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政策如果有調整那這個可能及時的讓大家知道以免期待落差太大 好不好好 那相關的報告也就麻煩你們送到本席的辦公室好嗎 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:28:49+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:28:50+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:28:49.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:28:59.771000+08:00","text":"非常感謝召委今天安排這個主題，也就是針對這次無差別攻擊犯罪事件，我們在這邊討論如何防治與量刑檢討的相關議題。","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:29:00.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:29:33.306000+08:00","text":"在現在這個多元的社會，我們碰到這一類事件會越來越多，這次我們大概就先針對這個事件發生以後，我們整個國家是不是有足備能力來針對假訊息及陰謀論做一些處理跟因應，這整個事件裡面很重要的就是網路跟社群平臺……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-31T10:29:33.306000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:29:34.306000+08:00","text":"已經開始了？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:29:34.306000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:29:35.306000+08:00","text":"召委，我是想先讓他們休息。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-31T10:29:35.306000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:29:36.306000+08:00","text":"喔，先讓他們休息，好，沒關係，那時間先進行。","quality":0.059},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:29:36.306000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:29:37.306000+08:00","text":"對，我剛才就開始了。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:29:33.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:30:40.989000+08:00","text":"針對網路跟社群平臺上一些沒有查證的訊息，這些陰謀論的相關指控，會刻意渲染犯者的家世、背景、國籍、親屬身分，甚至還散播了相關境外勢力的滲透及特定族群製造恐攻等等的說法，這些內容在當時其實是沒有經過警方的證實，而且還被很多專業人士談到這已經是造謠了，所以本席在這邊要指出來的是，整個資訊戰會從失控的言論資訊趁虛而入，往往是透過重大的公安事件，利用恐懼、不安跟憤怒來放大社會的內部矛盾，然後刻意挑動大家平常在關心的政黨、族群、身分跟地域的對立，重點就是會讓整個社會的互信削弱，也會癱瘓了集體的理性跟決策能力。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:30:42.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:30:48.871000+08:00","text":"本席現在要請教警政署，今天警政署來列席的是王組長嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:30:48.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:30:48.991000+08:00","text":"還有廖政監。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-31T10:30:49.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:30:49.731000+08:00","text":"保安組的王副組長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-31T10:30:49.731000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:30:57.762000+08:00","text":"林委員，刑事警察局的警政監也需要上臺嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-31T10:30:57.762000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:31:05.793000+08:00","text":"好，兩位都在，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:31:05.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:31:40.494000+08:00","text":"剛才本席已經把背景大概交代了一下，所以重點就在於事件發生的同時，可能在這個多元的社會裡面，現在我們會面對很多沒有辦法預期的狀態，所以警政署在事情發生以後，對於網路上大量流傳且沒有經過查證嫌犯背景的陰謀論跟仇恨性的一些言論，刑事警察局是不是已經有系統性的蒐集、掌握跟分析了呢？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:31:41.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:31:53.746000+08:00","text":"第二個部分是假設訊息明顯的涉及許多不實的資訊，然後惡意煽動相關的對立，警政機關目前的因應作為是什麼，是只能在事後澄清呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:31:54.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:31:57.649000+08:00","text":"還是可以及時通報跨部會的聯防與追查？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:31:59.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:32:02.073000+08:00","text":"是不是可以請警政署這邊做個回應。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副組長炳睿","start":"2025-12-31T10:32:02.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:32:02.614000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副組長炳睿","start":"2025-12-31T10:32:02.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:32:07.258000+08:00","text":"因為這部分是刑事局的業務，我請刑事局來說明。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"廖警政監宗宏","start":"2025-12-31T10:32:10.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:32:18.957000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，就是專案成立之後，我們警政署有成立一個專案的小組，他每天都會回報……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:32:18.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:32:19.857000+08:00","text":"在當時嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:32:19.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:32:20.758000+08:00","text":"就是當時馬上是嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"廖警政監宗宏","start":"2025-12-31T10:32:21.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:32:23.099000+08:00","text":"對，馬上就成立了，對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖警政監宗宏","start":"2025-12-31T10:32:23.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:32:44.111000+08:00","text":"我們現在每天都會統計網路上面有一些恐怖攻擊的或者不實的這些言論，目前有收集到118件，已經查緝了23件及22人，我們每天都會做管制，而且會通報各縣市警察局聯合進行查緝以提升……","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:32:44.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:32:48.595000+08:00","text":"好的，這是針對本席的第一個問題，你們針對這個事件大概有一些系統性的整理……是。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:32:49.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:33:00.205000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，如果在他犯案的同時間，很快地就有人同時在散布這些言論的話，那你們是不是只能在散播之後，然後有一些回報的時候才能有所回應呢？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:33:00.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:33:03.208000+08:00","text":"還是可以及時進行跨部會的處理跟追查？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"廖警政監宗宏","start":"2025-12-31T10:33:04.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:33:07.600000+08:00","text":"這個部分的話我們會通報各縣市警察局，他們有一個科技犯罪偵查的……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:33:07.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:33:20.934000+08:00","text":"不過像這次事件就發生在臺北市嘛，如果通報各縣市警察局可能時間又更久了，本席是談在事件發生的當下，你們的整個處理在即時性的部分，大概會有怎樣的誤差呢？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"廖警政監宗宏","start":"2025-12-31T10:33:22.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:33:26.720000+08:00","text":"針對一些比較重大的事件，我們會立即通報相關的部會。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:33:27.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:33:48.434000+08:00","text":"好啦，講到通報，你剛才講到通報各縣市或是相關的部會，其實本席比較關心的是，面對這些可能跟事件直接相關或間接相關，或者是沒有相關的這些資訊，其實它有時候會變成、誤導成另外一個事件的發生，這個部分你們如何因應跟處理？","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:33:49.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:33:57.864000+08:00","text":"你剛才其實也沒有直接回應這些問題，是不是可以就你們在這件事情的作為，給本席送一個報告，好不好？是。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:33:59.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:34:16.601000+08:00","text":"剛才本席講的部分，最主要就是在事件發生的時候，很多的謠言、陰謀論跟仇恨的敘事都會在社會當中發酵，這會產生國安問題，但這個國安問題不是事件的本身，而是可能平常就有一些東西在發酵。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:34:16.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:34:35.932000+08:00","text":"所以其實這次個案可以讓我們看到整體性的整個社會安全或國安問題該怎麼去處理，因為很多在這個事件裡面搞不好跟國安沒關的，然後他就會導引成一個國安的事件跟狀態，然後把真正要處理的問題焦點導到別的地方。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:34:37.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:34:55.518000+08:00","text":"新聞又尤其會這個樣子，把一些陰謀論然後推波助瀾又成為另外一種幫兇，所以這個部分，我覺得你們應該要在這次事件裡面做一個整理，然後聚焦在如何不要讓事件擴大成為其他不相干的一些問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:34:57.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:35:03.443000+08:00","text":"第二個部分我要請教法務部跟國土安全辦公室，是不是請相關的代表上台。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:35:06.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:35:16.553000+08:00","text":"本席剛才講到陰謀論跟仇恨的敘事在社會中會發酵，有的時候不是只有在輿論的層次，有的時候就會產生一些集體暴力的模仿跟再現。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:35:16.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:35:27.079000+08:00","text":"這一次，我們知道法務部這邊有相關的一些處理，但是這次重大的隨機殺人事件，除了有假訊息也有陰謀論的擴散以外，還出現了一些恐嚇的言論、攻擊的預告跟仿效的訊息，這也是一個仿效效應的警訊。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:35:36.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:35:55.193000+08:00","text":"法務部有對外表示，你們要全面啟動應變作為，目前高等檢察署有成立督導應變小組，也要求各地方檢察署成立防範恐怖攻擊應變小組，要強化網路的巡查，這個是法務部目前已經做的。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:35:55.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:36:05.439000+08:00","text":"本席這邊要強調幾點，剛才部長這邊有提到，在這個事件發生之後，檢調機關目前辦了14個人、37個案件嗎？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:36:05.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:36:05.840000+08:00","text":"這個部分是不是可以請您……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-12-31T10:36:05.840000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:36:06.840000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:36:05.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:36:23.216000+08:00","text":"我是剛才聽到委員在質詢的時候，您有回應這樣一個數據，因為這也是本席的問題，所以可不可以請您就這個部分再更深入一點的回應？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-12-31T10:36:23.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:36:42.354000+08:00","text":"我再跟委員做一個報告，這個案件發生至今一個多禮拜到十天左右，到昨天為止，我們已經辦了40個案件，有被告38名，其中5個人已經起訴了；另外我們聲押18件，羈押的13人，具保9人，暫時安置有1人。","quality":0.707},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-12-31T10:36:43.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:37:04.809000+08:00","text":"關於這部分，督導小組跟應變小組的確是專組專責檢察官來辦案的，不是內勤，是專責來辦案的，跟警方和調查局有設置一個聯繫的窗口，所以我們會指揮警方跟調查局循例查緝這些模仿的效應。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-12-31T10:37:04.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:37:11.313000+08:00","text":"因為這種行為會使民眾恐慌，所以我們是全力壓制，這部分是我們實際的作為跟成果。","quality":0.657},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2025-12-31T10:37:13.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:37:25.498000+08:00","text":"另外，對被害人那一部分，我們事實上也採取了關懷機制，在第一時間我們都已經跟被害人進行聯繫，我們啟動一路相伴的關懷服務……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:37:25.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:37:26.919000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:37:28.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:37:40.003000+08:00","text":"本席剛才的問題您在這邊的回應，本席希望您後續就整個案件已經偵辦完成的部分，給本席一個簡單的、內容上的、主旨上的一個回應，好不好？好，是。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:37:43.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:38:02.116000+08:00","text":"針對恐嚇維安的言論，你們目前已經做了一些處理，本席這邊也要請教的，這應該跟國土安全辦比較有關係，在這個部分，如果尚未構成犯罪，但是有一些高度風險的象徵，國土辦是不是有確保暢通的跨部會的前端介入機制？","quality":0.604},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:38:02.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:38:17.086000+08:00","text":"本席這邊談的是模仿效應的前端防制問題，比如風險的通報、評估或中央機關、地方政府社福、校園體系的協作，以提前降低後續極端行為發生的可能？","quality":0.77},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:38:18.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:38:22.891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nd":"2025-12-31T10:47:51.851000+08:00","text":"最重要的是，本席長期關心司法人員過勞的問題，當然你們有找出很多方式想要來推動，但是推動的成效、結果或者政策如果有調整，可能要即時讓大家知道，以免期待的落差太大，好不好？","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"李廳長釱任","start":"2025-12-31T10:47:51.851000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:47:52.851000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員指教。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2025-12-31T10:47:52.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2025-12-31T10:47:55.312000+08:00","text":"好，相關的報告就麻煩你們送到本席辦公室好嗎？謝謝。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"李廳長釱任","start":"2025-12-31T10:47:55.812000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:47:58.383429+08:00","text":"是，我們會後提供，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-31T10:47:58.683429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:48:00.683429+08:00","text":"謝謝林倩綺委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-31T10:48:00.983429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:48:07.554857+08:00","text":"待會在羅智強委員發言、詢答完畢之後，我們就休息5分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2025-12-31T10:48:07.854857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2025-12-31T10:48:10.997714+08:00","text":"接下來請吳思瑤委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}