48.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:00:49.985000+08:00","text":"他們有給我們什麼正面回應嗎？","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2025-11-20T12:00:51.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:00:55.672000+08:00","text":"有，他們提出未來要一起合作，除了……","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:00:56.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:00:57.293000+08:00","text":"有什麼具體的嗎？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2025-11-20T12:00:58.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:01:02.571000+08:00","text":"具體的部分應該還在雙方協商當中，但是跟……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:01:03.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:01:23.780000+08:00","text":"我在這裡提醒次長，數發部或美國官方應該加大對Meta關切的力度，原因很簡單，不曉得次長有沒有掌握，依照數發部自己的統計資料，目前在網路平臺中最主要的詐騙管道是什麼？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2025-11-20T12:01:28.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:01:28.744000+08:00","text":"應該是社群平臺。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:01:29.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:01:30.105000+08:00","text":"就是Meta！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:01:31.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:01:31.886000+08:00","text":"就是Meta！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:01:32.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:01:37.769000+08:00","text":"Meta占了86.9%，是第一名。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:01:40.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:01:48.796000+08:00","text":"假設數發部覺得打詐是重要的一環，那你們應該跟Meta溝通啊！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:01:50.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:02:20.986000+08:00","text":"根據路透社表示，2024年Meta平均每日向用戶展現150億則高風險詐騙廣告，有10.1%年度營收來自違反平臺標準的廣告，其中詐騙廣告一年為他們創造70億美元，也就是2,168億臺幣的年營收，不曉得次長有沒有掌握這個數字？","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2025-11-20T12:02:20.986000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-20T12:02:24.128000+08:00","text":"這個數字我們是知道的。是吧？是。","quality":0.231},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:02:24.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:02:32.792000+08:00","text":"那你們應該知道，假設可以讓Meta跟你們合作，該下架的都下架，你知道現在Meta下架的標準是什麼嗎？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:02:32.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:02:44.896000+08:00","text":"要他們覺得高達95%的機率是詐騙廣告才會下架，假設93%就不下，只會要求業主多付一點廣告費，然後繼續幫業主登。","quality":0.66},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2025-11-20T12:02:47.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:02:49.497000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們通報的，他們都會下架，不然就是……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:02:50.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:02:52.598000+08:00","text":"所以只要你們通報，他們都會下架，那你們怎麼通報？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:02:55.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:02:57.020000+08:00","text":"是人工通報嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:02:57.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:02:58.720000+08:00","text":"還是AI通報？","quality":1},{"speaker":"侯次長宜秀","start":"2025-11-20T12:02:58.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:03:06.723000+08:00","text":"我們已經有完整的機制，接到舉報之後，會交給各主管機關，由主管機關通報。好。","quality":0.719},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:03:06.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:03:09.203000+08:00","text":"那我再給你看黃仁勳的相關貼文。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:03:10.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T12:03:21.487000+08:00","text":"你看這兩個都用黃仁勳的名義，結果一個是訊息已經被移除了，一個是疑似詐騙。","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2025-11-20T12:03:21.487000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-20T1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