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國安局你們的分析評估為什麼中國這一次會極力的要去阻止這個點是"},{"start":253.559,"end":277.457,"text":"包委員因為中國一直把台灣當成他核心利益中的利益所以他對於有關於台海的這個發言的話格外的重視所以這個部分等於是他們會認為觸犯他的紅線其實他的紅線是什麼剛才之前我聽吳次長的答詢你其實有講過答案對中國來講他希望把台灣變成內部"},{"start":279.698,"end":296.53,"text":"內部事務圍起來打外界都不要干涉因為他們視台灣為內部事務你剛才講就像香港一旦成為中國的內部事務外人就難以插手一旦外人難以插手加上日本"},{"start":297.27,"end":314.208,"text":"以他集體自衛權表達介入的可能性歷次的兵推日本光開放機場跟幫助美軍加油中國在兵推對盟軍最嚴格的條件對中國最寬鬆的條件兵推中國沒有贏過半次"},{"start":315.899,"end":339.833,"text":"中國武力犯台要欺負台灣要糟蹋我們的國家在歷次的兵推不管你看美國CSIS的或者是在日本的前兩年的兵推用最對盟軍最嚴格的條件比方說規定他的這個某些飛彈不能攻擊艦艇比如說台灣的部隊都沒有動作用最嚴格的條件日方只提供加油"},{"start":342.135,"end":366.415,"text":"共軍其實犯台在兵退裡面是沒有贏過的所以在這兩個前提下中國當然要跳腳他希望阻止台灣成為國際利益的核心他希望阻止各國民主盟友對台海發生軍事衝突展現積極的態度對他來講他等於是失去武力犯台的機會對台灣來講你們認為這是安全的提升還是安全的下降"},{"start":367.912,"end":393.452,"text":"包委員 針對日本等於是高盛內閣這次提的安保的一個要提升它的一個自衛能量那因為這本於就是美日同盟的一個概念他們是有安保條例的所以其實從這個角度來看有助於美盟在印太地區區域的能力的提升這個區域的穩定"},{"start":393.912,"end":420.505,"text":"和平式提升 因為大家談這個問題我特別很遺憾 我看到我們國內有些人講日本講這個話 無視深坡無視深坡的是中國中國用他的軍事力量呈現在第一島鏈從菲律賓去撞人家的海巡艇到台海天天惹事 到東海 到黃海甚至於到紐澳的外海在今年二月實彈演習是中國的軍力投射"},{"start":421.755,"end":439.043,"text":"aggressive他這種挑釁的外擴視的一種侵略行為對整個區域造成不穩定所以這個叫做rebalance如果有各國重視這邊讓他再平衡當然對區域安全有提升幫助很多人"},{"start":440.043,"end":463.097,"text":"不敢公開講說自己是站在中共那一邊就講說日本這個是惹事他忘了如果有一個鄰居一天到晚拿棍子要打你的家人這時候有社區巡守隊有好鄰居有警察出來說不可以這樣子喔這樣的話影響到我們的安寧我們要出來介入的時候你竟然去罵那個巡守隊去罵那個警察罵那個鄰居不敢去譴責那個惡霸區域惡霸"},{"start":467.245,"end":492.252,"text":"這已經不是偽善了 這叫為虎作倉你們贊不贊成這種說法我們對於有助於英泰的一個區域安全穩定和平 這我們都非常樂見所以我回到外交部剛有聽到一些問題 我還是很遺憾就是說國內有些像馬英九這樣的人竟然說台灣跟中國是自己的內部的事 外人不要插手這是陷台灣於險境"},{"start":494.417,"end":509.686,"text":"一旦中國達成這個指標全世界都不要插手了反而是最容易引戰的時候台灣反而最危險而且對後代子孫是非常的不公平不正義台灣是國際的一份子台灣被"},{"start":510.566,"end":538.734,"text":"攻擊也好被中國這樣的武力霸凌也好會影響國際利益加上我們提升自我防衛能量這才是真正的和平之道嘛所以我要請教市長剛才有提說哎呀這一次賴清德總統吃這個壽司吃個壽司我看那個也就是旋轉壽司那個意見一堆有好朋友說了對安全提升的話不管他是有意或者是出於日本自己國家利益作為鄰居"},{"start":540.325,"end":568.508,"text":"我們發聲做正面的回應日本人我看了所有的主流媒體NHK 讀麥 美日新聞 產經新聞共同社日本電視台 富士電視台 全部都報導啊那一則的瀏覽量有兩千萬啊剛剛有一題你沒有回答 你們有下廣告嗎是你用外宣的嗎我們已經沒有錢做外宣了根本就沒有錢做外宣了嘛我剛才聽到有委員在那邊問你們是不是花錢他忘了錢是被他們自己刪掉的"},{"start":570.066,"end":599.407,"text":"外宣的錢都沒有了 竟然還在質疑說你們花錢買媒體 外銷轉內銷一個鄰國為了台灣安全正被中國霸凌完全站在中國的角度說台灣不要出聲音 我們不要跟著惹事這樣以後誰要幫你然後呢 明明日本的主流媒體報導兩千多萬次的這個瀏覽還要說我們這個是外銷轉內銷沒有吧 你們沒有任何宣傳費用了啊"},{"start":600.342,"end":626.871,"text":"我們現在沒有在做這方面宣傳因為國際自動就會站在我們這邊不要說自動啦 我剛才其實台日協可以站出來幫忙講就幫忙講日本的主流媒體都有報導日本民眾的關注度很高啊然後還要再用二戰的戰敗國幫中國去羞辱日本幫中國主張武力可以直接打他 恐嚇日本中國這麼做我不意外"},{"start":627.793,"end":650.618,"text":"我們在台灣該採取這個立場嗎何況當時聯合國創立一開始過渡時期是這一些發起戰爭國如果再重啟侵略戰爭常任國可以直接軍事發動軍事攻擊不用經過安理會授權後來在50 60年代這些二戰的戰敗國都成為聯合國會員國之後這個過渡條款基本上不用了"},{"start":651.158,"end":679.133,"text":"在1995年聯合國大會當時中國也投贊成票認為這一個條款所謂的可以直接制裁的條款已經過時並不適用我印象當年的表決是第50條第52條這個條款已經作廢不用了那現在中國還拿出來拿出來他也曉得不好意思後來有下架換小粉紅去弄我希望我們台灣的政界不要成為小粉紅去幫忙引用這一條人家在"},{"start":680.39,"end":698.599,"text":"日本有權利去檢視他的安全事務而他檢視過程當中如果剛好對我們有利 給予好鄰居我們發個聲幫忙 理所當然我們沒有要介入任何糾紛任何認為是台灣或日本引起糾紛的都忘了一個核心命題 那就是"},{"start":699.861,"end":723.062,"text":"中國才是這整個區域不安的麻煩製造者他才是源頭他不要去軍事想要打台灣想要弄菲律賓想要去弄日本哪有集體自衛權大家那個國防預算的GDP佔比都可以再降一點啦問題是他每一年7%的成長超過8兆的投資對周邊國家形成壓力源頭不檢討檢討受害者"},{"start":725.438,"end":750.396,"text":"我相信在歐盟 我最近看歐盟的會議都在講檢討受害者其實是幫獨裁者擦脂抹粉我時間到 我提醒外交部跟國安局研究兩個事情 三個事情這一次高市期真正重要的是在2026年開始啟動對話2026年年底要完成三個安保文件的修正從2015年安倍修改他們的安保法"},{"start":753.601,"end":768.99,"text":"這個限於防衛開始採取主動積極那這一次高市早苗啟動的修正有三個方向我們要去思考第一個他要建構一個區域的安全防衛網絡那台灣跟這個網絡其實是核心命題"},{"start":770.03,"end":794.598,"text":"卻因為外交關係我們不容易在這裡面有角色我們既是核心命題又陷於地緣政治的局限台灣怎麼樣跟這一個安全網絡建構這牽涉到第一島鏈到第二島鏈第二個事情高市有要檢討所謂的放寬防衛軍備的這個出口以及防衛軍備的合作"},{"start":795.646,"end":813.924,"text":"那台灣在他旁邊我們長期民間就有工業合作甚至有些軍民通的就是商業跟軍用共用的一些技術日本跟台灣的工業界都有在合作那怎麼樣在這個軍備合作或軍備輸出的情形上"},{"start":814.785,"end":832.053,"text":"對台灣尋求最大利益最後一個是C2的一體化也就是指管系統一體化日本已經要跟美國指管系統一體化那台灣要不要指管系統一體化情報分享即時化這個是由印太司令部"},{"start":833.201,"end":843.418,"text":"還有日本還有韓國都有提出來這對台灣國安局跟外交部外交部也許不管指管但國安局應該要跟國防部進行研究以上三個建議給各位 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:14:51.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:14:55.010000+08:00","text":"請外交部吳次長，還有國安局副局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-24T10:14:57.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:15:04.052000+08:00","text":"請吳次長及張副局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:15:04.052000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-24T10:15:05.052000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:15:04.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:15:04.153000+08:00","text":"兩位早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:15:05.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:15:25.123000+08:00","text":"我們來立法院備詢，如果不在權責範圍內的政策不知道就是不知道，不用硬講，但如果應該要捍衛國家跟政府真實的事實，該說要據理以爭，這是我期待我們內閣閣員、每一位官員應該要做的事情。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:15:26.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:15:29.128000+08:00","text":"以我剛才聽到的，哪有開放核食？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:15:31.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:15:51.212000+08:00","text":"那個是經過幾十萬次檢驗，按照之前所有的流程，然後確認沒有問題，從每一件都抽，改成十件抽一，到百件抽一，到最後採取一般的管理流程，那個不叫開放，那是一個管理的進程，如果連這個都沒有辦法當下回應的話，我會覺得非常遺憾。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:15:52.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:15:56.033000+08:00","text":"請教兩位，第一個，高市首相到底做了什麼事情？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:15:57.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:16:10.367000+08:00","text":"其實高市首相是在他們國家非常重要的預算委員會的詢答，因為他們是內閣制，我相信你們應該很清楚，那個是他們最重要的委員會。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:16:10.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:16:22.018000+08:00","text":"他們的國會議員要提問是要先送提問的提綱給常任官擬好稿，所以是政府的常任文官擬好稿讓官員在那邊回答。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:16:23.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:16:30.750000+08:00","text":"他回答的是，如果中國武力侵犯臺灣，是否會影響日本的存立事態？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:16:30.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:16:54.936000+08:00","text":"他們認為中國軍事犯臺，臺灣在這邊是當事人，我們是受害者，那日本認為會影響到他們，其實最近的例子就有嘛，裴洛西那一次射了11顆導彈，有5顆落在日本的經濟水域，任何一個國家應該對自己的安全進行審視（review）及因應，所以他們認為這適用他們憲法的集體自衛權。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:16:54.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:17:11.932000+08:00","text":"他講這個話，對錯日本人跟日本政府可以去審視，至少到目前為止，日本的在野黨全部都支持高市早苗不用收回，今天早上最新的消息是維新會也支持不收回，那他們就過半了，他們國會是過半支持高市的說法喔！","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:17:13.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:17:16.377000+08:00","text":"而且維新會在關西地區跟年輕世代是很高的支持度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:17:17.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:17:22.505000+08:00","text":"為什麼中國會跳腳到文攻武嚇加經濟脅迫，外交部認為為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:17:22.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:17:22.725000+08:00","text":"為什麼中國對這件事情跳腳？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:17:26.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:17:37.778000+08:00","text":"安倍當年說過，當然安倍說的時候不是首相，現在高市立場是一個首相意見，並不是內閣一致性意見，這兩個有點不一樣，這是首相的政策，你們詮釋他為什麼會這樣跳腳？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:17:37.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:17:56.128000+08:00","text":"因為中國現在對臺灣是有野心的嘛，所以我們看到現在中國極力擴張軍備，現在的海軍艦艇達到400艘，遠遠超過美國的300艘……","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:17:56.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:17:59.710000+08:00","text":"他這一次幾乎經濟利益也不顧了……是的。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:18:00.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:18:11.096000+08:00","text":"他們尋求外交和緩也不顧了，為什麼在這個點上，他們要用文攻武嚇加經濟脅迫，當然這個臺灣都承受過了，你們的判斷是什麼？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:18:12.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:18:23.904000+08:00","text":"我剛才提到，中國對臺灣確實是有野心的，不過這樣的野心經過我們中華民國外交部跟政府的努力，其實現在已經越來越不能被世界接受。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:18:25.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:18:33.448000+08:00","text":"我剛剛講委員在Facebook上有分享，聯合國發言人Stephane Dujarric de la Rivier，中國記者一直要問他，要他重申2758號決議裡面臺灣屬於中國……","quality":0.813},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:18:38.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:18:39.771000+08:00","text":"裡面根本沒有寫到臺灣的部分。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:18:40.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:18:49.274000+08:00","text":"對，沒有錯，但我要跟委員報告，你去找那一位發言人，事實上，在過去對臺灣的發言是非常不友善的，從過去不友善到今天……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:18:49.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:18:51.975000+08:00","text":"那個發言人以往其實對我們沒有好臉色過啦！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:18:51.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:18:53.316000+08:00","text":"可是他這次就不願意……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:18:53.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:18:55.676000+08:00","text":"你沒有回答我問題，我還是照順序來。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:18:55.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:19:01.278000+08:00","text":"國安局，你們的分析評估，為什麼中國這一次會極力的要去阻止這個點？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副局長元斌","start":"2025-11-24T10:19:03.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:19:17.449000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為中國一直把臺灣當成他核心利益中的利益，所以他對於有關於臺海的發言格外的重視，所以這個部分等於是他們認為觸犯到他的紅線。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:19:18.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:19:19.871000+08:00","text":"他的紅線是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:19:19.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:19:35.983000+08:00","text":"剛才我聽吳次長的答詢，你其實有講過答案了，對中國來講，他希望把臺灣變成內部，內部事務圍起來打，外界都不要干涉，因為他們視臺灣為內部事務。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:19:35.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:20:34.877000+08:00","text":"你剛才講就像香港，一旦成為中國的內部事務，外人就難以插手，一旦外人難以插手，加上日本以他集體自衛權表達介入的可能性，歷次的兵推，日本光開放機場跟幫助美軍加油，在對盟軍最嚴格的條件、對中國最寬鬆的條件之下兵推，中國沒有贏過半次，中國武力犯臺，要欺負臺灣、要糟蹋我們的國家，在歷次的兵推，不管是美國CSIS的兵推或者是日本前兩年的兵推，用對盟軍最嚴格的條件，比方說規定它的某些飛彈不能攻擊艦艇，比如說臺灣的部隊都沒有動作，用最嚴格的條件，日方只提供加油協助，共軍犯臺在兵推裡面其實是沒有贏過的。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:20:35.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:20:56.395000+08:00","text":"所以在這兩個前提下中國當然跳腳，它希望阻止臺灣成為國際利益的核心，它希望阻止各國民主盟友對臺海發生軍事衝突展現積極的態度，對它來講，它等於是失去武力犯臺的機會，對臺灣來講，你們認為這是安全的提升還是安全的下降？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"張副局長元斌","start":"2025-11-24T10:20:58.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:21:13.404000+08:00","text":"報告委員，針對日本高市內閣這次提了安保的一個……要提升它的自衛能量，因為本於美日同盟的概念去推動……","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:21:14.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:21:15.966000+08:00","text":"當然，他們是有安保條例的嘛！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張副局長元斌","start":"2025-11-24T10:21:16.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:21:22.831000+08:00","text":"所以其實從這個角度來看，有助於美盟在印太地區區域能力的提升。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:21:23.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:21:24.772000+08:00","text":"其實對這個區域的穩定和平是提升……","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"張副局長元斌","start":"2025-11-24T10:21:24.772000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-24T10:21:25.772000+08:00","text":"對，對區域穩定是有幫助的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:21:25.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:22:07.982000+08:00","text":"因為大家談這個問題，我感到特別遺憾的是，我看國內有些人說日本講這個話是無事生波，無事生波的是中國，中國用它的軍事力量呈現在第一島鏈，從菲律賓去撞人家的海巡艇，到臺海，天天惹事，到東海、到黃海，甚至於到紐澳的外海，在今年2月實彈演習，是中國的軍力投射，aggressive，它這種挑釁的、外擴式的侵略行為，對整個區域造成不穩定，所以這個叫做rebalance，如果有各國重視這邊，讓它再平衡，當然對區域安全有提升幫助。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:22:08.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:22:38.865000+08:00","text":"很多人不敢公開說自己是站在中共那一邊，就說日本這個是惹事，他忘了如果有一個鄰居一天到晚拿棍子要打你的家人，這時候有社區巡守隊、有好鄰居、有警察出來說不可以這樣子，這樣會影響到我們的安寧，我們要出來介入的時候，你竟然去罵那個巡守隊、罵那個警察、罵那個鄰居，不敢去譴責那個區域惡霸，這已經不是偽善了，這叫為虎作倀啊！","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:22:39.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:22:40.466000+08:00","text":"你們贊不贊成這種說法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副局長元斌","start":"2025-11-24T10:22:43.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:22:47.688000+08:00","text":"是，只要有助於印太區域安全的穩定與和平，這個我們都非常樂見。","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:22:48.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:23:02.232000+08:00","text":"最後，回到外交部，我對於剛才聽到一些問題還是感到很遺憾啦，就是國內有些像馬英九這樣的人，竟然說臺灣跟中國的事是自己內部的事，外人不要插手，這是陷臺灣於險境耶！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:23:04.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:23:16.544000+08:00","text":"一旦中國達成這個指標，全世界都不要插手了，反而是最容易引戰的時候，臺灣反而最危險，而且對後代子孫是非常的不公平、不正義啊！","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:23:16.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:23:29.488000+08:00","text":"臺灣是國際的一分子，臺灣被攻擊也好，被中國這樣的武力霸凌也好，會影響國際利益，加上我們提升自我防衛能量，這才是真正的和平之道嘛！","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:23:30.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:23:40.371000+08:00","text":"所以我要請教次長，剛才有人提到這一次賴清德總統吃壽司，吃個壽司，我看那也就是旋轉壽司，意見一堆。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:23:41.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:24:06.298000+08:00","text":"有好朋友說了對安全提升的話，不管他是有意或者是出於日本自己的國家利益，作為鄰居，我們發聲做正面的回應，我看到日本所有的主流媒體，包括NHK、讀賣新聞、美日新聞、產經新聞、共同社、日本電視臺、富士電視臺全部都報導了，那一則貼文的瀏覽量有2,000萬次！","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:24:06.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:24:09.500000+08:00","text":"剛才有一題你沒有回答，請問你們有下廣告嗎？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:24:09.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:24:11.422000+08:00","text":"是你們用外宣的嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:24:11.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:24:12.643000+08:00","text":"我們已經沒有錢做外宣了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:24:12.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:24:13.924000+08:00","text":"根本就沒有錢做外宣了嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:24:14.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:24:18.488000+08:00","text":"我剛才聽到有委員在那邊問你們是不是花錢了，他忘了錢是被他們自己刪掉的！","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:24:20.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:24:26.811000+08:00","text":"外宣的錢都沒有了，竟然還在質疑這是你們花錢買媒體，外銷轉內銷。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:24:26.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:24:36.858000+08:00","text":"一個鄰國為了臺灣安全正被中國霸凌，完全站在中國的角度叫臺灣不要出聲音、我們不要跟著惹事，這樣以後誰要幫你？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:24:37.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:24:47.385000+08:00","text":"然後明明日本的主流媒體都報導了，該則貼文也有兩千多萬次的瀏覽，還要說我們這個是外銷轉內銷，沒有吧？","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:24:47.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:24:49.387000+08:00","text":"你們沒有任何宣傳費用了啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:24:50.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:24:55.924000+08:00","text":"我們現在沒有在做這方面宣傳，因為國際自動就會站在我們這邊，我剛才提到……","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:24:55.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:25:05.067000+08:00","text":"不要提自動啦，其實臺日協可以站出來幫忙講就要幫忙講，日本的主流媒體都有報導啊，日本民眾的關注度很高啊！","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:25:05.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:25:19.753000+08:00","text":"然後還要再用二戰的戰敗國幫中國去羞辱日本，幫中國主張武力可以直接打它，恐嚇日本，中國這麼做我不意外，我們在臺灣該採取這個立場嗎？","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:25:19.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:26:03.130000+08:00","text":"何況當時聯合國創立，一開始的過渡時期是這些發起戰爭國如果再重啟侵略戰爭，常任國可以直接發動軍事攻擊，不用經過安理會授權，後來在五○、六○年代，這些二戰的戰敗國都成為聯合國會員國之後，這個過渡條款基本上不用了，在1995年聯合國大會，當時中國也投贊成票，認為這個所謂可以直接制裁的條款已經過時，並不適用，我印象當年的表決是第五十條、第五十二條，這個條款已經作廢不用了，現在中國還拿出來，拿出來他也曉得不好意思，後來有下架，換小粉紅去弄。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:26:04.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:26:21.755000+08:00","text":"我希望我們臺灣的政界不要成為小粉紅去幫忙引用這一條，人家日本有權力去檢視它的安全事務，而它在檢視的過程中如果剛好對我們有利，基於好鄰居，我們發個聲幫忙理所當然。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:26:22.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:26:41.612000+08:00","text":"我們沒有要介入任何糾紛，任何認為是臺灣或日本引起糾紛的，都忘了一個核心命題，那就是中國才是這整個區域不安的麻煩製造者，它才是源頭，它不要以軍事方式想要打臺灣、想要弄菲律賓、想要弄日本，哪有集體自衛權？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:26:41.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:27:00.642000+08:00","text":"大家國防預算的GDP占比都可以再降一點，問題是它每一年7%的成長，超過8兆的投資，對周邊國家形成壓力，源頭不檢討，檢討受害者，我相信在歐盟，我最近看到歐盟的會議都在講，檢討受害者其實是幫獨裁者擦脂抹粉。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:27:01.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:27:54.194000+08:00","text":"我的時間到了，我提醒外交部跟國安局要研究三個事情，這一次高市真正重要的是在2026年開始啟動對話，2026年年底要完成三個安保文件的修正，從2015年安倍修改他們的安保法，把限於防衛改成主動積極，這一次高市早苗啟動的修正有三個方向我們要去思考，第一個，他要建構一個區域的安全防衛網絡，臺灣跟這個網絡其實是核心命題，卻因為外交關係，我們不容易在這裡面有角色，我們既是核心命題又因地緣政治的侷限，臺灣怎麼樣跟這個安全網絡建構，這牽涉到第一島鏈到第二島鏈。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:27:54.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:28:25.806000+08:00","text":"第二個，高市有要檢討所謂放寬防衛軍備的出口以及防衛軍備的合作，臺灣在它旁邊，我們民間長期就有工業合作，甚至於有些軍民通用（即商業跟軍用共用）的一些技術，日本跟臺灣的工業界都有在合作，怎麼樣在這個軍備合作或軍備輸出的情形上，對臺灣尋求最大利益。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:28:26.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:28:39.972000+08:00","text":"最後一個是C2的一體化，也就是指管系統一體化，日本已經要跟美國指管系統一體化，那臺灣要不要指管系統一體化、情報分享即時化？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:28:40.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:28:51.315000+08:00","text":"這個是由印太司令部及日本、韓國都有提出來，這對臺灣的國安局跟外交部，外交部也許不管指管，但國安局應該要跟國防部進行研究。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"王委員定宇","start":"2025-11-24T10:28:51.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-24T10:28:53.418000+08:00","text":"以上三個建議給各位，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳次長志中","start":"2025-11-24T10:28:53.918000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-24T10:28:55.060857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-24T10:28:55.360857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-24T10:28:59.646571+08:00","text":"謝謝王定宇召委的質詢，官員先請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（王委員定宇）","start":"2025-11-24T10:28:59.946571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-24T10:29:04.518000+08:00","text":"接下來進行詢答的委員是徐巧芯委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}