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現在已經快要12月底了我們理解 但是因為這是經濟部的作業我們其實沒辦法去質詢好 那我到經濟部那邊再去質詢的意思嗎謝謝好 那我想 我剛剛講到這個所謂的高放長值這個條例的部分目前你們也還沒看到沒有"},{"start":524.992,"end":554.241,"text":"好那因为你们没看到那我当然更看不到所以我可能还要再继续的追问但是我真的希望就是核安会在整个所有的条例当中我刚刚讲12月底之前出来的这个草案我们核安会有没有角色在里面有没有角色一般来讲就是经济部他要做临选计划的时候他会征询我们的意见然后日后如果寻找出场址他的安全性由我们来负责确认"},{"start":555.233,"end":583.931,"text":"好 你们来负责确认好 我相信今天其实我们主席特别排这样子的一个就是请你们来做这样子的一个业务的报告那最重要的其实我们应该要从合一给我们的一些教训也好给我们的一些历史的经验也好就是审查不能压缩尤其是安全性的部分绝对不能因为政治的关系而压缩到所谓的安全审查的这个时程再来后端不能拖延"},{"start":584.731,"end":601.067,"text":"還有就是老化的部分我們不能輕忽其實這三大重點只要我們掌握住才有資格來談後續我核三要重啟這樣子的一個問題所以我相信我也希望這個核安會我們用最嚴謹"},{"start":602.348,"end":627.701,"text":"然後再來最公開的一個方式我們把審查的過程然後跟民間的溝通跟所有的共識的集結然後包含我剛剛所提到的到現在12月我們是還沒有看到所謂的高放選址到底什麼時候這個草案條例才會出來那這個部分如果河安會你們這邊有先第一手掌握到一些訊息再提供給我辦公室可以嗎可以的好 謝謝謝謝主席"},{"start":632.091,"end":639.049,"text":"謝謝郭鈺晴委員 歡迎請回座現在請范雲委員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:07:02+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T11:07:03+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（劉委員書彬）","start":"2025-12-11T11:07:03+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T11:07:04+08:00","text":"有請陳主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:07:04+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T11:07:05+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:07:05+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T11:07:06+08:00","text":"主委，辛苦了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:07:02.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:07:16.168000+08:00","text":"經濟部雖然已經核定台電的評估，核一是不可能重啟，核二、核三可能，但是台電說還需要大概一年半到兩年來做評估跟自主檢查，但並不是做完兩年之後，就馬上可以重啟，因為後面還要經過最嚴格的核安會審查，所以應該是1.5加2年，後面還要加N，對不對？對。","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:07:17.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:07:19.611000+08:00","text":"我想這是非常重要的一個提醒。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:07:21.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:07:49.851000+08:00","text":"關於核一，其實它已經有一個先例，光是這樣的審查過程就長達將近7年，這個也給我們一個非常重要的提醒，第一，審查不能硬壓縮時間，因為安全是最重要的；第二，我們的標準是不是應該要公開；再來，這是我常常在講的，核廢料的後端要怎麼處理，我們是不是一定要講清楚？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:07:50.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:08:12.270000+08:00","text":"我想今天這個質詢，其實最希望就是核安會能夠幫助，或者是整合我們整個所有的行政團隊，把延役當成是非常非常重要的一環跟治理架構，我們是不是能夠用透明、可信，最重要的是對全民安全，還有凝聚社會共識。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:08:13.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:08:26.264000+08:00","text":"第一個問題就來了，核安在審查的時候，如我剛剛講的不能壓時程，避免變成是政治的時程壓過安全的考量，這是不對的。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:08:26.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:08:54.997000+08:00","text":"我想核一當年，我們也預估大概要將近24個月，是2年的時間，但是後來做了整整快要7年的時間，這代表核能審查的本質上本來就那麼複雜，它不是單一的，不是說2年就可以2年，但後來我們也發現做了7年，其實不能用政治的時程去逼迫所謂的時間點，這是大家都應該要知道的。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:08:55.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:09:04.750000+08:00","text":"接下來我想要請問，核安會能不能夠主動地去公布安全的審查到底應該要多久？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:09:05.191000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:09:19.696000+08:00","text":"因為我們要讓社會知道，這個審查是照安全，而不是照政治，避免外界誤解政府是為了要趕時間，我想安全是不能用「趕時間」這三個字來做政治性的考量。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:09:20.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:09:39.948000+08:00","text":"再來，當經濟部說核一老化到已經不行了，同時核二也大概差三年，可能就會有老化狀況，也會完全不同，我們當初在講到，尤其是乾貯設備，在核二的部分是2030年才會完工，這個沒有錯，對不對？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:09:41.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:09:59.722000+08:00","text":"好，核安會是不是已經確認所謂的時間差，還有老化進程當中的一些差異，並排除掉時程的壓力會造成所謂被迫加速審查這樣的疑慮，這兩個問題，請教一下核安會。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:09:59.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:10:08.428000+08:00","text":"核安會職責最重要的是確保核電廠運作的安全，這點是毫無模糊的餘地，我們審查……","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:10:10.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:10:16.900000+08:00","text":"我再重複一次問題，你們會不會主動公布安全審查需要評估多久？","quality":0.63},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:10:18.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:10:33.045000+08:00","text":"我們一切都是非常透明，所有的申請書、審查意見及台電的回復，我們都會上網公告，每個程序都會讓大家知道……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:10:33.045000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T11:10:34.126000+08:00","text":"剛剛我也有提到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:10:34.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:10:38.488000+08:00","text":"而且我們絕對不會為了縮短時間……","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:10:39.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:10:57.536000+08:00","text":"剛剛我有特別提到，核二大概是差3年，它的老化狀況跟之前你們的評估可能就會完全不一樣，你們有沒有把在審查的過程當中有可能的一些比方說老化程度，或者是一些變數考量在裡頭？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:10:57.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:10:58.876000+08:00","text":"那是一定要考慮的。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:11:00.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:11:02.097000+08:00","text":"所以已經有這樣的考量？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:11:02.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:11:03.358000+08:00","text":"對，那是必須要做的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:11:03.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:11:24.645000+08:00","text":"好，我們剛剛有提到核一最後被判定是因為老化過於嚴重，這是核一的部分；另外，如果核三要重啟，老化評估將是一個非常非常重要的關鍵，核三老化評估的標準會不會比核一更加嚴格？","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:11:25.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:11:37.628000+08:00","text":"舉例來講，包含防震、壓力容器的脆化，還有結構性的疲勞，另外還有蒸氣產生器等等，這些有沒有包含在裡頭？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:11:37.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:11:59.393000+08:00","text":"因為我們也看到國際有例行檢查卻看不出問題的案例，包含戴維斯貝西核電廠，他們真的例行檢查居然找不到問題在哪裡，有這樣子的案例，所以核三如果真的要重啟，請教其核安的條件會不會比核一要來得更加嚴謹？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:12:00.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:12:07.337000+08:00","text":"我們對所有零件的老化評估，都會非常非常的仔細檢查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:12:09.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:12:10.819000+08:00","text":"就這樣一句話？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:12:10.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:12:18.083000+08:00","text":"而且延役20年，所以核安會對這個是非常非常謹慎的。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:12:18.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:12:23.626000+08:00","text":"我直接這樣問，核電的自主檢查現在有沒有接軌最新的國際標準？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:12:25.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:12:26.148000+08:00","text":"這點請高組長回答。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2025-12-11T11:12:27.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:12:39.091000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，關於老化跟反應爐這些組件，或者一些必須要考慮到的因素，會裡面有參考國際的一些標準跟作法。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:12:39.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:12:49.797000+08:00","text":"因為我記得當初有說，如果核三要延役的話，蒸氣產生器要不要換，之前台電有說必須要換，現在這個立場是一致的嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2025-12-11T11:12:51.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:12:55.885000+08:00","text":"這個還是要透過台電公司現場檢查，然後進行評估之後，我們才會知道結果。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:12:56.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:12:58.709000+08:00","text":"會不會公開重要檢查的項目跟標準？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2025-12-11T11:12:59.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:13:04.898000+08:00","text":"當然，再運轉計畫裡面就會規範台電公司要做哪些事情，包括檢查項目。","quality":0.724},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:13:05.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:13:24.256000+08:00","text":"因為這個是建立社會信任最重要、最關鍵的一步，所以檢查項目有沒有接軌國際，或者是項目嚴謹到什麼樣的程度，我相信其實應該要公開透明，讓社會能夠有更多的了解，我們要有社會共識，剛剛我提到社會共識很重要。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:13:25.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:13:58.018000+08:00","text":"第三個問題來了，我想後端的核廢料如果沒有規劃好，其實根本不用考慮延役的問題，我相信核二的乾貯拖了大概……也說2030年，將近快要10年，另外，核廢料的處理如果沒有解決的話，核電政策其實就會被卡住，我想核廢料的處理是非常非常重要，請教一下核安會，是不是已經要求核三重啟計畫必須要同步提出其乾貯時程？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:13:58.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:14:02.059000+08:00","text":"與地方有沒有進行非常密切的溝通？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:14:03.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:14:05.101000+08:00","text":"再來，進度在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:14:05.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:14:13.384000+08:00","text":"如果核三沒有清楚的乾貯時程，請問你們會不會認為這是不符合審查啟動的正當性？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:14:13.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:14:26.975000+08:00","text":"另外就是高放的場址，你們講今年年底要提出，請問現在的時間是12月11號，到目前我沒有看到草案，目前草案在哪裡？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2025-12-11T11:14:29.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:14:48.997000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，有關核三乾貯的部分，12月4號台電公司第一次開標，因為沒有達3家，所以不符合相關採購法規定，台電公司會再辦理第2次公開招標作業。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2025-12-11T11:14:48.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:15:03.724000+08:00","text":"相關的期程其實掌握在核安會的部分，我們大概建造執照會審一年半左右，然後試運轉跟運轉執照各審4個月，其他工程的要件都是由台電公司掌控。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2025-12-11T11:15:05.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:15:23.017000+08:00","text":"第二個問題，有關委員垂詢高放處置選址條例，其實核安會有主動邀集經濟部在今年開了3次會議，我們提供我們的管制資訊給他，但是目前草案還在經濟部內部討論中。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:15:23.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:15:27.320000+08:00","text":"說12月底，現在已經快要12月底了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2025-12-11T11:15:27.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:15:32.043000+08:00","text":"我們理解，但是因為這是經濟部的作業，我們其實沒辦法去……","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:15:32.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:15:37.666000+08:00","text":"好，我要到經濟部那邊再去質詢的意思嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2025-12-11T11:15:37.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:15:37.666000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:15:38.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:15:46.572000+08:00","text":"我剛剛講到高放場址條例的部分，目前你們也還沒看到？沒有。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:15:47.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:16:01.917000+08:00","text":"因為你們沒看到，我當然更看不到，所以我可能還要再繼續追問，但是我真的希望核安會在整個條例當中，12月底之前出來的草案，核安會有沒有角色在裡面？","quality":0.746},{"speaker":"陳組長文泉","start":"2025-12-11T11:16:04.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:16:14.780000+08:00","text":"一般來講，經濟部要做遴選計畫的時候，會徵詢我們的意見，日後如果尋找出場址，它的安全性由我們來負責確認。","quality":0.478},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:16:14.780000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T11:16:17.233000+08:00","text":"你們來負責確認。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:16:17.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:16:43.529000+08:00","text":"好，今天主席特別請你們來做業務報告，最重要的，你們應該要從核一給我們的一些教訓也好、一些歷史的經驗也好，就是審查不能壓縮，尤其是安全性的部分，絕對不能因為政治的關係而壓縮到安全審查的時程。","quality":0.616},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:16:44.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:16:58.383000+08:00","text":"再來，後端不能拖延，還有老化的部分，我們不能輕忽，其實這三大重點只要我們掌握住，才有資格來談後續核三要重啟這樣的一個問題。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:16:58.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:17:21.217000+08:00","text":"所以我相信，我也希望核安會用最嚴謹、最公開的方式，把審查過程與民間的溝通，及所有共識的集結，包含我剛剛所提到的，到現在12月，我們還沒有看到高放選址，到底什麼時候這個條例草案才會出來？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:17:21.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:17:27.200000+08:00","text":"這個部分如果核安會有第一手掌握到一些訊息，再提供給我的辦公室，可以嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:17:27.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:17:27.380000+08:00","text":"可以的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2025-12-11T11:17:29.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:17:29.681000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:17:34.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:17:34.091000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-11T11:17:34.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:17:35.876000+08:00","text":"謝謝郭昱晴委員，官員請回座。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-11T11:17:39.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:17:41.049000+08:00","text":"現在請范雲委員質詢。","quality":1}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}