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再來問一下因為行政院私下都跟中小企業有一些中小企業傳出來的說好像關稅在這個禮拜就會定案之前我們都非常的關心有關於美國所提出來的非關稅貿易障礙特別是農產品盒會進來台灣然後甚至於美豬美牛要比過去更開放農業部有得到消息了嗎因為如果這樣的話農業部要因應"},{"start":248.593,"end":255.426,"text":"可能因應之前要規劃不可能說發生了之後才開始因應所以農業部現在已經有得到消息了"},{"start":255.894,"end":282.75,"text":"我想基本上我們農業部並不了解什麼時候會開放就是會簽署這樣的一個台美關稅的一個協定但是相對的在談判過程中我們一直在爭取的就是確保我們的糧食安全還有我們產業永續的部分我覺得就是說開放那它開放到什麼程度影響的產業你們這一定都要評估我想我們都有做內部的一些評估所以如果說"},{"start":283.57,"end":307.627,"text":"譬如說談判代表那邊是等到可以公佈在同步告訴農業部那你的反應就慢點啊我們在談判過程中我們都有參與你有參與所以你已經知道大概開放的程度了你已經知道了大方向大方向是了解但是因為要繞到文本繞到文本的時候還沒有辦法所以大方向現在是要開放什麼"},{"start":308.553,"end":333.774,"text":"我想因為現在目前本身我們本沒有簽之前還在談判過程中所以你已經知道了所以會開放相關的農產品進來只是你現在還沒有簽不能說嘛但是你已經知道是什麼所以你已經有因應之道這樣講應該沒有超過你剛剛講的範圍我跟委員報告美國的農產品一直有進來一直有進來那只是在關稅的問題關稅的減讓的問題那當然啦那當然啦所以這個部分委員我們的質詢時間到了"},{"start":336.876,"end":344.225,"text":"不同的品項太多了有不同的情境我們都會充分的準備好謝謝好謝謝謝謝葉元智委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:18:27.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:18:29.942000+08:00","text":"麻煩請部長，謝謝。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-27T12:18:29.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:18:36.088000+08:00","text":"請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-11-27T12:18:36.088000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-27T12:18:37.088000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:18:36.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:18:51.642000+08:00","text":"部長，跟你請教一下，之前的毒蛋事件已經兩個禮拜了，全臺有好幾個縣市發現毒蛋，像新北市也有1萬顆，但大家現在都不知道出現毒蛋的原因到底是什麼，現在有最後的調查結果嗎？","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:18:55.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:18:56.264000+08:00","text":"我說的是芬普尼蛋。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-11-27T12:18:57.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:19:12.814000+08:00","text":"基本上後市場稽查是環境部的部分，然後前端的部分，因為芬普尼是環境用藥，在環境用藥的過程中，我們也查到他可能有一些違法用藥的部分，這個部分地方政府也已經裁罰了。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:19:13.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:19:19.465000+08:00","text":"所以現在確定是那個個案的養雞場，它在環境上面違法用藥？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-11-27T12:19:20.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:19:30.057000+08:00","text":"對，現在看起來，我跟委員報告，我們也同時擴大了周遭的還有其他各縣市的養雞場也去查了，到目前為止並沒有查到有違法的部分。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:19:30.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:19:34.602000+08:00","text":"對，都沒有，那站在農業部的角度，針對這一個個案的養雞場做了什麼輔導措施？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-11-27T12:19:35.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:19:48.706000+08:00","text":"第一個部分就是會用這樣的藥，表示他的禽場管理是比較不好的，才會用這個殺蟲的環境用藥，所以我們會輔導這些禽舍本身，看有沒有辦法再升級，然後……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:19:49.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:19:50.047000+08:00","text":"已經在做了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-11-27T12:19:50.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:19:55.989000+08:00","text":"我們過去幾年一直在做，但是相對的禽舍一旦改建的時候……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:19:55.989000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-27T12:19:56.989000+08:00","text":"就是有限嘛，所以才會發生這種事件。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-11-27T12:19:56.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:20:09.473000+08:00","text":"沒有，不是，改建的時候會造成鄰避效應，大家會擔心它會擴建，所以在重新申請執照的時候會比較困難，但是我們一直跟地方政府在溝通，看看可不可以化解這樣子的一個周遭的鄰避……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:20:09.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:20:21.846000+08:00","text":"簡單講站在農業部的立場是，因為這個個案他自己用環境用藥，然後加上他的禽舍狀況比較不好，所以就污染到了，你們調查的結果是這樣？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-11-27T12:20:21.846000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-27T12:20:22.846000+08:00","text":"對，就是禽場環境不好的時候……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:20:21.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:20:29.991000+08:00","text":"那希望部長可以針對類似的環境多輔導一下，因為現在大家很重視食安，發現一件，大家都會恐慌……了解。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:20:30.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:20:34.635000+08:00","text":"不要說好像事件過了，大家忘記了，好像就沒這回事了。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-11-27T12:20:35.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:20:39.679000+08:00","text":"不會，我們會記取這個教訓，像114年我們就輔導了50場的禽舍改建……","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:20:40.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:20:46.365000+08:00","text":"是，但就是沒有達到百分之百的效果，所以兩個禮拜前才會發生這個事件嘛。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:20:46.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:21:17.309000+08:00","text":"第二個，可能也要注意一下飼料的污染問題，因為我有聽一些養雞業界的人的說法，他們是說比如說，蛋雞跟肉雞可以吃的飼料的用藥容許量不一樣，結果發生可能在送飼料的過程當中，原本是送給肉雞吃的飼料，後來污染到送給蛋雞吃的飼料，結果蛋雞吃了以後，就超過了它的一些用藥標準，這個部分，部長你……","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-11-27T12:21:17.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:21:22.113000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，飼料不能添加芬普尼的成分，而且飼料如果說……","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2025-11-27T12:21:22.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-27T12:2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