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的燃料棒95%都能夠回收成為新燃料這位教授指出現有的核電廠退下來的燃料棒其實是用了裡面5%的這個鈾燃料"},{"start":50.438,"end":60.803,"text":"其他的95%都沒有用到而第四代的反應器特別是快中子反應器可以把剩下的這95%繼續使用所以還有90%可以拿來作為第四代核反應器的燃料然後來發電"},{"start":65.725,"end":81.036,"text":"然後他甚至指出說中國已經有一台第四代反應爐在運轉那美國的技術大概十年內可以商轉我想請教主委主委您本人跟或者是我們核安衛的同仁對於這個說法有沒有了解"},{"start":82.941,"end":99.15,"text":"这个是以前旧有的观念本来现在核电厂使用过的只使用掉一小部分而已大部分将来还是在处理之后还继续使用的"},{"start":100.879,"end":128.07,"text":"所以对这个教授所指出的我们的燃料棒使用的只是里面一小部分剩下的部分其实还可以再拿来使用的他这个说法主委您也觉得是这样子吗是正确的日本就这样做他说这个教授指出中国已经有一台第四代反应炉在运转那美国的技术在十年内是可以相转的您觉得说以现在的技术这是可行的吗或者说这个说法是可信的吗"},{"start":130.106,"end":152.001,"text":"這個在理論上是可行的好那我這邊也是要一直要強調說我們核安會應該跟得上要必須跟上國際的這個核能的趨勢希望說核安會我們要掌握最新的狀況了解最新的技術這樣才能在關於其他國家有核能的消息出來的時候我們可以在第一時間有"},{"start":152.822,"end":178.691,"text":"正確 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我們已經做好準備我的意思是說雖然這個紮波羅勒核電廠離我們很遠"},{"start":346.912,"end":372.894,"text":"萬一發生了河岸事故不會立即的危害到台灣民眾的健康但是在他那周邊周圍的一些相關的商品如果我們台灣是有進口的他可能是會有這個輻射感染疑慮的我們會不會有這樣的機制這樣子的對應變的措施對周邊的這些商品進行管制有這樣的機制嗎食藥署應對這方面會有邊境的管制"},{"start":373.154,"end":399.483,"text":"我们有这样的建议给他们吗已经有这个制度建立了因为河安会你们是管理就是对于这个部分你们是专业所以有需要有这样的机制来启动的时候即便他的职责职权可能是在食药署但是河安会你们这边是有你们的义务跟你们的责任是要告知跟启动这样的机制吧请组长回答一下"},{"start":401.642,"end":418.347,"text":"就是我們會如同那個過去處理福島河事故的一個經驗那第一個時間因為他們的一個空服污染可能會造成人員就是我們國人在歐洲可能會有一些污染或者是物品的污染我們會在機場成立那個門框偵檢器"},{"start":420.308,"end":439.552,"text":"然後來協助一些污染的清除那至於像是一些食品或者是物品的那就是我們就是跨部會的一個合作就像食藥署過去也曾經針對日本進口食品一直來進行那個邊境的一個管制那我們這邊會提供相關的偵檢的技術服務"},{"start":442.913,"end":470.445,"text":"您是组长吗是谢谢组长您也预先回答了我下一个要问的问题那我再重复一下我刚才问的当然您也回答了就因为核安会你们是专业的你们对于这个核能安全核子安全这个部分的管制跟研究你们是专业的所以在其他部门虽然职责可能是在食药署或在其他胃环或是其他的部门但是你们有这样的专业你们必须要去启动这样机制去以你们专业来"},{"start":472.026,"end":475.692,"text":"告知來通知來啟動這樣的機制是由你們來啟動吧"},{"start":479.067,"end":502.803,"text":"是嗎 報告委員我們這部分不會說是我們啟動但是我們就是會跨部會的一個溝通協調像我們會提供一些技術那剛才組長您也說了包括我們在那附近的我們的台灣的國人如果有旅居他是在念書或者其他商務的需求或是在當地的我們的國人我們也會有其他的一些機制來啟動保護他們"},{"start":504.464,"end":533.123,"text":"這個我們都會及時的跟我們外交相關的人員來一起就是關心我們國人的健康這個是你們職責吧但是這也是你們的專業所以我會希望說就是因為現在有戰爭在發生中所以說對這個核電廠相關的安全的疑慮如果我們能夠做得更周全希望給我們民眾一個有比較有保障的就是說我們其實是隨時在關注相關的情況"},{"start":534.304,"end":562.356,"text":"那我再請教一下關於核電的議題討論度現在很高的就是關於核二核三會不會重啟的問題那台電是預計明年3月會送核安會來審議在討論重啟之前本期這邊有關於核廢料存放的問題要先請教核安會核二廠跟核三廠都有規劃興建室內乾儲場那木砌也在招標中而且其中核二廠已經招標第三次請問這是什麼原因"},{"start":563.813,"end":568.68,"text":"跟委員報告核二廠的部分室內乾儲已經在前天結標"},{"start":570.454,"end":592.4,"text":"所以這次有順利的有順利的標出去了那河山廠的部分因為他第一次的招標不足三家沒有辦法達到那個工程會的要求所以他會再開二標第二次招標就對了那好 既然河二廠已經完成了這個招標的程序那請問預計什麼時候會這個騎乘你們訂出來了嗎什麼時候完工這個"},{"start":598.55,"end":615.564,"text":"掌握在原能會的部分,我們建造直造大概會省一年半,這個一二廠我們都有經驗,那試運轉計畫省四個月,運轉直造省四個月,這個是我們核安會可以掌握的,那其他工程部分那就要台中公司自己來掌握。"},{"start":616.677,"end":631.835,"text":"所以你們是在關於這個審核的部分是你們那其他的這個部分你們跟相關的單位我希望說你們給我一份你們的期程你們到時候送一份資料到我辦公室來那我還是要強調其實核廢料還有"},{"start":633.837,"end":661.912,"text":"后续的中期组织跟最终组织的问题如果我们没有办法妥善的处理核废料的问题我们要贸然的使用核电这真的是非常的危险尤其是中期的处置场跟最终处置场这个选址问题一直都没有办法解决也没有办法取得共识所以我希望说未来我们在核安会在审查核二及核三在运转计划的时候必须将核废料的处置问题纳入考量"},{"start":662.742,"end":687.687,"text":"我們會要求台電公司來盡速其實核電運轉最重要最大必須面對的問題就是核廢料的儲值所以這個部分我希望說未來我們關於這個部分核二核三的再運轉計畫這個部分你們一定要很審慎那關於我剛剛提到的就是這個乾式儲存廠的這個相關期程你再送一份資料到我辦公室是好 以上謝謝謝謝主席謝謝陳秀寶委員請光雲回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T09:58:58.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T09:58:59.555000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請陳主委。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-11T09:59:10.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T09:59:10.242000+08:00","text":"請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T09:59:19.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T09:59:19.872000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T09:59:19.872000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T09:59:21.693000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T09:59:21.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T09:59:51.803000+08:00","text":"主委，新聞報導有清大的教授表示，核電廠用過的燃料棒95%都能夠回收成為新燃料，這位教授指出現有核電廠退下來的燃料棒，其實只用了裡面5%的鈾燃料，其他95%都沒有用到，而第四代的反應器，特別是快中子反應器，可以把剩下這95%繼續使用，所以還有90%可以拿來作為第四代核反應器的燃料來發電。","quality":0.992},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T09:59:56.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:00:05.191000+08:00","text":"他甚至指出，中國已經有一臺第四代反應爐在運轉，美國的技術大概10年內可以商轉。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:00:05.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:00:12.016000+08:00","text":"我想請教主委，您本人或者是核安會的同仁對於這個說法有沒有了解？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T10:00:14.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:00:29.950000+08:00","text":"這個是以前就有的觀念，現在核電廠只使用掉一小部分而已，大部分將來再處理之後還是可以繼續使用。","quality":0.581},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:00:31.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:00:42.843000+08:00","text":"所以對於這位教授所指出的，我們的燃料棒只使用了裡面的一小部分，剩下的部分其實還可以再拿來使用，這個說法主委也覺得是這樣子嗎？","quality":0.672},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T10:00:43.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:00:45.224000+08:00","text":"是正確的，日本就是這樣做。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:00:46.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:00:57.009000+08:00","text":"這個教授指出，中國已經有一臺第四代反應爐在運轉，美國的技術在10年內是可以商轉的，您覺得以現在的技術，這是可行的嗎？","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:00:57.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:00:58.970000+08:00","text":"或者這個說法是可信的嗎？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T10:01:01.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:01:03.068000+08:00","text":"這個在理論上是可行的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:01:04.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:01:29.924000+08:00","text":"好，我這邊也要一直強調核安會必須跟上國際的核能趨勢，希望核安會要掌握最新的狀況，了解最新的技術，這樣在其他國家有核能消息出來的時候，才可以在第一時間有正確、有效的立場說明給民眾了解，解除他們的疑慮。","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:01:30.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:01:49.691000+08:00","text":"綜觀我們剛才的詢跟答，主委是說，95%沒有使用到的這些燃料可以再次回收使用，第四代反應爐使用這樣的回收燃料棒，技術上是可行的嗎？","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T10:01:50.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:01:51.592000+08:00","text":"是的，理論上是可行的。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:01:52.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:01:52.592000+08:00","text":"謝謝主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:01:53.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:02:10.180000+08:00","text":"我想請教主委，烏俄戰爭已經持續很多年，位於烏克蘭東南部的札波羅熱核電廠也一再被國際原子能總署示警，恐怕存在安全疑慮。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:02:10.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:02:26.746000+08:00","text":"札波羅熱核電廠目前反應爐本身是沒有在運轉的，但是他們需要電力系統來維持冷卻跟安全的系統，以防止這個反應爐發生熔毀的現象，進而引發核子事故。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:02:28.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:02:42.489000+08:00","text":"這幾個月陸續傳出札波羅熱核電廠受到戰爭的影響而有斷電的情形，例如他們柴油發電機的電線就被人為破壞，相關的電力系統出了問題。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:02:42.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:02:55.694000+08:00","text":"如果這個斷電的情形一直持續，札波羅熱核電廠可能發生核子事故的時間，也就是它斷電多久可能會引發核子事故？","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T10:02:57.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:03:01.837000+08:00","text":"這要計算才知道，不過斷電久了確實會引起核安事故。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:03:02.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:03:11.008000+08:00","text":"雖然電廠反應爐是沒有運作的，但冷卻系統還是必須要持續地維持它的安全。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T10:03:11.008000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T10:03:12.449000+08:00","text":"它有餘熱，對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:03:12.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:03:26.319000+08:00","text":"如果真的因為戰爭的影響，很不幸地讓電力中斷的時間過長，真的造成這個反應爐有問題，發生核安事件的時候，會不會影響到我們臺灣民眾的安全？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T10:03:30.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:03:39.572000+08:00","text":"距離是蠻遠的，像上次的車諾比事件，臺灣也是隔了好久才偵測到，會直接影響到的可能是歐洲地區馬上會受到影響。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:03:39.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:03:42.613000+08:00","text":"因為臺灣跟這個核電廠的距離讓我們會有一些緩衝跟比較可以自保的一些措施能儘快來做。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:03:52.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:03:55.979000+08:00","text":"那核安會有沒有建立緊急的應變措施？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:03:56.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:04:17.058000+08:00","text":"因為戰爭真的是我們無可預料的，它什麼時候會發生怎樣的事情，如果電廠真的不幸發生了核子事故，對於核電廠周邊會影響到的這些區域範圍，其商品有進口到臺灣的話，我們會不會有機制馬上進行管制？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T10:04:18.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:04:32.508000+08:00","text":"台電已經訂定了在面對軍事威脅下，要確保核安準備與應變計畫及相關程序書，並透過年度核安演習來訓練、精進，我們已經做好準備。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:04:32.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:04:59.870000+08:00","text":"我的意思是說，雖然這個札波羅熱核電廠離我們很遠，萬一發生核安事故不會立即危害到臺灣民眾的健康，但是在它周邊的一些相關商品，如果我們臺灣是有進口的，它可能是有輻射感染疑慮的，我們會不會有這樣的機制、這樣的應變措施，對周邊的這些商品進行管制？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:05:00.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:05:01.252000+08:00","text":"有這樣的機制嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T10:05:01.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:05:03.874000+08:00","text":"食藥署對這方面會有邊境的管制。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:05:03.874000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T10:05:06.385000+08:00","text":"你們有給他們這樣的建議嗎？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T10:05:06.385000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T10:05:08.896000+08:00","text":"有，已經有建立這個制度了，會有邊境管制。","quality":0.294},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:05:08.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:05:26.882000+08:00","text":"因為核安會對於這個部分的管理是專業，所以需要有這樣的機制來啟動的時候，即便職責、職權可能是在食藥署，但是核安會有你們的義務跟責任，要告知跟啟動這樣的機制吧？","quality":0.514},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T10:05:29.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:05:30.463000+08:00","text":"請組長回答一下。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"張組長淑君","start":"2025-12-11T10:05:33.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:05:52.648000+08:00","text":"如同過去處理福島核事故的經驗，第一時間因為空浮污染可能會造成在歐洲的國人受到一些污染或者物品的污染，我們會在機場成立門框偵檢器，協助清除一些污染。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"張組長淑君","start":"2025-12-11T10:05:54.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:06:10.552000+08:00","text":"至於像是一些食品或者物品，我們就是跨部會合作，就像食藥署過去也曾經針對日本進口食品一直進行邊境管制，我們會提供相關的偵檢技術服務。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:06:13.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:06:14.073000+08:00","text":"您是組長嗎？對。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:06:14.073000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T10:06:16.414000+08:00","text":"謝謝組長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:06:16.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:06:18.075000+08:00","text":"你也預先回答了我下一個要問的問題。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:06:19.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:06:22.177000+08:00","text":"我再重複一下我剛才問的，當然你也回答了。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:06:22.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:06:45.110000+08:00","text":"因為核安會是專業的，對於核能安全、核子安全部分的管制跟研究，你們是專業的，雖然職責可能是在食藥署，或是在衛環，又或是其他部門，但是你們有這樣的專業，就必須以你們的專業來告知、通知、啟動這樣的機制。","quality":0.598},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:06:45.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:06:51.428000+08:00","text":"這樣的機制是由你們來啟動，是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張組長淑君","start":"2025-12-11T10:06:52.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:06:59.974000+08:00","text":"這部分不會說是由我們啟動，但是我們會跨部會溝通、協調，像我們會提供一些技術。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:07:00.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:07:13.803000+08:00","text":"剛才組長也說了，包括在那附近旅居的國人，如果他是在念書或者有其他商務的需求，只要是在當地的國人，我們也會有一些其他的機制來啟動、保護他們。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:07:15.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:07:23.710000+08:00","text":"你們都會即時跟外交相關人員一起關心國人的健康，這個是你們的職責吧？對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:07:24.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:07:25.511000+08:00","text":"但這也是你們的專業。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:07:29.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:07:44.123000+08:00","text":"因為現在有戰爭在發生中，所以對核電廠相關的安全疑慮，如果我們能夠做得更周全，希望給民眾比較有保障的……也就是我們其實是隨時在關注相關的情況。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:07:45.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:07:56.169000+08:00","text":"我再請教一下，關於核電議題，現在討論度很高的就是核二、核三會不會重啟的問題，台電預計明年3月會送核安會審議。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:07:56.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:08:13.336000+08:00","text":"在討論重啟之前，本席有關於核廢料存放的問題要先請教核安會，核二廠跟核三廠都有規劃興建室內乾貯場，目前也在招標中，而且其中核二廠已經招標第三次，請問這是什麼原因？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2025-12-11T10:08:16.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:08:19.680000+08:00","text":"核二廠的室內乾貯已經在前天決標……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:08:21.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:08:21.794000+08:00","text":"所以這次是有順利的？","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2025-12-11T10:08:21.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:08:23.155000+08:00","text":"有順利的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:08:23.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:08:24.135000+08:00","text":"有順利的標出去了？對。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2025-12-11T10:08:25.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:08:35.158000+08:00","text":"核三廠的部分，因為第一次招標的投標廠商不足三家，沒有辦法達到工程會的要求，所以會再繼續……","quality":0.725},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:08:35.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:08:36.699000+08:00","text":"會再開二標？對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:08:36.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:08:38.039000+08:00","text":"會第二次招標就對了？是。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:08:39.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:08:42.560000+08:00","text":"既然核二廠已經完成了這個招標的程序，請問預計什麼時候會完工？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:08:42.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:08:42.840000+08:00","text":"這個期程你們訂出來了嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:08:42.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:08:43.380000+08:00","text":"什麼時候完工？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2025-12-11T10:08:49.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:09:03.421000+08:00","text":"掌握在核安會的部分，建造執照大概會審一年半，一、二廠我們都有經驗，試運轉計畫審四個月，運轉執照審四個月，這個是核安會可以掌握的。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2025-12-11T10:09:03.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:09:06.544000+08:00","text":"至於其他工程的部分，就要由台電公司自己來掌握。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:09:07.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:09:11.682000+08:00","text":"所以關於審核的部分是你們？是。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:09:13.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:09:20.772000+08:00","text":"有關這個部分，我希望你們給我你們的期程，到時候送一份資料到我辦公室。是。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:09:21.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:09:33.682000+08:00","text":"我還是要強調，其實核廢料還有後續的中期處置跟最終處置的問題，如果我們沒有辦法妥善地處理核廢料的問題，要貿然地使用核電，這真的是非常危險。","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:09:34.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:09:52.892000+08:00","text":"尤其是中期處置場跟最終處置場選址的問題，一直都沒有辦法解決，也沒有辦法取得共識，所以我希望未來核安會在審查核二及核三再運轉計畫的時候，必須將核廢料的處置問題納入考量。","quality":0.603},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2025-12-11T10:09:53.742000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:09:55.862000+08:00","text":"我們會要求台電公司盡速來處理。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:09:55.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:10:09.225000+08:00","text":"其實核電運轉最重要、最必須面對的問題就是核廢料的處置，所以我希望未來關於核二、核三再運轉計畫這個部分，你們一定要很審慎。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:10:09.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:10:15.687000+08:00","text":"關於我剛剛提到的就是乾式貯存場的相關期程，你再送一份資料到我辦公室。是。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:10:16.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:10:16.927000+08:00","text":"好，以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2025-12-11T10:10:16.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:10:17.087000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-11T10:10:18.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T10:10:18.667000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳秀寳委員，請官員回座。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-11T10:10:19.167000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T10:10:22.024143+08:00","text":"現在請吳沛憶委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}