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38.57可是部長我先幫你看一個比較嚴重的事情"},{"start":303.39,"end":332.618,"text":"右邊這個這是台灣民眾每個月消費的支出在民國84年12501塊錢到了今年 到了113年變多少2600多欸所以就遠遠追不到嘛 追不上去嘛 對不對所以在上個月24號我們在未還跟經濟的聯席會上很多議委 包括民眾黨都有提說要把這個老農津貼的幅度要適度的提高你說送到行政院 那現在已經定案了嗎 要提高多少"},{"start":334.744,"end":351.779,"text":"我跟委員報告 今天是在審我們相關的這些農業 科技 研究 植物 品種學那相關的這些農民退休的一個制度我們上次在委員會已經報告過了那現在您這邊所提到的我今天就是要追蹤說你到底定你不是說送到行政院兩個禮拜啦定了沒有"},{"start":352.472,"end":374.147,"text":"我們當然訂啦我們只是在等適當的時間送到院會裡面會送到立法院來我跟你委員報告齁您在這邊提的這些經費這些經費如果大家討論有共識那大家OK行政部門跟立法部門如果有共識那退就非常順那同樣的如果總預算"},{"start":375.25,"end":403.89,"text":"不去處理 再多的法案增加農民福利的東西 也沒辦法做啦所以回歸段還是要在總預算要盡快的去實行全國民眾都知道嘛 趕快把軍人加薪警消的手的踢下去 那個解決啦總預算就省啊就農業部的預算來講我們哪一個部分 如果在委員會大家可以有問題可以說這次你有解決了 這次用同樣方法趕快啊 就沒有卡關問題啊啊你現在在講 我現在問你老人津貼後來訂了嗎"},{"start":405.529,"end":429.295,"text":"你覺得今天還不適合講就對了 今天還不適合講就對了啦是不是我們送到立法院立法委員就知道啦你以前的質詢答詢不是這樣子啦對不對因為我覺得你非常不合理啊你真的非常不合理啊為什麼不合理我覺得我們的所有的總預算應該該進到委員會就進到委員會如果委員會有任何的問題不管在哪個部會有問題的都可以在那個部會去提嘛"},{"start":429.875,"end":436.7,"text":"那舊農業部來講沒有 舊農業部來講農業部的預算已經沒有了要進到經濟委員會好了啊你們在行政你們為什麼不在經濟委員會去來執行農業部的預算那你去年為什麼要到行政院長的辦公室去協商那不就是解決問題的方法嗎你去年為什麼要去"},{"start":453.649,"end":465.473,"text":"我不是因為你去的對啊我不是因為你去的那是為國家大政嘛那是一個正常的國家 正常的體制 正常的方法嘛而且他成功嘛行政院長 我們三長民眾黨團的三長 國民黨的三長 民進黨的三長一起去把問題解決了嘛"},{"start":470.214,"end":496.194,"text":"我今天提供了不要吵架我們現在共同要解決問題好不好 時間到了去年既然可以成功當然今天就是可以成功 你是在威脅我覺得你是用這種東西去威脅我們的預算預算一定要進到審查你這樣講不就是威脅別人嗎最重要是用法治面來解決問題全世界的民主普通國家都這樣解決以前的民進黨政府連陳水扁連蔡英文都這樣解決我們農業部的預算覺得經得起考驗只要進到委員會我們就來溝通嘛"},{"start":497.955,"end":500.343,"text":"趕快跟總統跟院長講啊趕快解決法定預算的問題我們時間到了 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:54:31.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:54:48.123000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請陳部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-07T09:54:48.123000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T09:54:59.600000+08:00","text":"請陳部長。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T09:54:59.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:54:59.780000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:55:01.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:55:11.525000+08:00","text":"部長，剛才民進黨的立委說總預算被卡住了，卡住總預算的不就是賴清德總統跟卓榮泰行政院長嗎？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:55:11.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:55:18.748000+08:00","text":"從國際上來看，全世界的民主國家，哪有一個是立法院三讀通過的法定預算不編的？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:55:19.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:55:29.581000+08:00","text":"從中華民國的歷史來看，包括以前民進黨執政的陳水扁時代、蔡英文時代，立法院三讀通過的預算有不編的嗎？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:55:30.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:55:30.702000+08:00","text":"卡關總預算……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T09:55:31.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:55:33.544000+08:00","text":"我也跟委員報告，也沒有一個立法院……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:55:33.544000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T09:55:34.544000+08:00","text":"我沒有問你，聽我講完。","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T09:55:34.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:55:39.267000+08:00","text":"立法院從來沒有到現在這個時候都還沒有審今年度的預算，從來沒有過。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:55:39.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:55:52.976000+08:00","text":"就是因為賴清德跟卓榮泰卡關嘛，這是全世界的笑話，全在賴清德一念之間，他想通了，總預算馬上就審，馬上沒有卡關的問題。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:55:52.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:55:54.377000+08:00","text":"總預算卡關，去年也卡住啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:55:55.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:06.002000+08:00","text":"部長，你應該很清楚去年為什麼卡住，立法院通過了公糧收購要調高，你們一直卡！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:06.002000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:07.003000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，在主決議的時候是參考用……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:07.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:11.347000+08:00","text":"還有原住民的禁伐補償，行政院一毛錢都不編。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:11.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:14.589000+08:00","text":"我們非常尊重委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:14.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:15.290000+08:00","text":"我也很尊重你，我要問你去年……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:15.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:16.231000+08:00","text":"所以相對的，預算要儘快地來審……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:20.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:24.300000+08:00","text":"部長，對嘛，就是因為總統跟行政院把它卡住，你趕快編法定預算進來，去年……","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:25.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:32.953000+08:00","text":"總預算進到委員會審查的時候，委員有任何意見，我們還可以再做後續的，不管是用追加或其他的方式來處理。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:32.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:35.877000+08:00","text":"去年不就是卡關以後有成功解決的個案嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:37.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:44.978000+08:00","text":"去年公糧收購你沒有編，後來我代表黨團，我們不是到行政院去朝野協商嗎？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:44.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:45.539000+08:00","text":"你也在場啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:46.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:53.603000+08:00","text":"後來你們允諾了，把原住民的禁伐補償調高、把公糧收購調高，預算不就審了嗎？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:53.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:56:56.825000+08:00","text":"你們先製造問題，但你們不解決問題，我們跟你朝野協商。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T09:56:57.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:57:01.367000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，如果委員任何一個提案說今天要調高……","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:57:01.367000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T09:57:07.236000+08:00","text":"我現在也跟你講了，你只要把軍人的調薪……去年有成功，對不對？","quality":0.28},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:57:07.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:57:08.317000+08:00","text":"部長，去年公糧收購解決了！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T09:57:08.317000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T09:57:09.317000+08:00","text":"原住民禁伐……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T09:57:08.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T09:57:18.803000+08: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:"我不是因為你去的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:06.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:07.390000+08:00","text":"那是因為國家大政嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:07.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:11.892000+08:00","text":"那是一個正常的國家、正常的體制、正常的方法，而且它成功嘛！","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:11.892000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:12.892000+08:00","text":"任何立法院增加的預算違反……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:12.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:15.453000+08:00","text":"行政院院長、民眾黨的三長、國民黨的三長、民進黨的三長一起去把問題解決了嘛！","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:15.453000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:20.214000+08:00","text":"時間到囉！","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:20.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:23.176000+08:00","text":"我今天在提供的……不要吵架，我們現在要共同解決問題，好不好？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:23.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:25.378000+08:00","text":"去年既然可以成功，當然今天……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:25.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:30.542000+08:00","text":"你是在威脅，我覺得你是用這種東西在威脅我們的預算，預算一定要進到審查。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:30.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:32.543000+08:00","text":"部長，你這樣講不就是威脅別人嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:32.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:33.304000+08:00","text":"最重要的是法制面……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:33.304000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:34.885000+08:00","text":"我哪一句話是威脅？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:34.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:42.451000+08:00","text":"從法制面來解決問題，全世界的民主國家都這樣解決，以前的民進黨政府連陳水扁、蔡英文都這樣解決啊！","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:42.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:46.174000+08:00","text":"我們農業部的預算絕對經得起考驗，只要進到委員會，我們就來溝通嘛！","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:46.174000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:47.174000+08:00","text":"時間到了，如果沒有完成的，請農業部提供書面答復。好！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:47.174000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:48.174000+08:00","text":"部長，時間到了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:47.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:49.019000+08:00","text":"趕快去跟總統跟院長講啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員啓楷","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:49.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:50.122000+08:00","text":"你也趕快解決法定預算的問題！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:50.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:50.343000+08:00","text":"張啓楷委員，時間到了。謝謝。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-07T10:02:50.843000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T10:02:53.128714+08:00","text":"請楊瓊瓔委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}