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该停下来了让我们的公教人员可以好好的有尊严有保障的过他们的退休生活齐凯特别强调这段时间有非常多限职的公教人员也拉着齐凯说这个不是只有帮助退休的这对限职的也是有帮助的所以今天的案子是限职跟退休全部都帮助到另外我们增订了物价条款"},{"start":104.496,"end":114.814,"text":"現省規定是累計超過物價指數5%以後開始調整結果每次調了都不到5%我們今天明確的要求了以後修正完之後"},{"start":115.922,"end":144.787,"text":"累計物價只是超過5%如果說已經調到已經漲到6%那就調6%到7、8就調7%依照實際的%數讓大家是依照實際的不是每次在打折帶砸折另外呢我們要提出兩個非常嚴正的聲明今天早上沈伯陽突然說今天三毒過後我們要10年多撥7000億給退休的公教根本是一派胡言"},{"start":146.226,"end":169.872,"text":"因為個人專戶的實施的時候就已經造成了一個切口是3370億你怎麼會把那個東西算進來呢而且依照台灣民眾黨提出的版本我們是希望切口10年就撥補完民進黨一直要用20年多造成了750億結果你自己造成的切口怎麼拿來歸罪鬼公教人員這樣是太不應該了"},{"start":171.132,"end":190.399,"text":"依照台湾民主党今天提出的版本我们用的是今年开始填砍没有回溯到以前而且照顾到限制的跟以后的这个卸任的然后用10年的拨补计划那每年我们现在要多多少钱出来只有253亿元这占我们的人事费用不到2%"},{"start":192,"end":202.47,"text":"一萬倍可以彌補過去已經被砍了太多的該停下來的一萬倍讓我們老師們跟公教人員可以有一個尊嚴有一個保障的這個退休的這個晚年"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:32:44.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:32:59.179000+08:00","text":"今天我們要向我們敬愛的公教人員致上敬意，也要撥亂反正，把已經被砍過頭、砍太多的公教退休金導正回來。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:33:00.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:33:13.386000+08:00","text":"台灣民眾黨黨團提出的修正案不是要「倒退嚕」，我們沒有回溯既往，而是從今年開始不要再砍下去了，因為已經砍過頭了！","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:33:14.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:33:51.542000+08:00","text":"我們的主管機關是考試院，考試院本來提出的改革方案是從八成開始，每一年逐年降1%，可是民進黨用了段宜康的版本，竟然從75%開始砍，一年砍了1.5%，到今年底為止，已經嚴重超出了之前主管機關設定的標準，砍太多了，該停下來了，讓我們的公教人員可以好好地、有尊嚴地、有保障地過他們的退休生活。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:33:52.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:34:02.890000+08:00","text":"啓楷要特別強調，這段時間有非常多現職的公教人員也拉著啓楷說：這個不是只有幫助退休的，這對現職的也是有幫助的。","quality":0.52},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:34:03.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:34:06.513000+08:00","text":"所以今天案子是現職的跟退休的人員全部都幫助到。","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:34:06.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:34:17.348000+08:00","text":"另外，我們增訂了物價條款，現行規定累計超過物價指數5%以後開始調整，結果每次調的都不到5%。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:34:17.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:34:34.904000+08:00","text":"我們今天明確要求以後修正完之後，累計物價指數超過5%，如果已經漲到6%，那就調6%；到7%就調7%，依照實際的趴數，讓大家是依照實際的，不是每次打折再打折。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:34:35.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:34:38.545000+08:00","text":"另外，我們要提出兩個非常嚴正的聲明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:34:39.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:34:50.767000+08:00","text":"今天早上沈伯洋突然說今天三讀過後，我們要10年多撥7,000億給退休的公教，根本是一派胡言！","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:34:52.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:35:00.568000+08:00","text":"因為個人專戶實施的時候，就已經造成了一個缺口，是3,370億，你怎麼會把那個東西算進來呢？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:35:01.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:35:15.212000+08:00","text":"而且依照台灣民眾黨黨團提出的版本，我們希望缺口10年就撥補完，但民進黨一直要用20年，多造成750億元，結果你們自己造成的缺口，怎麼拿來歸罪給公教人員？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:35:15.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:35:15.852000+08:00","text":"這樣是太不應該了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:35:17.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:35:30.757000+08:00","text":"依照台灣民眾黨黨團今天提出的版本，我們要求的是今年開始停砍，沒有回溯到以前，照顧到現職和以後卸任的人員，用10年撥補計畫，那麼每年我們需要多多少錢呢？","quality":0.582},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2025-12-12T14:35:31.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-12T14:35:48.450000+08:00","text":"只有253億元，這占我們的人事費用不到2%，一方面可以彌補過去已經砍得太多、該停下來的年改，一方面讓我們的老師跟公教人員可以有一個尊嚴、有一個保障的退休晚年。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-12T14:35:48.950000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-12T14:35:51.807143+08:00","text":"謝謝張啓楷委員的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-12T14:35:52.107143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-12T14:35:57.535714+08:00","text":"接下來請吳思瑤委員發言，羅智強委員請準備。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}