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你就是支持他就對因為 娟生晃 黃仁勛也是來自台灣阿台灣幫助台灣人 這有什麼害怕的對的事情就堅持那既然往這個方向發展請問今年的經濟成長率大概你們預估是多少"},{"start":296.767,"end":319.518,"text":"今年根據主計數預估大概是3.5次那ADB有到4%左右那這個成績其實還蠻不錯因為去年我們是7.37去年年初的時候就是換到前年年底左右你們預估只有3點多而已結果去年出來的成績是7.35"},{"start":321.348,"end":347.526,"text":"那個報告委員你的數據有點低估另外再請教一下國發基金裡面現在有沒有持股台積電當然有比率多少6點多6點多對6%多6點那就是有36兆多囉是不是按照他市值來算的話3兆多啦3、4兆的股票的市值啦對那面對現在的情況"},{"start":348.703,"end":375.561,"text":"那你们会不会卖因为股价已经很高了会不会卖股票我们最近我们很多年都没有出脱台积电的股票很多年是因为那时候五百块开始起涨你那时候当然不会卖因为那个投信工会理事长张喜从五百块一直喊喊到一千多块还在喊就证明他是对的所以你们当初我一直逼迫你们就说你们到底要不要卖"},{"start":376.321,"end":402.834,"text":"還好你們那時候聽了本席的建議一張都沒賣現在本席還是繼續要請問你因為台積電之於台灣未來經濟的發展還是相當的重要所以你們手上台積電的股票會不會賣我們國發基金持股不以獲利為目的所以會不會賣所以我們會秉持我們覺得我們需不需要持有這個台灣的策略性產業的思考的範疇來決定我們"},{"start":405.376,"end":431.318,"text":"我們會不會有相關的事故的行為需不需要繼續掌控這樣的一個核心的價值跟技術那個委員你覺得呢很需要啊對很需要所以你就不會賣就對了我剛才說過我剛才我們的處理的原則是小心啊不要台積電最後淪落變成是美國的附庸因為持股最多還是外資啊是不是這樣"},{"start":433.19,"end":444.738,"text":"目前是 可是他不是單一的大概都是Pension Fund那些等等的他不是 如果是單一投資人的話我想國發基金還是最大的因為我們有這樣的基礎我最要恭喜的就是財政部莊部長每天笑嘻嘻今天都開心部長 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你現在送來的資料是要多少我們的預算案數的政交稅是2501億你又低估了如果以日均量8000億來算的話那你一年的預估是多少"},{"start":590.047,"end":617.385,"text":"我們基本上我們會用整年的一個平均數來計算這個證交稅那當然我們在編的時候事實上是在今年譬如說14年再編15年的時候大概在四五月就開始做籌編事實上很難去預估說15年整體的證交稅日均量的平均量是會是多少那大概都好了我們把這個市場把餅做大我們也歡迎很多海外的資金可以進來投資那"},{"start":619.827,"end":623.849,"text":"最後再問一個問題普發現金現在進度怎麼樣全部都領到了嗎普發現金目前已經領取的人數超過2170萬人了大概是92.22%的人都已經領取了面對這次的普發現金整個作業流程部長您滿不滿意"},{"start":643.727,"end":672.156,"text":"普發現金因為我們採取多元的管道方式目前來說都算順暢其實這一次普發現金的民調大家普遍都是按讚這個對財政部是一種嘉獎跟激勵謝謝委員我們也希望說今年如果稅收超增的話有這樣的一個經驗立刻再補辦一次再來辦一次普發現金也許不到一萬六千塊也可以部長你說好不好"},{"start":673.781,"end":684.667,"text":"委員今年的整個稅收跟預算數之間的差距我們會等到12月底的數字出來以後大概會有一個明確的一個數字好 謝謝因為證交所董事長來講幾句話好了"},{"start":688.151,"end":709.403,"text":"股市三萬點台灣經濟有亮點那請問一下林董事長你對現在整個台灣的這個股市這樣會不會過熱或者這只是新年的第一個起步而已因為馬年又到了啊馬年到萬馬奔騰有沒有信心這主要我們的"},{"start":717.322,"end":740.152,"text":"這個上市公司的基本面都非常好啦所以我們基本上我們還是還蠻審慎熱觀的現在已經有32個千斤股啦這個正不正常啊這個都是市場的機制的反應這個我想這個跟全世界的脈動我想台灣證券交易所現在跟全世界脈動真的都非常的緊密相關"},{"start":741.557,"end":748.72,"text":"好 謝謝繼續努力啦好 謝謝我看你是福星福將兩萬 三萬點一直破謝謝有沒有機會到四萬點好 謝謝盧委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:08:13.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:08:16.733000+08:00","text":"主席、各位委員、出列席官員，大家早安。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:08:17.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:08:26.341000+08:00","text":"主席，可否請讓股市上2萬點、接著也上3萬點的彭金隆主委？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:08:27.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:08:33.526000+08:00","text":"還有財政部莊部長、國發會高副主委。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-07T11:08:34.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:08:36.268000+08:00","text":"請彭主委、莊部長及高副主委。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-01-07T11:08:36.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:08:36.949000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:08:40.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:08:40.346000+08:00","text":"彭主委，你好。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:08:41.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:08:59.313000+08:00","text":"臺灣就有兩隻龍（隆），一個是楊金龍、一個是彭金隆，雙龍（隆）飛舞股市上萬點，看到2萬點，現在已經到了3萬點了，主委，這個3萬點到底站得住站不住？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-01-07T11:09:00.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:09:11.389000+08:00","text":"我想委員很清楚，金管會不會對未來的股市做這樣的預測，當然我們還是一樣，我們的資本市場遲早都會反映我們的基本面。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:09:14.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:09:21.053000+08:00","text":"你看一下今年的經濟成長率，你對臺灣未來經濟的發展有沒有信心？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-01-07T11:09:21.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:09:27.856000+08:00","text":"其實我一直對臺灣的經濟發展很有信心，但是充滿了挑戰，我們有非常困難的問題要解決。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:09:30.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:09:38.347000+08:00","text":"現在臺股已經破3萬點了，你認為這個是常態還是偶發性的出現？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-01-07T11:09:41.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:10:00.756000+08:00","text":"既然是創新高，當然就是現在看到的狀態，我們對資本市場永遠無法做所謂準確的預期啦，因為它本質上就是反映全球包括國內所有資訊的總和，這個部分，我們對未來只能戒慎恐懼，並且要做好所有因應的措施。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:10:01.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:10:28.517000+08:00","text":"我們看到現在整個大盤，大概80%集中在半導體以及AI的周邊，政府的國發基金也推出了AI十大建設，那不是代表政府全面在做多AI相關周邊以及半導體嗎？","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-01-07T11:10:28.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:10:45.492000+08:00","text":"我想委員也非常清楚，因為臺灣不能夠獨外於全球的整體趨勢跟影響，剛才講這個東西是全球主要經濟體，大概都一樣面臨到這個趨勢的選擇跟市場上的判斷。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:10:45.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:10:49.634000+08:00","text":"所以主委，你還是看好AI囉？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-01-07T11:10:49.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:10:53.036000+08:00","text":"我剛才講，如果我個人來看的話，因為我不是這個專業，我只能……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:10:53.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:10:53.836000+08:00","text":"那專業的是誰？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"彭主任委員金隆","start":"2026-01-07T11:10:53.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:10:57.177000+08:00","text":"AI的專業很多啦，但至少不是我。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:10:57.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:11:01.741000+08:00","text":"會不會是國家發展委員會？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:11:01.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:11:02.422000+08:00","text":"這個算是專業啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:11:02.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:11:19.922000+08:00","text":"我請一下高副主委，你們在整個未來的發展，我看到你們持續還是重押半導體以及AI周邊的相關公司，這是世界的一個趨勢、潮流嗎？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:11:21.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:11:26.653000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，AI絕對是各個國家國力競爭的要素之一……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:11:26.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:11:27.213000+08:00","text":"很重要的是不是？對。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:11:28.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:11:40.138000+08:00","text":"在AI新十大建設裡面，我們除了要確保臺灣核心的AI競爭的技術面以外，其實很重要的一個是創新運用這一塊。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:11:40.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:11:48.463000+08:00","text":"在創新運用這一塊，我們是希望透過創新運用帶動百工百業的產業轉型跟升級，尤其是傳產跟中小企業……","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:11:48.463000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T11:11:49.463000+08:00","text":"那這個包不包括……","quality":0},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:11:48.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:11:49.265000+08:00","text":"所以並不是獨厚所有的AI或者是半導體產業。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:11:49.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:11:49.705000+08:00","text":"好，那這個有沒有包括算力中心？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:12:00.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:12:09.564000+08:00","text":"算力中心是AI的基礎建設，是每個國家一定……就是說算力會變成每個國家的基礎建設。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:12:09.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:12:14.089000+08:00","text":"其實副主委，你也不要怕，因為臺灣就是重押半導體啊！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:12:14.089000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T11:12:15.089000+08:00","text":"應該不是，應該是臺灣……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:12:14.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:12:25.199000+08:00","text":"所以現在臺灣的人均GDP已經超越南韓了，大概明年也要超越日本，喔不，今年馬上要超越日本了……","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:12:25.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:12:25.640000+08:00","text":"其實應該是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:12:25.640000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T11:12:26.640000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:12:25.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:12:30.502000+08:00","text":"原因是沒有其他嘛，這就是時代的潮流跟未來的趨勢。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:12:30.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:12:32.022000+08:00","text":"我覺得與其說我們重押，還不如說我們在AI創新運用的國際競賽的賽道上，我們站到一個很關鍵性、不可或缺的地位。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:12:42.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:12:44.949000+08:00","text":"你不要怕啦，你就是支持它就對了。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:12:44.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:12:52.777000+08:00","text":"因為Jensen黃、黃仁勳也是來自臺灣，臺灣幫助臺灣人，這有什麼害怕的？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:12:53.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:12:54.459000+08:00","text":"對的事情就堅持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:12:55.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:01.207000+08:00","text":"既然往這個方向發展，請問今年的經濟成長率，大概你們預估是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:01.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:10.932000+08:00","text":"今年根據主計處的預估大概是3.54%，ADP有到4%左右，這個成績其實還滿不錯，因為……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:10.932000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:11.932000+08:00","text":"你們太保守了啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:10.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:14.553000+08:00","text":"因為去年我們是7.37%。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:14.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:24.518000+08:00","text":"去年年初的時候，換句話就是前年年底左右，你們的預估只有三點多而已，結果去年出來的成績是7.35，所以……","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:27.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:27.449000+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實大家……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:27.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:28.790000+08:00","text":"你的數據有點低估。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:29.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:35.454000+08:00","text":"另外，再請教一下，國發基金現在有沒有持股台積電？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:35.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:35.615000+08:00","text":"當然有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:36.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:36.855000+08:00","text":"比率多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:37.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:37.616000+08:00","text":"六點多。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:38.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:38.717000+08:00","text":"六點多？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:39.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:39.657000+08:00","text":"對，六趴多。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:41.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:45.021000+08:00","text":"六點多，那就是有三十六兆多囉，是不是？","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:45.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:46.282000+08:00","text":"就是按照它的市值來算的話……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:46.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:49.404000+08:00","text":"三兆多啦，三、四兆的股票市值。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:51.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:54.263000+08:00","text":"面對現在的情況，你們會不會賣？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:54.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:13:57.846000+08:00","text":"因為股價已經很高了，會不會賣股票？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:13:58.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:14:02.689000+08:00","text":"我們很多年都沒有出脫台積電的股票。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:14:03.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:14:16.678000+08:00","text":"很多年是因為那時候500塊開始起漲，你那時候當然不會賣，投信公會理事長張錫從500塊一直喊，喊到一千多塊還在喊，結果證明他是對的。","quality":0.593},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:14:17.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:14:25.443000+08:00","text":"當初我一直逼迫你們，問你們到底要不要賣，還好你們那時候聽了本席的建議，一張都沒賣。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:14:25.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:14:36.328000+08:00","text":"現在本席還是繼續要請問你，因為台積電之於臺灣未來的經濟發展還是相當的重要，所以你們手上的台積電股票會不會賣？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:14:36.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:14:39.510000+08:00","text":"我們國發基金持股不以獲利為目的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:14:39.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:14:40.711000+08:00","text":"所以會不會賣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:14:40.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:14:53.359000+08:00","text":"所以我們會秉持我們需不需要持有臺灣策略性產業的思考範疇，來決定我們會不會有相關的釋股行為。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:14:53.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:14:58.663000+08:00","text":"好，那需不需要繼續掌控這樣一個核心的價值跟技術？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:14:58.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:14:59.764000+08:00","text":"委員，你覺得呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:15:00.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:15:01.545000+08:00","text":"很需要啊！對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:15:01.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:15:03.367000+08:00","text":"很需要，所以你不會賣就對了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:15:04.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:15:07.190000+08:00","text":"我剛才說過，我們處理的原則是這樣。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:15:07.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:15:16.318000+08:00","text":"好，但是要小心，不要讓台積電最後淪落變成是美國的附庸，因為持股最多的還是外資，是不是這樣？","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-07T11:15:18.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:15:27.416000+08:00","text":"目前是，可是不是單一的持股人，大概都是pension fund那些等等的，如果以單一投資人來講，國發基金還是最大的。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:15:27.416000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T11:15:28.416000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:15:27.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:15:29.157000+08:00","text":"因為我們有這樣的基礎，我最要恭喜的就是財政部，莊部長每天笑嘻嘻，天天都開心啦！","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:15:29.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:15:53.024000+08:00","text":"部長，你知道現在日均量大概已經破紀錄了，一天成交8,000億，在場的證券交易所林董事長等一下一起上來一下，「笑咍咍」（哈哈笑）啦！","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:15:54.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:15:56.806000+08:00","text":"你也是福星福將啦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:15:57.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:03.169000+08:00","text":"我看你上去後也都是運籌帷幄，笑裡談兵，隨便都是破紀錄。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:03.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:16.785000+08:00","text":"部長，如果每天日均量都是8,000億，請問一天大概政府的證交稅抽了多少錢？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:16.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:17.546000+08:00","text":"這個可能要算一下。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:18.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:23.148000+08:00","text":"來，旁邊算一下，千分之三嘛，8,000億，3乘以8是24……","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:23.148000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:25.009000+08:00","text":"對，還有當沖，當沖是減半。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:25.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:25.289000+08:00","text":"二十幾億吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:25.289000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:28.108000+08:00","text":"有沒有？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:28.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:29.349000+08:00","text":"還有當沖降稅，還要看當沖。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:29.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:30.409000+08:00","text":"我知道當沖降稅減半嘛。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:31.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:35.070000+08:00","text":"現在當沖的部分，大概市場裡面占了百分之多少的比率？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:35.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:39.011000+08:00","text":"上次我們算大概是40%。40%？40%，對。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:39.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:48.294000+08:00","text":"那扣掉，只要股市一開張，政府就輕輕鬆鬆落袋20億啊！是吧？是。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:50.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:55.316000+08:00","text":"預估今年的證交稅大概預算會有多少？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:56.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:16:58.352000+08:00","text":"你是說115年還是114……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:16:59.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:02.098000+08:00","text":"今年是115年嘛，因為去年已經過了。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:02.098000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:03.098000+08:00","text":"預算數是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:02.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:05.043000+08:00","text":"而且去年我們全部的稅收又超徵了。沒有！沒有！","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:05.043000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:07.612000+08:00","text":"沒有超徵嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:07.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:20.319000+08:00","text":"114年的目前來說，我們要等到12月整個結算以後才知道，目前來說到11月底為止，只有達成預算數的94.6%，我們會等到12月底才會有……","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:20.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:21.920000+08:00","text":"九十幾嘛，可是12月的表現也不錯啊！","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:23.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:25.522000+08:00","text":"12月底當然是證交稅，證交稅會超過預期……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:26.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:34.285000+08:00","text":"部長，你看面對現在的證交稅，今年度你大概編多少？什麼？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:34.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:34.365000+08:00","text":"對不起。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:34.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:36.627000+08:00","text":"證交稅，今年的預算。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:37.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:39.611000+08:00","text":"115年的證交稅，因為還沒有經過大院審議，目前來說……","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:39.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:42.053000+08:00","text":"沒有啊，你現在送來的資料是要多少？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:42.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:47.379000+08:00","text":"我們預算案數的證交稅是2,501億。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:47.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:47.880000+08:00","text":"你又低估啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:49.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:17:54.447000+08:00","text":"如果以日均量8,000億來算的話，那你一年的預估是多少？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:17:56.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:18:15.480000+08:00","text":"基本上我們會用整年的平均數來計算證交稅，當然我們編的時候事實上是在今年的，譬如說114年在編115年的時候，大概在4、5月就開始做籌編，事實上很難去預估115年整體證交稅日均量的平均量會是多少，大概都是以……","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:18:15.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:18:22.365000+08:00","text":"好啦，我們把這個市場的餅做大，我們也歡迎很多海外的資金可以進來投資。是。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:18:24.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:18:26.088000+08:00","text":"最後再問一個問題，普發現金現在的進度怎麼樣，全部都領到了嗎？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:18:26.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:18:27.568000+08:00","text":"關於普發現金，目前領取的人數已經超過2,170萬人了，大概是92.22%的人都已經領取了。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:18:27.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:18:28.829000+08:00","text":"面對這次普發現金的整個作業流程，部長，你滿不滿意？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:18:48.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:18:53.909000+08:00","text":"普發現金因為我們採取多元的管道方式，目前來說都算順暢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:18:53.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:19:03.632000+08:00","text":"其實這一次普發現金的民調，大家普遍都是按讚，對財政部是一種嘉獎跟激勵啦！","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:19:03.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:19:03.772000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:19:03.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:19:16.355000+08:00","text":"我們也希望今年如果稅收超徵的話，有這樣的經驗了，立刻再補辦一次，再來辦一次普發現金，也許不到1萬，6,000塊也可以。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:19:16.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:19:17.136000+08:00","text":"部長，你說好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-01-07T11:19:18.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:19:27.366000+08:00","text":"委員，今年整個稅收跟預算數之間的差距，等到12月底數字出來以後，大概會有一個明確的數字。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:19:27.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:19:28.167000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:19:28.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:19:29.647000+08:00","text":"因為證交所董事長來了，也講幾句話好了。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:19:33.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:19:48.920000+08:00","text":"股市3萬點，臺灣經濟有亮點，請問一下林董事長，對於現在整個臺灣的股市，你會不會覺得過熱，或者這只是新年的第一個起步而已？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:19:49.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:19:54.183000+08:00","text":"因為馬年又到了啊，馬年到，萬馬奔騰，有沒有信心？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林董事長修銘","start":"2026-01-07T11:19:54.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:20:08.024000+08:00","text":"最主要是我們上市公司的基本面都非常好，所以基本上我們還是蠻審慎樂觀的。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:20:09.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:20:13.227000+08:00","text":"現在已經有32個千金股了，這個正不正常？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林董事長修銘","start":"2026-01-07T11:20:14.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:20:25.152000+08:00","text":"這個都是市場機制的反映，我想臺灣證券交易所現在跟全世界的脈動真的都非常緊密相關。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:20:26.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:20:27.778000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，繼續努力……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林董事長修銘","start":"2026-01-07T11:20:28.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:20:28.758000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:20:28.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:20:33.660000+08:00","text":"我看你是福星福將，2萬、3萬點一直破，有沒有機會到4萬點？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員明才","start":"2026-01-07T11:20:33.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:20:33.700000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-07T11:20:33.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-07T11:20:33.720000+08:00","text":"謝謝羅委員。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席（羅委員明才代）","start":"2026-01-07T11:20:34.220000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-07T11:20:36.505714+08:00","text":"接著請李坤城召委。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}