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兩個大國打起來對台灣很好可是我覺得大家要三思"},{"start":259.941,"end":274.202,"text":"多少專家我的經驗沒有任何一次我這次兩個禮拜沒有任何一個國說兩個大國打起來是很好的事情每一個國家包含聯合國發言人的回憶都是怎麼樣希望降低中國跟日本之間的緊張關係你認為兩個國家會不會打起來"},{"start":276.886,"end":296.874,"text":"我認為目前不會目前不會 未來也不會是不是因為大陸所要引用聯絡國憲章的敵國條款因為他們是戰敗國包括德國 義大利 日本戰敗國他如果有侵犯到別人的話可以直接動武不需要再經過安理會"},{"start":298.894,"end":322.8,"text":"這個能不能適用報告委員聯合國成立的時候簽署國並不是中華人民共和國而是我們中華民國所以我想他去引用我們中華民國簽的條約好像也不太適當但是這個條款在那裡沒有拿掉雖然沒有廢掉 還留著實質上大家認為沒有意義可是它還留在那裡所以你認為它什麼時候可以降溫兩國"},{"start":326.156,"end":344.107,"text":"什麼時候可以降溫報告委員 我想降溫真的是有賴於日本跟中國他們自己彼此的一個外交要做什麼 因為這個並不是跟我們中華民國不是跟我們中華民國直接的衝突所以我想這還是由日本跟美國來處理"},{"start":346.488,"end":360.866,"text":"各國都有在協助想辦法降低兩國的衝突因為真的這個地區的區域的區域和平安全是全世界的共同利益沒有一個國家有利益讓美國有介入嗎我說最後一句話美國有介入這個事情嗎"},{"start":364.147,"end":378.418,"text":"美國有表達對日本的支持我想國務院跟美國駐日大使是有表達對日本的支持那這兩個都是我們的盟邦可是老公還是不甩啊老公現在拼命在升級啊現在還在往上爬啊這個才令人擔心的最後一小點我覺得賴清德總統太不厚道了利用這一次兵荒馬亂啦這個呼嚕呼嚕沒有預警的開放"},{"start":396.145,"end":404.319,"text":"核輔導核災食品進來了欸沒有經過一定的程序就這樣子可以全面開放欸這個東西你不用回答我時間到了齁這個這個莫名其妙就噴了這叫渾水摸魚啊這是渾水摸魚的行為啊"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:07:37.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:07:45.157000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請外交部吳次長，以及國安局張副局長，兩位長官一起。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-24T10:07:45.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:07:45.337000+08:00","text":"來，兩位請。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:07:45.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:07:46.658000+08:00","text":"我的時間很短，主席又控制得很嚴格，請兩位長官儘量簡短回答。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:07:57.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:08:25.831000+08:00","text":"美國國會底下的USCC有透露、媒體上也都有揭露，要臺灣資助美軍在菲律賓軍事基地的升級工程，簡單來講就是因為菲律賓距離臺灣很近，那麼臺灣出錢修他們的比如跑道或其他的一些設施，這樣要來幫忙臺灣比較方便，有沒有這回事？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:08:27.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:08:31.474000+08:00","text":"來，國安局副局長，快點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副局長元斌","start":"2025-11-24T10:08:31.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:08:34.155000+08:00","text":"報告委員，目前我沒有接收到這樣的情訊。沒有？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:08:35.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:08:36.237000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副局長元斌","start":"2025-11-24T10:08:37.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:08:39.219000+08:00","text":"我們沒有接到這樣的情訊。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:08:40.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:08:55.529000+08:00","text":"另外，USCC認為可以透過FMS，就是對外的軍售計畫，參與臺灣協助日本西南諸島的一些類似工程上的建設，有沒有這個東西？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"張副局長元斌","start":"2025-11-24T10:08:58.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:01.313000+08:00","text":"報告委員，一樣沒有接到這樣的情訊。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:01.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:03.773000+08:00","text":"外交部的吳次長要不要回答一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:04.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:05.333000+08:00","text":"吳次長，有沒有接到這個訊息？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:07.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:08.594000+08:00","text":"是有這樣的一個政策建議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:08.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:09.594000+08:00","text":"有啊，怎麼沒有呢！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:09.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:10.074000+08:00","text":"有討論啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:11.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:15.396000+08:00","text":"但是政策建議很多事情是可以討論的，到目前並沒有要……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:15.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:21.417000+08:00","text":"我請教你，日本西南諸島有沒有包括爭議最大的釣魚臺？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:21.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:21.677000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:24.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:25.986000+08:00","text":"日本的西南諸島？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:25.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:27.048000+08:00","text":"西南諸島，當然有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:27.688000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:31.232000+08:00","text":"你去看日本的地圖，西南下來就是釣魚臺啊！","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:31.232000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:32.253000+08:00","text":"應該有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:32.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:32.473000+08:00","text":"再過來臺灣，再過來是菲律賓。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:32.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:50.293000+08:00","text":"所以也就是說，美國的國會建議臺灣出錢去幫忙美軍在這些地方的一些非軍事的設施，我們叫做什麼？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:09:50.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:09:59.558000+08:00","text":"叫做supporting，非軍事的啦，比如說跑道等等軍事用地的設施之類的，對吧？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:10:03.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:10:17.555000+08:00","text":"依我的理解，從我年輕念書到現在，臺灣或中華民國跟美國在各方面的合作一直是我們一貫的政策，所以如果有這樣的作法，我想就是我們過去一貫的政策啊！","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:10:17.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:10:21.359000+08:00","text":"你不覺得我們現在已經被扒了好幾層皮欸！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士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art":"2025-11-24T10:13:06.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:13:21.087000+08:00","text":"我想降溫真的是有賴於日本跟中國彼此的外交要做什麼樣的政策，因為這個並不是直接跟我們中華民國的衝突，所以我想還是由日本跟美國來處理。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:13:23.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:13:36.884000+08:00","text":"各國都有在協助想辦法降低兩國的衝突，因為這個地區的區域和平安全真的是全世界的共同利益，沒有一個國家有利益讓這個……","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:13:36.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:13:37.245000+08:00","text":"美國有介入嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:13:37.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:13:37.846000+08:00","text":"我問最後一句話，美國有介入這個事情嗎？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:13:37.846000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-24T10:13:41.147000+08:00","text":"美國有介入希望兩國降溫嗎？","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:13:41.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:13:50.775000+08:00","text":"美國有表達對日本的支持，我想國務院跟美國駐日大使是有表達對日本的支持，這兩個都是我們的盟邦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:13:51.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:13:54.197000+08:00","text":"可是老共還是不甩，老共現在拚命在升級，現在還在往上爬啊，這個才令人擔心。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:13:54.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:14:18.554000+08:00","text":"最後一小點，我覺得賴清德總統太不厚道了，利用這一次兵荒馬亂，忽然沒有預警的開放福島核災食品進來了，沒有經過一定的程序，就這樣子可以全面開放。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-24T10:14:19.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:14:21.299000+08:00","text":"這個東西你不用回答我，我時間到了，莫名其妙就開放了，這叫混水摸魚，這是混水摸魚的行為啊！","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-24T10:14:21.799000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-24T10:14:26.656143+08:00","text":"好，謝謝賴士葆委員的質詢，次長您先請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:14:26.956143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-24T10:14:28.099000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（陳委員俊宇代）","start":"2025-11-24T10:14:28.399000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-24T10:14:32.113286+08:00","text":"接續我們邀請王定宇召委質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}