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抱歉"},{"start":440.628,"end":466.875,"text":"這個這樣的話是不是我們應該這樣的人有沒有還在職場上有他接下來的到退休之前他的領的薪水想要增加有沒有可能他已經救治啦都放在雇主那裡啊退休的時候把雇主的這些結清而已嘛可不可以他現在跟雇主商量好願意讓他帶到我們新制然後他在新制可以每個月存6%自體有沒有覺得這樣可以考慮"},{"start":468.482,"end":483.605,"text":"那個委員剛才提到的就是提高勞工的一個特休保障我想這個是大家都想努力的方向勞動部也會往這樣的方向來演繹那委員提的這個建議我會待會去請我們勞動部這邊來做你覺得如果擴大勞退自體的部分有沒有幫助我們勞工的退休保障增加"},{"start":484.285,"end":509.135,"text":"擴大勞工自體對勞工的生活保障是會有幫助好所以我最後結論主席站起來了所以是不是請研議救治勞退基數以滿為尚未退休的勞工他的救治勞退結清經僱主同意協議後全數轉入新制的大水庫剩餘的工作年資得以自體勞退增加其自修保障這個部分是不是可以一個月內跟我們勞動部回去一下提出一個報告是好可以謝謝部長謝謝局長謝謝副市長謝謝好謝謝主席好謝謝"},{"start":515.506,"end":515.527,"text":"好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:15:51.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:15:57.260000+08:00","text":"感謝主席，在場的委員先進、列席的政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:15:58.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:03.905000+08:00","text":"有請我們農業部陳部長、衛福部社保司的陳副司長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:03.905000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:04.905000+08:00","text":"請部長、副司長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:03.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:10.430000+08:00","text":"勞動部勞保局白局長以及主計總處的邱專委。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:10.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:13.012000+08:00","text":"白局長、主計總處邱專委。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:13.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:13.172000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:14.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:14.573000+08:00","text":"部長你好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:15.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:19.048000+08:00","text":"今天我們看到老農津貼，我們看一下，我這裡寫得很清楚，老農津貼的排富應該符合現況，而且不分職業，不管是勞工、一般的國民還是我們的農民，都要加強退休保障。","quality":0.746},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:19.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:19.348000+08:00","text":"請問在場4位都聽得懂、都贊成吧！","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:19.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:19.528000+08:00","text":"都支持嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:19.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:20.649000+08:00","text":"我剛剛講的這個標題，好像你們還沒進入狀況。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:20.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:21.210000+08:00","text":"我說我們應該不分職業，全面強化，你們都認同嗎？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:40.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:40.508000+08:00","text":"認同嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:41.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:41.570000+08:00","text":"也支持啦！部長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:42.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:43.452000+08:00","text":"農業的部分我們就在處理了啊！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:44.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:16:45.815000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，所以我說模範生嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:16:48.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:17:13.532000+08:00","text":"大家都講過了，以目前的生活必需來講，別的不要說，就以臺灣省來講，1萬5,500元是一個人的生活所需，所以現在農業部針對老農津貼進行調整，不要說物價在漲，物價漲也漲很多了，所以這次在調整老農津貼時是不是要考慮到相關的生活費，農業部有把這部分考慮在內嗎？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-12-24T13:17:13.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:17:15.653000+08:00","text":"我們有參考這樣子的一個比例。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:17:17.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:17:21.244000+08:00","text":"好，所以你們也思考到這個點，不是只有考量物價？對。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:17:21.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:17:32.528000+08:00","text":"好，接下來我要談國保年金，是不是目前沒有參加各種職業保險的民眾，就選擇國民年金，是這樣嗎？對。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:17:32.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:17:44.612000+08:00","text":"但是我要跟部長和局長說，其實很多農民參加了很久的農保，但到了接近晚年的時候，他的農地就沒有了，所以他就被農保排除，跑到國保來了。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:17:45.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:17:47.669000+08:00","text":"部長知道有這個情況嗎？了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:17:48.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:17:57.834000+08:00","text":"局長知道有很多農民跑來保國保，國保現在有月領不到4,000的嗎？有。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:17:58.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:18:04.137000+08:00","text":"那如果我們考慮到這些部分，有機會、有能力的話，我們把樓地板往上調，你支持嗎？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"陳副司長真慧","start":"2025-12-24T13:18:06.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:18:11.585000+08:00","text":"如果我們政府的財政負擔是可以的話，原則上，以這些弱勢的民眾來講……好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:18:13.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:18:19.310000+08:00","text":"部長，我大概初估私下了解一下，如果老農津貼從8,000調到1萬，預算大概要編103億，差不多吧？","quality":0.743},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-12-24T13:18:20.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:18:20.651000+08:00","text":"差不多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:18:21.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:18:32.239000+08:00","text":"局長，如果國保年金要把樓地板統統拉到5,000的話，從4,000變5,000，聽說預算也要大概254億，差不多吧？對。好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:18:32.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:18:44.924000+08:00","text":"大家聽好，老農津貼如果要提到1萬，國保要提到5,000，這都很基本的，103億加254億，總共357億，我的算術沒有錯吧？","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:18:45.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:18:56.631000+08:00","text":"請教部長，你知不知道，這一次國、眾兩黨主導的反年金改革，公教退休人員的年金，未來10年國家可能要增加3,600億，是不是有聽說這個數字？有。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:18:57.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:19:14.704000+08:00","text":"平均一年要360億，為了人數不到50萬的退休公教人員，我們政府未來10年裡，一年要多花360億，如果這360億可以用來照顧農民，照顧我們的國保，拿357億來照顧國保年金跟老農津貼，部長，你支不支持？","quality":0.689},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-12-24T13:19:14.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:19:23.394000+08:00","text":"不過我想，針對農民津貼的部分，我們會根據我們希望提高的額度跟所有的經費，我希望是受到政府的支持。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:19:23.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:19:29.821000+08:00","text":"所以你也不反對其他人也增加，農民要提高，其他也要提高，有支持嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:19:30.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:19:31.102000+08:00","text":"就是說，包括比農民領得少的，你不會反對吧？","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-12-24T13:19:33.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:19:37.946000+08:00","text":"以農業部的立場，就是要考慮到跟八大社福基金的衡平性。是的。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:19:39.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:19:43.449000+08:00","text":"比老農津貼還少的就是國保年金，我們希望最弱勢的往上提。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:19:44.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:20:06.686000+08:00","text":"我要問陳部長，其實目前我們的排富都是算這個500萬，你知道，在農村地區，農地不太值錢，但如果是農村地方的建地，地價會調整，所以其實有些老人家退了，他還是務農，但是因為他持有的農地地價上漲，他就被排除了，有沒有這種情況？有。","quality":0.832},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:20:07.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:20:08.567000+08:00","text":"那我們希望把它合理調整，支持嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-12-24T13:20:11.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:20:14.432000+08:00","text":"剛剛的報告也是朝這個方向在做。很好。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:20:14.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:20:16.172000+08:00","text":"好，那我們今天的訴求大概到這裡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:20:17.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:20:27.196000+08:00","text":"所以如果按照老農津貼這些條例，農業部報行政院，送來這裡，通過，明年來得及實施嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-12-24T13:20:29.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:20:30.679000+08:00","text":"明年要不要實施……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:20:31.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:20:31.720000+08:00","text":"有沒有預算？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-12-24T13:20:32.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:20:43.410000+08:00","text":"一個前提就是我們的總預算要進到實質審查以後，總預算通過以後，然後我們再根據相關的規定去做請增。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:20:43.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:20:50.576000+08:00","text":"照理說，其實就算今年修法通過，明年應該來不及，應該後年才行，因為要在會計年度結束前4個月前提出。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:20:51.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:20:55.399000+08:00","text":"所以說，如果這個通過，要編預算，也是編後年度的，明年提出來，是不是這樣？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-12-24T13:20:55.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:00.103000+08:00","text":"我們是期待向行政院爭取專案的請增經費。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:00.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:01.004000+08:00","text":"那要立法院同意嘛。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:01.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:10.250000+08:00","text":"這個沒有，這個基本上就是預算如果沒有通過的時候，那相對地，所有的二備金或災害準備金……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:10.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:13.053000+08:00","text":"來，我們請教一下邱專委，來得及嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:14.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:20.547000+08:00","text":"今年我們通過這個條例，如果有調升的話，明年的預算現在連審都還沒審，是不是後年才來得及？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"邱專門委員碧珠","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:23.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:30.476000+08:00","text":"報告委員，115年度的預算目前還沒有真正付委討論……","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:30.476000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:31.476000+08:00","text":"所以呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:30.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:32.678000+08:00","text":"所以可以來得及？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:34.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:38.124000+08:00","text":"所以我們明年再審這個年度預算反而比較好，你是這個意思嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:39.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:44.165000+08:00","text":"還是說，這個通過了，可以編入後年度的預算？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:45.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:48.329000+08:00","text":"還是說，連明年的都還沒審，後年的就不用講了？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:48.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:49.990000+08:00","text":"到底是哪一種？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱專門委員碧珠","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:49.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:53.012000+08:00","text":"其實應該要搭配法案到底是什麼時候生效。好。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:53.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:21:57.416000+08:00","text":"那如果法案審過了，明年生效，什麼時候可以開始實施？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱專門委員碧珠","start":"2025-12-24T13:21:59.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:22:01.061000+08:00","text":"明年生效的話，因為現在……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:22:01.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:22:03.463000+08:00","text":"好了，我好像問錯人了，請休息。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:22:05.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:22:14.592000+08:00","text":"所以我還是贊成陳部長說的，我們今年審明年度的預算，如果可以趕快審過，才有機會，不然的話，不要說明年度，連後年度都很難。對。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2025-12-24T13:22:14.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:22:22.074000+08:00","text":"我簡單地講，就是說，我們大家都有共識，通過這個法案，會增加所需要的經費，如果總預算不通過的話，什麼都不用談。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:22:22.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:22:24.174000+08:00","text":"很好，就是這一句話，總預算不通過，什麼都不用講。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:22:24.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:22:28.615000+08:00","text":"最後，用一點點時間請教一下社保司。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:22:30.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:22:32.656000+08:00","text":"「真慧」這個名字很好，臺語叫「真會」，不是「假會」。","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:22:34.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:22:45.505000+08:00","text":"請真慧副司長來，依我們的勞退舊制，是不是有人年資已經超過15年，再加上15年，已經拿到45個基數，現在還沒退休的？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:22:49.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:22:49.609000+08:00","text":"這個是問對人了嘛？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:22:52.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:22:54.493000+08:00","text":"我剛剛是問勞保局，唉！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:22:55.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:22:56.034000+08:00","text":"我叫錯人了，對不起。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:22:57.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:22:59.718000+08:00","text":"應該是因為你的名字太好記了，應該問白局長，不好意思。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:23:02.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:23:09.370000+08:00","text":"我剛剛說的這樣的人，有沒有還在職場上？有。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:23:09.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:23:14.991000+08:00","text":"他接下來到退休之前，他領的薪水想要增加，有沒有可能？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:23:16.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:23:20.353000+08:00","text":"他已經依照舊制了，退休金都放在雇主那裡，退休的時候把雇主的這些結清而已嘛。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:23:21.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:23:26.674000+08:00","text":"如果他現在跟雇主商量好，雇主願意讓他帶到新制，然後他的薪資可不可以每個月存6%自提？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:23:27.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:23:28.875000+08:00","text":"你有沒有覺得這樣可以考慮？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"白局長麗真","start":"2025-12-24T13:23:30.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:23:40.577000+08:00","text":"委員剛才提到的就是提高勞工的退休保障，我想這個是大家都想努力的方向，勞動部也會往這樣的方向來研議，委員提的這個建議，我會帶回去，請勞動部來做……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:23:41.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:23:45.585000+08:00","text":"你覺得如果擴大勞退自提的部分，有沒有幫助我們勞工的退休保障增加？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"白局長麗真","start":"2025-12-24T13:23:46.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:23:49.126000+08:00","text":"擴大勞工自提對勞工的生活保障是會有幫助的。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:23:49.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:24:09.715000+08:00","text":"好，我最後結論，所以是不是請研議舊制勞退基數已滿而尚未退休的勞工，他的舊制勞退結清，經雇主同意協議後，全數轉入新制的大水庫，剩餘的工作年資可以自提勞退增加其退休保障，這個部分是不是可以於一個月內跟我們勞動部回去研議，提出一個報告？好，是。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:24:10.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:24:10.375000+08:00","text":"好，可以。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:24:10.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:24:10.935000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長、謝謝局長、謝謝副司長，謝謝。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2025-12-24T13:24:11.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:24:11.075000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-24T13:24:11.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-24T13:24:11.135000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-24T13:24:11.635000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-24T13:24:12.777857+08:00","text":"各位請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-24T13:24:13.077857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-24T13:24:16.792143+08:00","text":"接下來請黃秀芳委員來做詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}