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謝謝范雲委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:17:48+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T11:17:49+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，有請主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-11T11:17:48.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:17:48.611000+08:00","text":"有請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:17:58.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:17:59.043000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:17:59.043000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T11:18:03.445000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:18:03.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:18:30.340000+08:00","text":"從5月的時候，教文委員會藍白匆匆修了核子反應器設施管制法第六條，讓它可以再運轉20年，原本只有40年的年限，到現在我們居然聽到2027年要重啟核電，我認為是假消息，請問主委，核安我們零妥協，對不對？","quality":0.63},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:18:30.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:18:35.082000+08:00","text":"這是核安會的立場嗎？不是。不是？你說……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:18:36.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:18:37.883000+08:00","text":"我說核安零妥協。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:18:39.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:18:40.545000+08:00","text":"對，核安零妥協，我了解。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:18:40.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:18:42.506000+08:00","text":"我剛剛沒有聽出，對不起！","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:18:42.506000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T11:18:43.946000+08:00","text":"嚇我一跳！","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:18:43.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:18:51.870000+08:00","text":"對，我們對核安的要求是沒有任何妥協的餘地，而且絕對是非常清楚的。","quality":0.621},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:18:53.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:19:15.846000+08:00","text":"我們一切都是依法，雖然我認為上次匆匆修法，針對什麼叫作重啟、什麼叫作再運轉，講得不清不楚，並沒有強化安全，因為這個法很多都是舊的，但是依照現在的法規，如果台電送出再運轉計畫，核安會必須審查以下6項文件，沒錯嘛？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:19:15.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:19:16.266000+08:00","text":"主委，這6項文件沒錯吧？是的。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:19:22.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:19:23.190000+08:00","text":"沒有錯喔！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:19:23.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:19:30.621000+08:00","text":"第6項其他經主管機關指定的文件，目前你們有指定什麼文件嗎？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:19:33.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:19:42.004000+08:00","text":"因為前面就是老化等等，當然監委已經告訴大家，監委的報告談到跟地震相關的安全評估，也請參考。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:19:42.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:19:47.147000+08:00","text":"第6項其他經主管機關指定的文件，你們決定了沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2025-12-11T11:19:47.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:20:01.518000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，我們是參考美國換照申請所必須要提出來的文件，另外，我們也考量國內管制的重點，包括輻射相關的議題跟耐震這部分。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:20:02.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:20:29.506000+08:00","text":"好，那這個第六項是什麼內容，我今天想要詳細的跟你們討論確定，您剛剛講是依照美國的標準，如果是依照2024年美國政府問責署，其美國核能管理委員會有提到要充分考慮氣候變遷的潛在影響，如高溫、乾旱、野火等等，這個講的是一般性，對不對？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:20:29.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:21:04.069000+08:00","text":"至於臺灣的部分，2013年歐盟的核安管制組織來臺同行審查的時候，就有提到關鍵風險應該要全面更新自然災害的評估，特別是地震、海嘯，他們認為臺灣地震、海嘯是複合式的風險非常的高，特別是核三所在地斷層要更精細的研究，即使低震度後也要檢查，建議我們重新評估斷層與地震的危害。","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:21:05.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:21:06.650000+08:00","text":"根據這個部分，這個報告主委有看過嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:21:06.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:21:08.450000+08:00","text":"這個歐盟核安管制組織來臺灣的時候給的建議，不知道主委有沒有看過？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳主任委員明真","start":"2025-12-11T11:21:18.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:21:19.860000+08:00","text":"我自己是沒有看過。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:21:20.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:21:30.329000+08:00","text":"請主委再去看一下，因為美國這個部分是指一般性的，歐盟的核安管制組織給我們是針對臺灣當時做的。","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:21:33.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:22:15.979000+08:00","text":"根據那個內容，我這次為了質詢，特別再看了一次，專家十年前就建議有三項重點要納入，第一個，極端天然災害如地震、海嘯、水災、颱風；第二個，喪失安全系統，因為外部因素導致喪失電力的處理方式；第三個，嚴重事故的處理，核災發生的時候有可能會道路斷裂或者是地震，要有專業人員無法及時抵達的處理機制，核安會是不是可以把你們剛剛的依法其他經主管機關指定的文件，把這三項也納入，請他們提供，然後你們再專業審查，可以嗎？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"高組長斌","start":"2025-12-11T11:22:17.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-11T11:22:42.645000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，有關於當時歐盟專家所提的意見，核安會已經成立核管案件，也持續在辦理，針對耐震這部分，我們也會特別關注，就是把它納進來，也就是要求台電公司機組如果要繼續運轉的時候，要針對地震的可能危害以及相關的安全防護，都要納入整體的評估，來確保整個機組未來的運轉。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2025-12-11T11:22:45.326000+08:00","guesse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謝范雲委員，行政官員請回座。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-11T11:29:44.501000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-11T11:29:47.358143+08:00","text":"現在請伍麗華委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}