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跨年度的專案"},{"start":862.54,"end":877.287,"text":"可以嗎 資安的預算如果不足我們會想辦法來加強但我們希望民間大家有自己的這個意識才能夠公私合作但是現在也是需要資源啦好不好 我們幫大家爭取一下認同嗎 好不好跨年度的專案可以嗎 院長"},{"start":878.536,"end":892.68,"text":"既然您不認同59塊的便當費可以嗎?跨年期的專這不是我在申請好 謝謝那委員要先支持我們中央政府總預算我們都非常希望能夠有合理的編列明年的中央政府總預算要先審不好意思我先有限謝謝我們還是要來和院長談論最後的議題"},{"start":898.743,"end":912.854,"text":"這個錯誤打仗打到親愛人權在8月15號本席在這個地方遞交了我們錯殺數位賬號自救會5000人的這個自救的這個自救書結果我們相關的部會回應我們說14個月來"},{"start":915.516,"end":930.805,"text":"只有不到百件的申訴案件那我們遞交給院長到底到哪裡去了呢金管會14個月來79件速發布14個月來說只有6件申訴了那到底那些申訴那些血淚到哪裡去了呢所以院長"},{"start":931.505,"end":952.446,"text":"其實我們真的是希望能夠要求您部長不好意思我還沒有請您說話院長本席希望能夠要求向立法院以及全民給個交代第一單一申訴窗口第二定期公佈停權社廷賬號數量申訴以及恢復的數量第三檢討演算法第四不要拿民眾來實驗可以嗎"},{"start":972.015,"end":972.035,"text":"好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:19:41.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:19:44.479000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請行政院卓榮泰院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-25T11:19:44.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:19:54.868000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:19:54.868000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:19:55.868000+08:00","text":"葛委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:19:55.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:19:55.923000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:19:56.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:20:28.953000+08:00","text":"我想強化國家網路韌性，確保國家在天然災害、資安攻擊或者緊急的情況之下，我們還是持續有通訊網路可以使用、可以安全快速回復的機制，是行政院重要的施政目標，也是我們阿宅網友、鄉民非常重視的，唯有多管齊下去建立海纜、微波、衛星的混合網路架構，才能夠確保國家在單一系統受損的時候，仍然可以維持整體通訊的基本運作。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:20:29.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:20:50.168000+08:00","text":"不過，目前臺灣超過九成的國際網路流量依賴海底電纜傳輸，一旦有地震、船隻誤損，或者更嚴重的軍事行動、蓄意破壞，恐怕會導致臺灣對外的網路全面中斷，成為資訊孤島，這一點連國際社會都對臺灣感到非常地憂心。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:20:50.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:21:03.574000+08:00","text":"根據彭博社的報導，臺灣離斷網只剩下14條海底電纜的距離，只有建立多元異質的通訊網路，才能夠確保我們的通訊可以應變緊急災害的韌性。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:21:04.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:21:20.880000+08:00","text":"請院長看一下這張圖，這是行政院網站上公布的強化國家通訊網路韌性方案，包含現行的國家通訊網路架構，其中衛星的部分竟然只有一顆ST-2的同步軌道衛星。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:21:21.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:21:30.784000+08:00","text":"請教院長，目前非同步衛星的發展已經很成熟，非同步衛星包含中軌、低軌，請問為何沒有列入我國通訊網路的架構當中？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:21:31.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:21:38.066000+08:00","text":"我們有在積極發展低軌衛星，甚至跟其他國家合作要發射衛星，這個都在計畫當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:21:38.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:21:40.267000+08:00","text":"我們現在完全沒有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:21:40.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:21:42.088000+08:00","text":"所以我們現在只靠這一顆啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:21:42.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:21:43.569000+08:00","text":"有，我們現在有，現在有基本的服務。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:21:43.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:21:44.169000+08:00","text":"你說的是正在進行式嘛。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:21:44.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:21:45.369000+08:00","text":"對，基本的服務是有的。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:21:45.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:21:46.410000+08:00","text":"對嘛，那現在都沒有啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:21:47.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:21:48.362000+08:00","text":"所以我們要加快腳步。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:21:48.362000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:21:49.362000+08:00","text":"對，只剩下一顆。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:21:48.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:22:06.971000+08:00","text":"所以我要跟院長分享，低軌衛星在戰爭的時候非常地重要，如果發生戰爭，其他通訊的設施可能會被摧毀，低軌衛星就是重要的備援方案；另外一方面，平時也可以用於救災或維持偏遠地區的通訊。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:22:06.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:22:15.596000+08:00","text":"譬如我們可以看到日本由於山脈、島嶼眾多，高達四成的地區沒有訊號，臺灣也是很多山，對吧？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:22:15.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:22:24.660000+08:00","text":"Starlink以最新的衛星基礎，讓5G、4G的手機可以直接連結，做救災跟防災。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:22:24.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:22:33.344000+08:00","text":"另外，就在今天這個時刻，烏克蘭也已經開通了直接讓手機可以連線衛星，持續保有通訊。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:22:34.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:22:40.608000+08:00","text":"然而，目前行政院所屬的各部會，對於建構國家通訊韌性的立場實在是不一致。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:22:41.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:22:57.998000+08:00","text":"NCC主管的電信管理法第三十六條，仍然限制使用電信資源的公眾電信網路業者，其董事長要有中華民國國籍；設置使用電信資源之公眾電信網路者，其外國人持有的股份不得超過49%，直接及間接股份不能超過60%。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:22:59.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:23:10.525000+08:00","text":"數發部部長也在這裡，即便政府宣示以強化國家衛星通訊、國家通訊韌性為政策目標，但是受限於法規，臺灣其實距離多元通訊的網路還有很長的距離。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:23:10.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:23:15.407000+08:00","text":"所以院長，我們真的是想問，我們能不能更加多元？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:23:16.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:23:21.630000+08:00","text":"不是說以後，而是現在就能夠有更多元的衛星通訊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:23:21.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:23:41.428000+08:00","text":"前幾天還有報告指出，2022年俄羅斯入侵烏克蘭的時候，本來莫斯科要遮蔽衛星通訊的網路，但是因為SpaceX的衛星Starlink有超過5,000顆，現在已經到8,000顆了，透過一些程式的更新，立刻讓他們的干擾失效。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:23:42.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:23:46.532000+08:00","text":"現在還有中國在研究要透過無人機來遮蓋。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:23:46.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:23:54.675000+08:00","text":"如果我們只有一顆，這其實影響非常地大，如果連結的衛星數量不夠多，很可能一瞬間就會被電磁屏障。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:23:55.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:24:05.279000+08:00","text":"所以我們希望的是，要確保國安，就不能只靠那一顆衛星，別人已經把答案都告訴我們了，我們不能只依賴那個唯一。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:24:06.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:24:23.529000+08:00","text":"現在非常多的業者都已經提供800顆甚至8,000顆，但是我們的電信法自民國47年制定以來，到現在僵化了70年，在108年雖然又公布施行電信管理法，但是完全跟不上現在的時代，從那個時候到現在，完全沒有改。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:24:24.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:24:28.392000+08:00","text":"我們剛剛又提到，烏克蘭今天才剛宣布，手機可以直連Starlink。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:24:29.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:24:55.383000+08:00","text":"院長，我們必須料敵從寬、禦敵從嚴，強化衛星通訊的韌性、通訊整體多元的韌性，就是強化國安，也要維護我們民眾自由接取網路通訊的服務，所以能不能夠責成NCC及數發部研議並重新檢討電信管理法的相關規定，讓臺灣的天空能夠向全世界可以信賴的衛星服務開放？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:24:55.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:25:01.906000+08:00","text":"我請林部長跟陳主委，就我們已經在進行的以及可以公開向委員說明的部分做說明。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹：向委員報告兩點","start":"2025-11-25T11:25:04.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:25:20.121000+08:00","text":"第一點，電信管理法第三十六條關於外資的規定，其實相對的不是問題，目前中華電信高軌、中軌、低軌都有到位，明年也有另外一顆同步衛星──高軌衛星會到位。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹：向委員報告兩點","start":"2025-11-25T11:25:20.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:25:26.986000+08:00","text":"另外，委員提到的，外資是不是會造成國外衛星體系落地臺灣的困擾？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹：向委員報告兩點","start":"2025-11-25T11:25:26.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:25:31.050000+08:00","text":"其實不會的，我們這個規定是在電信法時期就訂了，電信法時期的海纜其實都有這種規定。","quality":0.649},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:25:31.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:25:45.273000+08:00","text":"對不起，我打斷您，你們過去講到其他的一些公司要進來，都用這個51%、都用臺灣人，你現在又說沒有關係，法條就在那裡，所以我們能不能來研議修法？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:25:47.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:25:48.094000+08:00","text":"不要拖我時間，不好意思。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2025-11-25T11:25:49.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:25:54.155000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，OneWeb進來其實就是跟中華電信合作，它一樣是符合第三十六條的規定。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:25:55.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:06.900000+08:00","text":"院長，我跟您報告，NCC其實今年8月就有書面答復交通委員會，表示審酌產業發展可以調適監理法規，現在就是最好的時機，院長可不可以允諾一下？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:07.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:08.821000+08:00","text":"我們已經有在做了，請部長說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:08.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:16.244000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，您剛才提到只有一顆衛星，應該指的是高軌的同步衛星，事實上我們現在有中軌……ST-2。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:16.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:24.148000+08:00","text":"也有低軌，低軌的OneWeb我們已經運行一年多了，我們中軌衛星現在譬如說在東沙之類，這個早就已經通信了……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:24.148000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:25.148000+08:00","text":"對不起，部長，打斷你……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:24.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:25.609000+08:00","text":"這個我們都已經有了……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:26.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:28.451000+08:00","text":"OneWeb只有800顆……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:28.451000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:29.451000+08:00","text":"我們現在還在跟Kuiper……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:28.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:40.117000+08:00","text":"方向……而且它高度是1,200公里，很容易被遮蔽，我們應該要開放，讓更多的多元通訊能夠來保衛臺灣，我們是不是一起來研議修法？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:40.117000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:43.259000+08:00","text":"是，這一點我們完全同意委員說法，事實上我們現在低軌有OneWeb，也有Kuiper……","quality":0.237},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:43.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:44.079000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，對不起！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:44.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:48.201000+08:00","text":"我跟院長說話，不好意思，部長麻煩您，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:48.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:26:57.364000+08:00","text":"院長，本席認為我們所面臨的挑戰真的非常嚴峻，院長能不能承諾由行政院協調數發部跟NCC參採？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:26:57.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:05.606000+08:00","text":"我們剛剛已經看到日本、烏克蘭都已經通過了、都已經手機可以直連了，你現在跟我講什麼1,200公里的！","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:06.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:20.649000+08:00","text":"沒有關係，院長，我們可不可以承諾評估，在必要的時候以專案的方式許可我們可以信賴的外國衛星，而且是排名前幾的，能夠更多元地向臺灣來提供衛星服務，可以嗎？院長。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:21.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:25.853000+08:00","text":"剛剛部長已經說明過了，我們的低軌衛星已經運行一段時間了……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:26.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:27.134000+08:00","text":"我們現在還沒辦法連線啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:27.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:29.415000+08:00","text":"烏克蘭已經連線啦！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:29.415000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:30.415000+08:00","text":"OneWeb已經在運作了。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:30.415000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:31.415000+08:00","text":"沒有，院長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:30.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:31.897000+08:00","text":"對，我們照我們的期程在進行了。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:32.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:36.040000+08:00","text":"我們這個電信管理法有沒有機會來研議修正，可以嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:37.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:38.743000+08:00","text":"大家真的非常擔憂啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:39.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:46.388000+08:00","text":"日本、烏克蘭已經可以了，不要再跟我講以後，我們現在真的卡在這個電信管理法這裡，院長可不可以承諾？","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:46.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:51.751000+08:00","text":"修法是與時俱進，但要修得合理，不要修得不能用或是轉成其他問題。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:51.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:27:54.712000+08:00","text":"好，所以如果合理，我們就一起來努力，可以嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2025-11-25T11:27:54.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:28:08.562000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，關於電信管理法第三十六條有關外資比例之限制，事實上是臺灣加入WTO時候的承諾，所以適用於所有會員國，其規定須具備一致性跟……","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:28:08.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:28:19.677000+08:00","text":"不好意思，我打斷你，事實上，你們去調查一下ST-2的衛星，新加坡占比是62%，也完全違反你們相關的規定，所以相關的規定要趕快鬆綁，可以嗎？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:28:19.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:28:20.578000+08:00","text":"院長，可不可以承諾我們進行研議調適？謝謝。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:28:20.578000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:28:21.578000+08:00","text":"我們可以檢討。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2025-11-25T11:28:21.578000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:28:22.578000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，手機直連……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:28:22.578000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:28:23.578000+08:00","text":"部長，不好意思，我必須打斷你，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:28:23.578000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:28:24.578000+08:00","text":"接下來我們還要和院長提到交通科技。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:28:24.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:28:25.184000+08:00","text":"近期特斯拉提出FSD的安全報告，顯示這個技術已經成熟，而且超過人類駕駛，甚至更加安全。","quality":0.564},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:28:25.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:28:58.203000+08:00","text":"昨天韓國已經推出了FSD，是亞洲第二個獲得相關的市場；日本也預計在明年第一季、第二季會推出；接下來其實英國2025年要更新；德國12月就要開放了。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:28:59.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:29:05.247000+08:00","text":"請問院長，我們現在事實上根據……請交通部如果可以的話上來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:29:07.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:29:21.845000+08:00","text":"特斯拉大約於2、3個月前有來詢問FSD的申請程序，請問院長：第一，臺灣能不能循其他國家的模式，至少在明年邁出自動駕駛法制化程序的第一步？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:29:22.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:29:24.567000+08:00","text":"否則我們現在還在做什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:29:26.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:29:31.230000+08:00","text":"在這些先進的國家，每一個人一天可能節省1、2個小時，這是效率的問題。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:29:31.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:29:37.373000+08:00","text":"第二，能否比照其他國家的作法，讓FSD逐步進行一般道路的測試。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:29:37.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:29:38.174000+08:00","text":"院長可不可以承諾？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:29:38.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:29:46.618000+08:00","text":"我們配合國家各種產業的進化，以及世界上如果有先進的這種技術，能夠讓我們共同研發……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:29:46.618000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:29:47.618000+08:00","text":"已經上路了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:29:46.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:29:48.539000+08:00","text":"我們當然法制化可以來跟得上腳步。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:29:49.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:30:00.467000+08:00","text":"謝謝，真的是希望能夠看到搭載臺灣生產的晶片，由大量臺灣工程師投入研發的自駕車，結果現在臺灣不能上路，我們希望可以跟院長一起努力。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:30:01.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:30:21.259000+08:00","text":"另外，無獨有偶，我們剛剛提到的FSD是針對自用車，近來中美科技巨頭百度、Waymo在2026年要在英國倫敦進行無人計程車的實驗，北加州、南加州也都已經開放，結果我們向交通部詢問，現在我們還在無人載具科技創新實驗條例。","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:30:21.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:30:26.241000+08:00","text":"別人已經上路、開通了，我們還在實驗或實驗失敗。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:30:26.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:30:32.324000+08:00","text":"AI內閣把無人載具的AI法令束之高閣，我想這不是民眾想看到的。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:30:33.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:30:42.411000+08:00","text":"所有專家都說2026年是自駕車及自駕計程車最重大的一年，我們有非常的法令，準備好給院長來表現。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:30:42.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:31:00.844000+08:00","text":"院長，可不可以請您承諾，由行政院協調交通部、經濟部以及其他部會建立跨部會的平臺，針對無人載具及自駕車的科技研議修法可行性，讓臺灣人可以擺脫交通科技三等公民的污名，可不可以請院長承諾？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:31:01.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:31:12.553000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們在明年中央政府總預算裡面有一個政策是AI新十大建設，當中就有AI機器人跟無人載具。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:31:13.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:31:17.737000+08:00","text":"好，所以這一塊的法規該修正的可能還是要修正，因為各國都已經上路了，好不好？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:31:17.737000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:31:18.758000+08:00","text":"我們會配合。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:31:18.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:31:26.344000+08:00","text":"請院長能夠責成建立跨部會的平臺，我們一起努力研議修法的可行性，既然有十大建設，修法可行性應該要研議了，對吧？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:31:26.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:31:29.330000+08:00","text":"當然需要配合整個法制化的過程。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:31:29.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:31:37.940000+08:00","text":"我想再先進的科技也要以資安跟數位人權為基礎，接下來要跟院長討論資安數位人權的議題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:31:39.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:31:45.489000+08:00","text":"根據水桶理論，短板的那邊會漏水，事實上，我們的民間企業很需要幫助。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:31:46.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:31:57.952000+08:00","text":"今年8月謝謝數發部，我們立院三讀通過資通安全管理法的修正，第四條增訂政府應協助民間處理、因應及防範重大資通安全事件。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:31:58.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:32:29.035000+08:00","text":"我們已經賦予資安的公私協力明確的法源依據，這一點我要特別肯定，也感謝數發部林部長非常用心地要推進，然後受限於資源不足，事實上，目前政府投入公私協力治理的經費，每年1億元，而且是每年要持續，並沒有連續的，168萬中小企業，平均每家只能分到59塊，連一個便當都買不起，怎麼能進行資安防護？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:32:29.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:32:47.305000+08:00","text":"我沒有要批評，我是希望為大家來爭取，能不能請行政院研議，針對推動我國中小企業資安聯防給予跨年期的專案計畫，讓我國能夠儘快補強資安最薄弱的一環，這一點院長能不能來承諾？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2025-11-25T11:32:48.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:32:49.446000+08:00","text":"這個沒有問題啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2025-11-25T11:32:50.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:32:50.406000+08:00","text":"非常感謝委員的支持。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:32:50.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:32:52.067000+08:00","text":"不好意思，我知道您認同。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:32:52.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:32:55.528000+08:00","text":"院長，可不可以承諾資安跨年期的專案？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:32:56.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:32:59.490000+08:00","text":"想必部長也是非常認同，院長，您能不能承諾？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:33:00.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:33:04.590000+08:00","text":"如果是資安的問題，當然我們非常地重視……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:33:04.590000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:33:05.590000+08:00","text":"因為1億元分來分去，59塊不到……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:33:04.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-25T11:33:09.772000+08:00","text":"但你說資安預算每家企業59元，這段話我倒不怎麼了解……","quality":0.864},{"speake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1:34:57.946000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:34:59.946000+08:00","text":"數發部都有在做。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2025-11-25T11:35:00.246000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:35:14.531714+08:00","text":"我們都已經在做了，民眾的那些問題我們都主動去解決了，我們沒有等到他去申訴，所以申訴數量可能會比較少一點，謝謝。","quality":0.04},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-25T11:35:14.831714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:35:16.831714+08:00","text":"我們會繼續關注。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2025-11-25T11:35:17.131714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:35:26.846000+08:00","text":"可以請您問一下院長，我們當初交了幾千份申訴書，請您累計進去可以嗎？謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-25T11:35:27.146000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:35:34.288857+08:00","text":"謝謝葛如鈞委員質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-25T11:35:34.588857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:35:45.731714+08:00","text":"報告院會，議場2樓旁聽的是來自臺北市大安區民炤里社區發展協會的好朋友們，我們掌聲歡迎。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-25T11:35:46.031714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-25T11:35:51.460286+08:00","text":"接下來請吳琪銘委員質詢，邱議瑩委員請準備。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}