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我們新進的武器進來你們如何在邊線比部署的80以下能夠招兵買馬 能夠加入我們的國軍那這個就是你們要思考的問題部長 你回答一下這個問題好不好"},{"start":676.089,"end":702.311,"text":"我想跟委員報告我想這個還是要做一個整體性的一個考量我們對於如果單純對花東地區做一個地域加緊那全國特別是在我們這個本島地區的這個服役有沒有形成一些另外衍生的一些效應我想我們要做一個整體的"},{"start":702.571,"end":729.489,"text":"你們整體思考第一個我們重金買武器為什麼不把這一些用在我們國軍官兵得到他們更高的保障讓他們都能夠加入我們國軍的行列來不管是加起不管是本縫都能夠要重視而不是在重視於我們要買武器的這樣的一個經費浪費我們的國家的公帑以上"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:00:03.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:00:03.930000+08:00","text":"（10時）謝謝主席，有請顧部長。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-01T10:00:03.930000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-01T10:00:04.930000+08:00","text":"有請顧部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-12-01T10:00:04.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:00:04.090000+08:00","text":"黃委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:00:04.090000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-01T10:00:17.810000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:00:17.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:00:43.850000+08:00","text":"今天的報告是關於薪資結構，提到國軍今年的加薪方案和未來規劃，指出今年有一、志願役勤務加給及戰鬥部隊加給調整方案；二、網路戰、戰航管和電偵三項勤務加給的調整，未來規劃會持續檢討修訂各項勤務加給。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:00:45.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:01:14.529000+08:00","text":"部長，我想你也發覺到國防部的加薪方案和未來規劃是什麼樣的特色，關鍵就在國防部所謂的加薪，全部是透過加給的方式，但加給不是穩定的本俸，會受到各種條件的影響，在薪資結構中具有不穩定的特殊性。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:01:16.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:01:41.639000+08:00","text":"很清楚的，本席也了解國防部提出的加薪，全部採取加給的方式，因為這樣在人才招募的時候，可讓帳面數據非常好看，用膨脹的多項加給讓國人覺得從軍的薪資待遇很好，這根本是誤導視聽。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:01:41.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:01:48.442000+08:00","text":"請問一下部長，加薪到底是加在加給，還是加在本俸？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:01:50.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:01:51.283000+08:00","text":"最大的差別是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:01:54.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:01:58.344000+08:00","text":"請主計局回答這個問題。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2025-12-01T10:01:58.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:01:58.944000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2025-12-01T10:01:59.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:02:16.115000+08:00","text":"依軍公教人員待遇的基本結構，包含了本俸跟專業加給，所以本俸部分的調整，基本上軍公教是依照階級跟職等的衡平性規定，不是單單只針對軍人的部分。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2025-12-01T10:02:18.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:02:34.276000+08:00","text":"以軍職人員來講，基本待遇就是比公教人員再多了志願役加給，軍職人員的基本待遇是本俸加上專業加給，再加上志願役加給，這才是其基本待遇。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2025-12-01T10:02:35.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:02:50.545000+08:00","text":"另外，對於軍職人員部分，針對各勤務的不同而設有不同的勤務加給，再由國防部依據勤務的專業性、艱困程度或任務繁雜性來訂定加給標準，呈報行政院核定實施。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:02:50.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:03:20.507000+08:00","text":"你們帳面上寫得非常好看，但我們今天講的是核心基數，關於退伍之後的保障，本俸是計算退伍金和退休俸的核心基數，包含軍人保險的死亡、殘廢給付等，也是與本俸相關，加給在這時候根本不被計算。","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:03:21.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:03:43.911000+08:00","text":"國防部這些豐富的加給，在人才招募時一旦遇到了會思考人生未來規劃的人，直接就會被當作是詐騙，乍看薪水不錯，但是退伍後落差極大，保障不足，這就是你們現在要檢討的部分。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:03:44.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:04:02.906000+08:00","text":"所謂的薪資結構，根本就是混淆視聽，對於軍人退伍以後，或者要加入國軍行列來講，在加入的過程中，你們帳面好像寫得非常好，但是退伍之後沒有什麼保障。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:04:05.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:04:08.471000+08:00","text":"關於剛剛我的問題，你再說明一下，好不好？","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2025-12-01T10:04:10.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:04:46.253000+08:00","text":"報告委員，公教人員退休跟軍職人員退伍基本上都是用本俸來計算退休給與，在公教人員的部分，目前是計算前15年本俸的平均數來當成基數，軍職人員是計算前5年來當成平均基數，因此政府在整體的政策照顧上，對軍職人員的退伍給與計算其實已經比公教人員相對寬鬆。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2025-12-01T10:04:46.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:05:03.439000+08:00","text":"我剛剛也跟委員報告，因為軍公教的俸點、俸給是衡平性的規定，以目前的制度來講，沒有辦法單單只討論軍職的俸點跟俸給，即本俸的部分，它需要軍公教一體衡平考量。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2025-12-01T10:05:04.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:05:15.164000+08:00","text":"也誠如委員所說的，很多保險的制度都是用本俸當成基數來給與，但是相對於官兵或者是其他公教人員，他們自付的部分也是用本俸來計算。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:05:16.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:05:21.486000+08:00","text":"因為時間的因素，你把這個數據的明細給我一份。是。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:05:22.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:05:56.797000+08:00","text":"對很多的國軍官兵來講，非常不了解你們現在所核算的核心基數，因為前面看帳面非常不錯，但是退伍之後，其保障嚴重不足，所以本席認為加給的補充非常重要，但解決問題的根本之道還是要把加薪回歸到本俸中。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:05:58.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:06:18.590000+08:00","text":"最低限度的改革，也應該要把常態性加給納入各項計算的基數中，讓國軍退伍後能更符合其保障，在退休的時候才會把本俸加進去，以公式來計算。","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:06:19.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:06:29.532000+08:00","text":"我們主張加薪就是加本俸才算合理，到時候你把這些明細給我一份，好不好？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2025-12-01T10:06:30.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:06:30.992000+08:00","text":"是，我們再整理給委員。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:06:32.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:06:47.587000+08:00","text":"另外，提到國軍今年的加薪方案，本席之前有質詢過，希望為花東地區服役的官兵爭取地域加給。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:06:49.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:07:01.216000+08:00","text":"上次我有特別提到，本席認為加給還是要回歸到其目的本質來討論，國軍地域加給的目的是什麼？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:07:01.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:07:15.828000+08:00","text":"其實提供加給的目的不外乎是：第一、人員留任；第二、補貼生活費；第三、對於服務於艱困地區的補償。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:07:15.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:07:22.374000+08:00","text":"從上述的目的來看，花東地區的駐軍應該符合地域加給的資格。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:07:23.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:07:26.138000+08:00","text":"部長，有沒有思考這個問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:07:26.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:07:34.545000+08:00","text":"我上次有提出，但你們回復給我的是再研議。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:07:35.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:07:43.390000+08:00","text":"關於這個部分，我們為了留住國軍人員，其實花東也符合地域性，為什麼？","quality":0.621},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:07:43.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:08:01.222000+08:00","text":"因為本席是花東子弟，每次碰到地震、天災，交通就會不方便，而花東地區的國軍官兵在交通上就會被阻礙。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:08:02.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:08:11.412000+08:00","text":"以整體來講的話，偏遠、偏鄉的花東是不是也符合離島才有的地域加給資格？","quality":0.484},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:08:13.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:08:13.534000+08:00","text":"部長，你來回答這個問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2025-12-01T10:08:13.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:08:38.329000+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實東臺地區的地域加給，我們在108年就有向行政院爭取，因為行政院在79年就已經凍結了東臺地區地域加給的金額跟對象，所以沒有把我們放進去。","quality":0.531},{"speaker":"藍司長靜婷","start":"2025-12-01T10:08:39.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:08:41.610000+08:00","text":"我們雖然沒有列入東臺地區的地域加給……","quality":0.471},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:08:43.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:09:05.259000+08:00","text":"目前時空背景不一樣，你們現在的編現比都不足八成，我們要留住偏鄉或者花東地域性現役部隊軍人的話，也應該要給他們保障，這樣才可以留才，你們要有誘因嘛！","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:09:06.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:09:16.502000+08:00","text":"現在你們一直招兵不足，要在時空背景裡面更改、改變你們的作法，才可以留住國軍官兵，是不是？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:09:17.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:09:21.844000+08:00","text":"你們要再跟上層報告，這是基層的反映啊！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"李次長鳳翔","start":"2025-12-01T10:09:24.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:09:25.648000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我是後次室次長。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"李次長鳳翔","start":"2025-12-01T10:09:25.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:09:45.787000+08:00","text":"向委員報告一下，當然有這個獎金對大家來說是有助益的，可是我們要考慮到一件事情，花東地區到其他地區服務的人一樣面臨交通的問題，就是其他地區到花東地區所面臨的問題，花東地區出去一樣會面臨到這些問題。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"李次長鳳翔","start":"2025-12-01T10:09:45.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:10:03.197000+08:00","text":"這個部分上次有跟委員報告過，我們要全面檢討，可是我們現在就如同剛剛資源司司長所報告的，現在考量本島一致的衡平性已經不可以再編列這些相關的交通費用，所以針對上次委員說要把地域加給再放進去，這個部分我們現在還在研究中。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:10:03.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:10:39.950000+08:00","text":"因為我講交通就好了，我們不管是航班，就比金門少很多，鐵路交通又容易受到地震或颱風影響，也就是一年中有三分之二的時間都處在中斷和半中斷的狀態，這就是我要提出來讓大家知道的，國防部在編現比不足的時空背景，是不是要讓國軍官兵留得住？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:10:40.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:10:54.227000+08:00","text":"你也要有誘因能夠讓他薪資的本俸、加給都非常地清楚，這樣才能讓符合國軍要招募國軍官兵的子弟兵加入國軍。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:10:56.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:11:14.173000+08:00","text":"未來你們要提出1.25兆這樣的預算先進武器進來之後，你們如何在編現比不足的八成以下，能夠招兵買馬加入國軍？","quality":0.723},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:11:14.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:11:17.638000+08:00","text":"這就是你們要思考的問題，部長，你回答一下這個問題，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-12-01T10:11:19.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:11:44.070000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我想這還是要做整體性的考量，如果單純對花東地區地域加給，那全國，特別是在本島地區服役有沒有另外衍生一些效應？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2025-12-01T10:11:44.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-01T10:11:45.291000+08:00","text":"我想我們要做整體的思考。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2025-12-01T10:11:45.571000+08:00","guessed":fa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