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時間過了就放過去嘛現在讓我詫異的是什麼"},{"start":557.392,"end":571.802,"text":"差異的是你們修政府採購法是把後門打開一點我再說一次啦這件事情交給社會大眾公平台灣民眾黨立法院黨團的立場很清楚我絕對不會同意你們把它縮短"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:35:27.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:35:34.722000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，麻煩有請公共工程委員會主任委員、國防部官員。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-05T12:35:35.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:35:43.385000+08:00","text":"請陳主委、國防部採購室余處長。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:35:43.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:35:43.585000+08:00","text":"兩位好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-01-05T12:35:43.585000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-05T12:35:56.098000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:35:56.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:36:12.969000+08:00","text":"在國會殿堂，我非常痛恨官員說謊，在各個民主先進國家，官員在國會備詢也好、聽證也好，說謊必須要面臨非常嚴重的法律責任。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:36:14.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:36:37.863000+08:00","text":"但是臺灣的民主非常特別，有一群奇怪的人說在國會說謊被處罰是違憲的，判決作出來了，我們也都尊重，留待給歷史跟後人去評價，也讓臺灣的國會成為獨步全球、連說謊也沒有關係的國會。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:36:37.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:36:38.904000+08:00","text":"會造成什麼狀況呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:36:40.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:37:16.353000+08:00","text":"我說明一下，這個案子我追非常久了，納稅人支持國防、支持國軍，但納稅人的錢不是要拿去給不肖廠商胡搞瞎搞，納稅人的錢是要去做抗彈纖維、去做防彈背心，結果有廠商卻用中國的劣質貨來魚目混珠，置國軍弟兄的安危於不顧，對這種垃圾廠商我是深惡痛絕，所以我開始追了。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:37:18.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:37:29.448000+08:00","text":"兩個垃圾廠商，一個叫大眾電腦，得標0.7億；一個是大同公司，得標2.45億。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:37:29.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:37:51.297000+08:00","text":"整個弊案被揭發了以後，這個都判刑了，所以不用再去扯什麼要尊重司法判決，大眾電腦停權3年，我一直在追，大同的政商背景、後臺比較強是不是？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:37:52.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:37:56.677000+08:00","text":"為什麼大同沒有一併停權？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:37:56.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:38:17.085000+08:00","text":"我問國防部，有一個特定的綠色媒體在上面講說這個只有延遲計罰、沒收履約保證金，沒有停權是工程會調解未刊登政府採購公報。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:38:18.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:38:33.906000+08:00","text":"這件事情我質詢過，主委也回答過，回去查了以後，根本沒調解，問題就來了，是這個綠色媒體在說謊，還是誰在說謊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:38:33.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:38:42.434000+08:00","text":"我問國防部，國防部說那個綠色媒體的陳述不是事實，消息來源也不是本部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:38:43.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:38:51.404000+08:00","text":"結果被人家打臉，國防部傳給那個媒體的訊息都被人家po出來了。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:38:52.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:39:09.153000+08:00","text":"現在問題來了，請國防部，當初國防部誰決定函復給我的內容竟然敢說謊，說這個訊息的來源不是國防部，誰作這個決定的？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:39:10.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:39:17.641000+08:00","text":"現在是國防部跟特定的媒體在幫大同公司圍事嗎？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:39:17.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:39:19.222000+08:00","text":"是這樣嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"余處長宗學","start":"2026-01-05T12:39:19.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:39:25.245000+08:00","text":"報告委員，跟委員說明一下這個部分，因為本部後來查證，可能是時間點的落差。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:39:25.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:39:26.986000+08:00","text":"什麼叫時間點的落差？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:39:27.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:39:28.387000+08:00","text":"胡說八道！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:39:29.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:39:32.510000+08:00","text":"早就回了，什麼叫時間點的落差？","quality":1},{"speaker":"余處長宗學","start":"2026-01-05T12:39:33.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:39:36.092000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個部分確實……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:39:36.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:39:37.733000+08:00","text":"國防部現在是在散播假訊息嗎？是嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"余處長宗學","start":"2026-01-05T12:39:40.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:39:41.227000+08:00","text":"不是、不是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"余處長宗學","start":"2026-01-05T12:39:41.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:39:47.112000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個部分經本部查證，確實是由國防部提供的。對啊！","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:39:48.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:11.239000+08:00","text":"但沒有進行調解，所以我才說，第一個，國防部欺騙我，在國會說謊；第二個，國防部散布的是百分之百的假訊息，根本沒有進行調解，說因為進行調解，所以沒有停權，這不是假訊息嗎？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:11.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:12.620000+08:00","text":"這是澈澈底底的假訊息啊！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:14.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:16.844000+08:00","text":"請問國防部，懲處了誰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:16.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:18.385000+08:00","text":"要不要懲處？","quality":1},{"speaker":"余處長宗學","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:18.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:20.547000+08:00","text":"委員，這個部分我們會檢討。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:20.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:21.828000+08:00","text":"如何檢討？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:21.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:24.290000+08:00","text":"用嘴巴檢討？是。是？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:24.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:24.950000+08:00","text":"用嘴巴檢討？","quality":1},{"speaker":"余處長宗學","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:26.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:29.974000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個部分已經在檢討中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:30.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:31.816000+08:00","text":"已經在檢討，檢討多久了？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:33.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:41.224000+08:00","text":"我質詢這件事情超過一年，國防部檢討這件事情，檢討到今天還在檢討，是要檢討到什麼時候？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:42.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:44.587000+08:00","text":"檢討到2028年嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:44.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:45.908000+08:00","text":"還是要檢討到2032年？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:46.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:47.549000+08:00","text":"要檢討多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"余處長宗學","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:51.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:54.254000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們兩週內給委員一個書面答復。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:40:54.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:40:55.535000+08:00","text":"兩週內給我書面回復，說明誰要對這個假訊息負責。是。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:41:03.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:41:05.072000+08:00","text":"更重要的事情是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:41:05.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:41:12.134000+08:00","text":"哪裡是因為調解，所以沒有刊登政府採購公報，實際上的狀況是什麼？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:41:12.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:41:22.076000+08:00","text":"能拖就拖、能混就混嘛，能拖就拖、能混就混啊，大眾電腦的後臺可能比較不強，馬上就被停權了。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:41:23.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:41:41.085000+08:00","text":"大同的後臺很強，拖了非常久，拖到要刊登政府採購公報的時候，結果裁處權時效屆滿，這不就是你們國防部放水嗎？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:41:41.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:41:53.155000+08:00","text":"一直拖、一直混，混到裁處權時效屆滿，沒有辦法刊登政府採購公報，這個責任有在追究嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:41:53.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:41:55.457000+08:00","text":"有在追究嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"余處長宗學","start":"2026-01-05T12:41:55.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:41:55.998000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們回去檢討。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:41:56.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:42:04.441000+08:00","text":"回去檢討，一樣，兩個禮拜之內，怎麼檢討的、要懲處誰，用書面回復可以嗎？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"余處長宗學","start":"2026-01-05T12:42:04.441000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-05T12:42:05.441000+08:00","text":"是，可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:42:04.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:42:05.081000+08:00","text":"好，請主委。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:42:06.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:42:27.888000+08:00","text":"今天我看到你們政府採購法的修法內容，我看了非常地詫異，過去已經有用混的，混到裁處權時效過了，用中國的假布料來當我們阿兵哥的抗彈背心，因為裁處權時效過了，過到怎麼樣？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:42:27.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:42:33.214000+08:00","text":"過到根本沒有刊登政府採購公報，依照現行法的規定，裁處權的時效是多久？5年。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:42:36.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:42:37.478000+08:00","text":"你們修成幾年？2年。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:42:38.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:42:39.680000+08:00","text":"所以是怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員國昌","start":"2026-01-05T12:42:39.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-05T12:42:44.194000+08:00","text":"放水得還不夠多喔？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-01-05T12:42:44.194000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-05T12:42:45.674000+08:00","text":"我請副主委跟你說明。","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