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衛福部長麻煩請衛福部長備詢你都準備打仗了我不知道你他我們的邏輯啦 要打仗了我們的醫療準備好沒好"},{"start":817.561,"end":839.533,"text":"我找到一個數字台灣的健保全世界第一台灣的健保全世界第一但是這個最新資料"},{"start":844.88,"end":848.942,"text":"時間暫停 待會是要等資料的時間繼續"},{"start":857.245,"end":880.707,"text":"2023年就是最新最update全球生物製藥的韌性指數排名台灣第11名我們健保是第一名這個製藥第11名比較新加坡第5名韓國第12名這個資料來源是什麼資料來源是Global Health Security Index GHS Index"},{"start":881.789,"end":903.13,"text":"OECD統計來 大家看這個示標第一個 每千人的醫生傳輸不夠醫療用品供應鏈不夠這個營運的韌性都不夠等等的其實這裡面我最想問的就是你準備暫時有沒有準備地下醫院我兩年前問了薛樂園兩年後 兩年來有沒有做哪些東西"},{"start":904.39,"end":918.501,"text":"跟委員報告我們確實有一些新建醫院朝向有地下的作業的能力像南部的新的醫院也有中部現在也在規劃北部也在規劃"},{"start":920.21,"end":943.425,"text":"另外就是像這個以色列一樣有時候是把地下的停車場可以做平站的轉換所以這也是一種運作方式我跟院長講啦 我聽你講院長 打仗會傷人 打仗會死人啦這個你的錢 一兆兩千多億要多一些錢給衛護部啦要多一些給衛護部"},{"start":959.699,"end":960.6,"text":"好 谢谢赖斯保"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:01:25.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:01:28.341000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席韓院長、卓院長以及各位先進。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:01:28.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:01:32.065000+08:00","text":"有請行政院卓院長以及環境部彭部長，兩位一起。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-28T16:01:33.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:01:35.769000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長、環境部長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:01:47.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:01:47.643000+08:00","text":"賴委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:01:48.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:01:48.884000+08:00","text":"辛苦了，院長！","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:01:48.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:01:51.125000+08:00","text":"我看你是做得很努力啦！","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:01:53.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:02.871000+08:00","text":"但是你前幾天講的話，你說民進黨黨團有無力感，你會不會有無力感？有啊！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:03.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:05.433000+08:00","text":"很有無力感？對啊！挫折？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:06.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:08.654000+08:00","text":"挫折是不會啦！委屈？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:09.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:12.677000+08:00","text":"委屈，談不上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:12.677000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:13.677000+08:00","text":"有一點？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:13.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:15.618000+08:00","text":"就是很多事情總認為可以順利做……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:15.618000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:17.391000+08:00","text":"你會不會鬱卒？鬱卒？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:17.391000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:19.164000+08:00","text":"不會啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:19.164000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:20.937000+08:00","text":"鬱卒傷身體。啊？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:20.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:26.799000+08:00","text":"就是有些認為應該可以很順利去做的事情，當中卻產生了很多的波折。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:27.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:31.401000+08:00","text":"院長，這件事情沒有兩個銅板敲不響啦！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:32.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:39.404000+08:00","text":"你對立法院8次提覆議，這就是8次打立法院巴掌！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:39.404000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:40.404000+08:00","text":"不是啦！我們……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:39.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:39.784000+08:00","text":"老實講，你聽我講！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:39.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:40.404000+08:00","text":"我們是被動的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:40.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:02:44.146000+08:00","text":"我再強調一遍，我質詢請你先不要插嘴，我講完再讓你講。好。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:02:46.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:03:00.872000+08:00","text":"行政院如果真的有版本，我們等了一年多，你那時候可以在我們立法院11月14號討論的時候拿進來啊，那時候不拿進來，如果那時候拿進來，very welcome！","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:03:03.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:03:16.382000+08:00","text":"大家好好討論，結果你這樣，人家通過了，然後你就提覆議，每次覆議我們就否決，老實講，我都很同情你啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:03:17.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:03:19.687000+08:00","text":"打也打不贏，對不對？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:03:19.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:03:26.877000+08:00","text":"每次在這裡文也輸、武也輸，還硬要撞，不撞南牆不回頭啊！","quality":0.522},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:03:27.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:03:30.002000+08:00","text":"你是撞了南牆還不回，你現在是這樣耶！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:03:31.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:03:36.263000+08:00","text":"老實講，我替你可憐啦！","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:03:36.263000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:03:37.263000+08:00","text":"可不可以讓我回答一句？","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:03:36.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:03:36.884000+08:00","text":"好，回答一句。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:03:38.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:03:51.851000+08:00","text":"11月14號通過的案子，我11月11號禮拜二在這裡的質詢就說，我下個禮拜四院會會通過院版，可是我禮拜二講，禮拜五這裡就通過了，我有什麼辦法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:03:52.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:03:58.355000+08:00","text":"這個不是我今天的重點，只是我看你可憐，讓你抒解一下啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:03:58.355000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:03:59.355000+08:00","text":"你說黨團……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:03:59.355000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:04:00.355000+08:00","text":"可憐，你支持就不可憐啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:04:00.355000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:04:01.355000+08:00","text":"我是覺得你很可憐，做不下去，這樣實在是……真的，你需要韓院長大力幫你啦！","quality":0.033},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:04:01.355000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:04:02.355000+08:00","text":"Ask for help from the president, from Han！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:04:02.355000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:04:03.355000+08:00","text":"好好拜託他。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:03:59.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:04:00.176000+08:00","text":"我也希望韓院長能夠幫忙啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:04:00.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:04:01.276000+08:00","text":"韓院長也想幫忙，我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:04:01.276000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:04:12.341500+08:00","text":"不然你在這裡寸步難行啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:04:12.341500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:04:23.407000+08:00","text":"真的，可憐啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:04:23.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:04:28.270000+08:00","text":"當然，除了可憐還是給要給你鼓勵，你很努力，但是都用錯地方。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:04:28.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:04:44.218000+08:00","text":"來看一下COP28，今年是COP30，讓全球核能產量在2050年翻3倍，世界的COP，歐盟的核能占比是23%，臺灣占多少？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:04:47.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:04:50.504000+08:00","text":"現在是零、zero、鴨蛋。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:04:51.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:05:28.874000+08:00","text":"氣候變遷績效指標（CCPI）評鑑全世界63個國家，臺灣在2026年排名為第59名，63個國家排名第59，非常差（very low），這個東西我就要問了，環境部部長在這裡，現在還不能講話……大家引頸盼望脖子伸長長的啦，就等著看核二、核三，核三比較簡單啦，你們開始做安全安檢，可能會給它延役，是不是？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:05:30.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:05:33.777000+08:00","text":"大概一年半以後安檢會通過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:05:35.725000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:05:43.669000+08:00","text":"他正通過核安會提出的可以再運轉的計畫，現在是台電提出一個自主安全檢查……","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:05:43.669000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:05:44.669000+08:00","text":"對，我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:05:44.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:05:53.913000+08:00","text":"只要進入到這個程序之後，依照台電的說法是這個程序開始之後，可能是一年半至兩年，再送請核安會來做最後的核定。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:05:54.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:00.696000+08:00","text":"所以我們可不可以這樣講，我們可以預計2027年核三可以重啟或者說延役好了？","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:02.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:09.794000+08:00","text":"在安全無虞的狀況底下，整個設備如果當中有必須汰舊換新的一些設備，必須要安全無虞。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:11.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:20.145000+08:00","text":"對啦，我知道啦，我們就講最樂觀的情況我們可以期待2027核三延役，是不是可以這樣講？2027核三……對，2027。","quality":0.649},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:23.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:24.552000+08:00","text":"如果安全都無虞的狀況底下，而且如果必須……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:24.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:29.957000+08:00","text":"你要很快的說Yes、Yes，Yes, I do.因為對你選舉有幫助啊！","quality":0.633},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:29.957000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:31.318000+08:00","text":"你要說Yes, I do.","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:31.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:36.903000+08:00","text":"我不是考量選舉，我考量的是核安全，不能只考量選舉，考量是核能安全……","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:36.903000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:37.903000+08:00","text":"你現在都考量選舉，怎麼說不是考量選舉？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:37.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:39.545000+08:00","text":"如果核能安全度可以，是能往這個時程來做規劃的。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:39.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:43.789000+08:00","text":"核二我們也希望儘快，核二比較慢一點，因為他比較複雜嘛，對吧！","quality":0.731},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:43.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:48.793000+08:00","text":"來，我就請教彭部長，你有沒有參加COP30？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:49.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:50.043000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:50.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:55.207000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我必須尊重我們外交特別的處境，我有多元的參與。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:55.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:56.508000+08:00","text":"你有參與嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:06:56.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:06:58.449000+08:00","text":"我有多元的參與。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:00.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:01.992000+08:00","text":"歷屆環境部長都有參與喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:02.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:08.136000+08:00","text":"張子敬有參與，薛富盛有參與，工研院用NGO的觀察委員，你去了喔！","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:09.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:14.301000+08:00","text":"你去巴西（Brazil）啊，但是你為什麼不參加外交部的晚宴呢？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:15.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:28.672000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我有參加一些很重要的活動，但是因為我必須要顧及非常難得的我們創造出來的機會，所以我必須尊重當地支持我們的國際的朋友。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:28.672000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:31.863500+08:00","text":"沒有啦，回到這個問題，為什麼你不參加晚宴？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:31.863500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:35.055000+08:00","text":"好歹你是我們國家的部長（Minister），你可以在這裡面……","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:35.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:41.198000+08:00","text":"報告委員，晚宴有非常多元，非常多元，我只是沒有參加某一個晚宴而已，但是我必須說……","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:41.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:43.200000+08:00","text":"最正式的你沒有參加喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:43.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:44.821000+08:00","text":"喔，這個我們還有更正式的。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:46.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:47.344000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，最正式是你沒有參加喔！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:47.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:47.884000+08:00","text":"還有更正式的，還有更正式的。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:48.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:49.726000+08:00","text":"你參加的名字是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:49.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:53.850000+08:00","text":"不好意思，因為我必須要尊重當地非常支持我們的外國的朋友！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:54.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:54.391000+08:00","text":"怎麼這麼奇怪？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:07:54.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:07:58.915000+08:00","text":"以前的部長參加WHA Minister of Health用Chinese Taipei……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:03.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:07.541000+08:00","text":"報告委員，巴西這個國家的處境跟別的國家是不大一樣的，我們也必須給我們外國、我們駐館人員非常大的……","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:08.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:12.704000+08:00","text":"巴西比較怕老共，你就是這個意思？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:13.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:14.525000+08:00","text":"我不能這樣說。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:14.525000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:15.525000+08:00","text":"就這個意思啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:14.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:16.426000+08:00","text":"但是我們有很多支持我們的人。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:16.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:17.486000+08:00","text":"就這個意思啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:18.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:19.527000+08:00","text":"我們也必須支持我們的人。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:20.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:22.249000+08:00","text":"院長，聽好喔，這是我們的官員沒有肩膀的託詞！","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:23.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:26.369000+08:00","text":"沒有，委員，我們是發揮到我們的極致……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:26.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:36.077000+08:00","text":"你宣誓當部長，有宣誓喔，在立法院要講實話，知無不言，言無不盡，你要講實話，你現在是蓋牌講謊話！","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:37.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:48.903000+08:00","text":"我沒有講謊話，我們真的是積極多元的去參與，但是這個是難得在國際上給我們一個非常好的參與的機會，我必須去尊重、支持我們的國際上的朋友。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:49.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:51.044000+08:00","text":"來啦，這樣的晚宴（banquet）有幾個啦？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:51.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:52.764000+08:00","text":"你可不可以告訴我參加幾個啦？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:53.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:53.744000+08:00","text":"有幾個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:53.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:54.825000+08:00","text":"然後你參加幾個？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:55.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:56.205000+08:00","text":"非常多個，而且我們也……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:56.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:08:57.585000+08:00","text":"好，有非常多個，但你參加一個啊！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:08:58.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:00.486000+08:00","text":"你就參加一個而已啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:09:01.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:02.747000+08:00","text":"正式的這沒有參加啊，就這樣啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:09:03.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:06.849000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們那個是正式的，我們有正式的活動。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:09:06.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:09.210000+08:00","text":"你都不說，你只講這個是正式、那個是正式？","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:09:09.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:12.071000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為我們臺灣的外交處境，如果沒有人這樣……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:09:12.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:13.191000+08:00","text":"我知道啦，我知道啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:09:13.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:14.272000+08:00","text":"你不能這樣說啦！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:09:14.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:20.855000+08:00","text":"你有挫折就推給對岸就好啊，臺灣的官員很好做啦！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:09:21.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:21.655000+08:00","text":"院長，臺灣的官員很好做啦！","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:09:21.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:25.657000+08:00","text":"委員，在馬前總統時代以前也是這樣，這個不是我們願不願意主觀的問題。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:09:25.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:29.838000+08:00","text":"好，請回，因為我的時間有限，請回，我對你回答是很失望的，請回。","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2025-11-28T16:09:30.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:38.860000+08:00","text":"不過報告委員，你剛才說的COP資料是有錯誤的，因為COP28並沒有說核能「翻3倍」，只是某些國家，但是再生能源是提高3倍。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:09:39.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:09:45.082000+08:00","text":"好啦，請回，我的資料是很準的。","quality":0.917},{"speake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in節目每台都在講……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:11:35.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:11:39.195000+08:00","text":"總統府已經很清楚的說明過，請委員依照總統府的正確說法。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:11:41.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:11:45.061000+08:00","text":"但是我們都是揭露賴清德總統的說法……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:11:45.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:11:46.342000+08:00","text":"不是，總統府……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:11:46.342000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:11:47.342000+08:00","text":"賴清德總統被人家說……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:11:46.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:11:49.124000+08:00","text":"總統府的說法，就是總統的說法，這樣是正確的說法。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:11:49.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:11:50.045000+08:00","text":"正確說法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:11:50.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:12:16.277000+08:00","text":"那個話說出去收不回來，所以賴清德總統說假訊息，他講謊話，正確的是「的準備」，他原本第一次講的時候「的準備」沒有講，所以老實講，他應該要向全民道歉，或者是他要自己說明他原來是口誤，也都可以，沒關係，人也會講錯話嘛，講壞了，對不對？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:12:16.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:12:17.818000+08:00","text":"他的意思就是如此。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:12:18.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:12:22.159000+08:00","text":"但是小編怎麼會在臉書把它改了呢？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:12:22.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:12:27.961000+08:00","text":"加一個「的準備」，是他去改的，總統一國之尊，怎麼可以這樣？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:12:27.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:12:28.581000+08:00","text":"小編就把它改了……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:12:28.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:12:30.882000+08:00","text":"這才是總統真正原來的意思。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:12:31.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:12:43.406000+08:00","text":"他的意思，但是他嘴巴講就不是這樣講，每一台電視臺包括綠媒把它錄出來，就是2027完成攻臺，沒有「的準備」啊！","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:12:43.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:12:50.651000+08:00","text":"委員已經知道總統真正的意思，所以以後就請委員依照總統真正的意思來對所有國人做說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:12:51.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:13:03.361000+08:00","text":"我們hearing is believing，聽到的就相信，賴總統說：中共完成2027攻臺。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:13:03.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:13:05.603000+08:00","text":"那委員還是沒有照正確的講法啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:13:07.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:13:08.866000+08:00","text":"這個不要這樣拗啦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:13:08.866000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:13:09.866000+08:00","text":"你剛剛已經知道啦！","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:13:09.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:13:22.019000+08:00","text":"講錯話沒關係，不能這樣拗，老實講，賴清德總統最好的方式，就是應該出來講清楚，而不是靠小編幫他加三個字「的準備」，不好看啦！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:13:23.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:13:50.802000+08:00","text":"但是我要跟你強調一個東西，這個案子就是典型的選舉要到了，老共也沒有啊，老共從來沒有一個時間表，2027是他建軍的短期目標，他沒有講2027要打臺灣，從來沒有講過，美國印太司令部的司令是他們為了想要得到一些經費，所以就把這個時間抓出來說：喔！","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:13:50.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:13:53.423000+08:00","text":"這天要打臺灣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:13:53.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:14:15.032000+08:00","text":"老共從來沒有講這個話，結果現在總統拿這句話，主要重點都很清楚嘛，要1.25兆這麼多錢，400億美金，我們關稅談判要投資4,000億美金，現在要送400億美金，到底我們要給多少，他才滿意啦！","quality":0.819},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:14:15.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:14:23.897000+08:00","text":"台積電也去了、機密也偷了，配合美國機密送給Intel了，我們臺灣到底要被掏空到什麼地方，他才會甘願？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:14:23.897000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:14:27.495000+08:00","text":"說起來很可憐，臺灣像殖民地啊！","quality":0.077},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:14:27.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:14:36.157000+08:00","text":"台積電是產業自主的投資，軍購是基於國防需要，我們針對我們的財政能力所做的一些計算跟購買計畫……","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:14:36.157000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:14:37.157000+08:00","text":"衛福部長一起來，好不好？","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:14:36.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:14:36.477000+08:00","text":"來，衛福部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-28T16:14:36.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:14:38.117000+08:00","text":"麻煩請衛福部長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:14:38.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:14:40.178000+08:00","text":"你都準備打仗了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2025-11-28T16:14:40.178000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:14:42.738000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:14:42.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:14:52.500000+08:00","text":"套用你們的邏輯啦，要打仗了，我們的醫療準備好了沒有？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2025-11-28T16:14:52.500000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:14:54.030500+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:14:54.030500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:14:55.561000+08:00","text":"不要急，等我問完你再講。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:14:55.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:15:08.388000+08:00","text":"我找到一個數字，AOL報導指出臺灣健保是全世界第一！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:15:08.388000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:15:11.610000+08:00","text":"NO.1！讚！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:15:11.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:15:17.513000+08:00","text":"臺灣的健保全世界第一，但是最新資料……怎麼不見了？","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-28T16:15:22.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:15:26.722000+08:00","text":"時間暫停，賴委員要等資料是不是？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:15:26.722000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:15:27.722000+08:00","text":"簡報畫面沒有出來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-28T16:15:26.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:15:26.942000+08:00","text":"時間繼續。謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:15:35.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:15:51.540000+08:00","text":"2023年，最新update的全球生物製藥韌性指數排名臺灣第11名，我們健保是第一名，製藥第11名，新加坡第5名，韓國第12名，這個資料來源是什麼？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:15:51.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:16:01.411000+08:00","text":"資料來源是全球安全衛生指數（global health security index，GHS Index），OECD統計。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:16:01.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:16:15.344000+08:00","text":"大家看這些指標，包括每千人醫生床數不夠，醫療用品供應鏈不夠，設施與營運韌性也不夠，其實這裡面我最想問的是，你戰時有沒有準備地下醫院？","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:16:15.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:16:21.110000+08:00","text":"我兩年前問了邱泰源，這兩年內做哪些東西？","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2025-11-28T16:16:22.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:16:36.501000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們確實有一些新建醫院，朝向地下作業的能力，像南部新的醫院也有，中部現在也在規劃，北部也在規劃。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2025-11-28T16:16:38.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:16:46.956000+08:00","text":"另外，像以色列一樣，有時候是把地下停車場可以做平戰的轉換，所以這也是一種運作方式。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:16:47.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:17:00.644000+08:00","text":"我跟院長講，我替你們講，打仗會傷人、打仗會死人，你的錢一兆兩千多億，要撥一些錢給衛福部啦！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:17:00.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-11-28T16:17:01.405000+08:00","text":"要撥一些給醫療韌性……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:17:01.905000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:17:17.333571+08:00","text":"有，他的醫藥韌性有在做，不過委員，我講一句話，1.25兆最終極的目的就是不打仗、和平，我們要有實力，不是為打仗準備，是為和平做準備。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:17:17.633571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:17:22.205000+08:00","text":"最好不要打仗，但是打仗會傷人、死人啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:17:22.505000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:17:25.362143+08:00","text":"要有實力才能不打仗啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2025-11-28T16:17:25.662143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:17:27.947857+08:00","text":"要撥一些錢給他啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2025-11-28T16:17:28.247857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:17:29.676429+08:00","text":"有，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-28T16:17:29.976429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:17:35.976429+08:00","text":"謝謝賴士葆委員質詢，謝謝卓院長跟部會首長備詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-28T16:17:36.276429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:17:49.133571+08:00","text":"接下來登記第11位何欣純委員、第12位劉建國委員之質詢，均以書面提出，請行政院書面答復，並列入紀錄，刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員何欣純書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:17:49.433571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:18:02.862143+08:00","text":"一、2025年10月10日至20日，臺灣臺中市梧棲區一處養豬場爆發117隻豬隻異常死亡；10月22日，農業部初步驗出非洲豬瘟核酸陽性反應。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員何欣純書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:18:03.162143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:18:15.447857+08:00","text":"這是臺灣本土首次從豬隻檢驗到非洲豬瘟病毒核酸呈陽性反應，並於10月25日經病毒分離的檢測正式確認。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員何欣純書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:18:15.747857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:18:26.319286+08:00","text":"二、為防止疫情擴散，行政院令自2025年10月22日12時起，全國豬隻禁運禁宰五天，並全面禁止廚餘養豬。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員何欣純書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:18:26.619286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:18:45.476429+08:00","text":"而先前政府規定，使用廚餘養豬之養豬場應上傳蒸煮紀錄，同時也屬於我國廚餘去化之途徑之一，廚餘養豬禁令後，如何確立新的廚餘去化過程，為目前最大課題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員何欣純書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:18:45.776429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:18:57.490714+08:00","text":"三、針對廚餘去化，本席建議應以短、中、長期不同面相規劃，避免廚餘成為我國垃圾廢棄物去化之負擔：","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員何欣純書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:18:57.790714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:19:02.076429+08:00","text":"(1)生、熟廚餘分類要確實、鼓勵減少「剩食」。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員何欣純書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:19:02.376429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:19:09.233571+08:00","text":"(2)載送廚餘車輛應全面補助配置GPS，確定載送足跡路線。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員何欣純書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:19:09.533571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:19:22.676429+08:00","text":"(3)如恢復有條件廚餘養豬，應以大場帶小場方式，多處建立「廚餘共同高溫烹煮中心」，政府給予補助並嚴格要求、監控。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員何欣純書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:19:22.976429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:19:28.405000+08:00","text":"(4)加速規劃各區廚餘轉化生質能源廠相關系統。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員何欣純書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:19:28.705000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:19:40.133571+08:00","text":"(5)學習各國先進技術、以技轉方式協助國內廚餘增加再利用之方式，例如強化無氧堆肥等去化方式。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員何欣純書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:19:40.433571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:20:14.147857+08:00","text":"四、又因全國禁用廚餘養豬，台中市每日近200噸廚餘無處去化，台中市府以「挖坑堆肥掩埋」作為緊急處理方案，然周遭民眾經常投訴有汙水溢流，為避免廚餘露天掩埋造成周邊環境汙染，並督促地方政府減少土地汙染及民眾健康疑慮，爰建請環境部敦促地方政府妥善處理廚餘等相關廢棄物。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員何欣純書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:20:14.447857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:20:26.733571+08:00","text":"爰此，建請環境部邀集相關部會，具體就我國廚餘去化提出精進措施，並於一個月內提出書面報告予本院。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:20:27.033571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:20:31.319286+08:00","text":"一、蘇丹紅事件之嚴重性與制度缺失","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:20:31.619286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:20:45.333571+08:00","text":"近日爆發的「化妝品蘇丹紅事件」，顯示我國在毒性化學物質管理、邊境查驗、跨部會資訊系統串接等面向存在重大漏洞。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:20:45.633571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:20:59.347857+08:00","text":"本次遭查扣的「紅色複方原料」來自新加坡，五批貨品中有三批被檢驗出含有蘇丹紅，分別為今年一月、二月與十月進口。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:20:59.647857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:21:13.362143+08:00","text":"該原料供應十四家業者，其中十二家為化妝品製造商，現已製成二十項商品於國內販售，使消費者暴露於致癌物質中。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:21:13.662143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:21:21.376429+08:00","text":"本次原料中蘇丹紅濃度高達1486ppm，而成品化妝品中檢出54ppm。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:21:21.676429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:21:30.247857+08:00","text":"此濃度遠高於去年「蘇丹紅辣椒粉事件」所檢出的18ppb，差距超過三千倍。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:21:30.547857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:21:36.833571+08:00","text":"化妝品直接塗抹於人體皮膚，對健康風險更不可忽視。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:21:37.133571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:21:54.562143+08:00","text":"然而，現行《毒性化學物質管理法》以一%（一萬ppm）作為混合物管制門檻，本次案例因濃度為零點一四八六%而未達檻值，形同完全游離於法規之外。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:21:54.862143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:22:06.576429+08:00","text":"蘇丹紅屬國際明確列管之致癌性禁用物質，本應採「零容忍」管理，但卻因法規僵化而完全未受到控管。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:22:06.876429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:22:25.162143+08:00","text":"關務署僅能依文件查驗，無法掌握複方原料實際成分；化學署以「未達一%」為由不納管；食藥署又無法掌握輸入端，使致癌物在部會分工縫隙中流入國內市面。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:22:25.462143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:22:28.605000+08:00","text":"制度性缺失大於個案問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:22:28.905000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:22:45.762143+08:00","text":"爰此要求，環境部、衛福部、財政部關務署等應該跨部會，針對有毒物質及化學物質之具體管理，召開會議研商，避免有管制的灰色或疏漏地帶發生。","quality":0.034},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:22:46.062143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:22:50.062143+08:00","text":"二、廚餘去化問題，政府應積極處置。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:22:50.362143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:23:02.362143+08:00","text":"台灣養豬產業為我國農業最重要的基礎產業之一，相關從業人口約六十萬，影響超過兩百萬人的生活。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:23:02.662143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:23:12.947857+08:00","text":"非洲豬瘟一旦入侵，將造成豬肉自給率大幅下滑、產業連鎖崩潰，衝擊遠超過口蹄疫時期。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:23:13.247857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:23:29.819286+08:00","text":"「應立即以最嚴格標準全面禁止廚餘養豬」，並要求政府啟動跨部會協調，由農業部主責，環境部負責廚餘去化與處理，衛福部負責食安風險管理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:23:30.119286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:23:35.547857+08:00","text":"產業界態度已明確，政府不應再等待疫情發生。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員劉建國書面質詢","start":"2025-11-28T16:23:35.847857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:23:49.847857+08:00","text":"爰此要求，環境部應會同農業部、經濟部、衛福部等相關單位，盡速研擬具體配套措施，回應社會大眾對於廚餘去化之期待。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-11-28T16:23:50.147857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-11-28T16:23:55.290714+08:00","text":"接下來，請范雲委員質詢，張雅琳委員請準備。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}