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本席在這邊就提醒你們呼籲你們要求你們必須要依法行政必須要依法行政那麼另外呢還有另外一個議題很快的就問一下因為我們知道其實教育部在之前呢已經有"},{"start":426.024,"end":455.123,"text":"委员这个时间上面就不要书面咨询好吗不好意思一分钟就好了教育部在去年12月底已经调账了公立中小学的兼任及待课教室终点费调到20%但是本席最近有收到一些就是老师们的陈情认为说那为什么对于这个课后的课后照顾班的老师的加班费却没有随着终点费来调这个部分是不是教育部的疏漏"},{"start":456.736,"end":479.578,"text":"还是你们刻意不想调委员这个涉及到课后以及他使用者付费的原则怕会加重家长的负担这个容许由我们跟地方政府再洽谈好不好是因为我想这也是涉及到老师们的权益因为这个从101年到现在已经十几年过去了都没有调那既然就是说现在的所有的终点费都调升了对于课后的这个"},{"start":481.079,"end":503.594,"text":"加班費 其實也應該要隨著來調 這樣的話才能夠讓老師們有意願可以去幫忙課後班 課後的輔導班所以本席這邊提出來 希望教育部能夠儘速檢討好 謝謝翁曉琳委員 那官員請回座 謝謝現在請林倩琪委員發言"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:54:36+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-19T12:54:39.958000+08:00","text":"我們等部長喝口水、喘口氣。","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:54:39.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:54:42.304000+08:00","text":"接下來請鄭部長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-19T12:54:42.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:54:43.005000+08:00","text":"有請鄭部長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-01-19T12:54:48.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:54:49.492000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:54:49.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:54:50.053000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:54:50.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:55:01.581000+08:00","text":"今天你們有一個議題主要就是討論有關於校事會議相關的修正法案，基本上我的想法跟羅智強委員的建議是很一致的。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:55:02.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:55:30.782000+08:00","text":"其實現在我們在學校裡面看到很多組織疊床架屋，我們有教評會、有教師申訴會議、有考核會，又搞一個校事會議，實際上，他們的組織功能基本上差不多、大同小異，可是你在中小學裡面又設置這麼多不同的委員會，已經讓老師們在教學負擔之外，還要承擔行政的工作，然後還要再分心去處理這麼多會議的事情。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:55:31.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:55:34.265000+08:00","text":"所以校事會議到底有沒有存在的必要？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:55:34.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:55:40.349000+08:00","text":"或是它可以回歸原來的教評會議，或是學校裡面的教務會議？","quality":0.56},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:55:41.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:55:47.415000+08:00","text":"甚至學生有學生申訴會，教師有教師申訴會，回到那個地方去處理會不會更好？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-01-19T12:55:49.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:55:51.122000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-01-19T12:55:52.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:56:20.619000+08:00","text":"確實中小學跟大學看起來還是有教育階段上的一些差別，簡單來講，我們當時的教師法，如果我沒記錯的話，民國83年通過以後，我們定義老師是教學專業，所以許多包含老師的聘用、所有解聘、續聘、不續聘，全部都回到中小學的校教評會裡面。是的。","quality":0.626},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-01-19T12:56:22.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:56:38.396000+08:00","text":"但是隨著社會的變遷，我們看到特定的一些社會發展，也發生了一些校園事件，所以108年就另外成立了一個校事會議。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-01-19T12:56:38.396000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-19T12:56:39.396000+08:00","text":"所以我要談的是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:56:38.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:56:39.457000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:56:39.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:56:56.186000+08:00","text":"其實這個歷史我知道，我只是想說你們當時的想法跟實務操作面其實出現了嚴重的落差，後來想到多設立校事會議的組織，並未贏得學校或是老師們的歡迎，而且徒增非常多的困擾。","quality":0.747},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:56:56.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:57:14.253000+08:00","text":"當然這個不是我今天主要質詢的議題，我只是認為教育部真的要好好體諒基層老師們的一些想法，要去體察基層老師的民意，你們現在搞了這麼多的組織，事實上就是疊床架屋。","quality":0.644},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:57:15.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:57:24.117000+08:00","text":"今天本席最主要還是要問有關於我們在去年年底通過的退休金停砍法案。","quality":0.677},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:57:25.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:57:32.401000+08:00","text":"現在教育部對於已經退休的老師們的審定函，你們準備什麼時候重新製作？","quality":0.581},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:57:33.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:57:36.803000+08:00","text":"而且要停扣老師們的退休金，你們現在的想法是什麼？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:57:39.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:58:00.477000+08:00","text":"回到前面PPT裡面可以很清楚知道，在公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例第三十七條跟第三十八條裡面，其實都已經非常清楚的談到，所有的退休金所得替代率要回到112年，所以理論上，現在對於已經退休的，或是已經申請退休的老師們的審定函，你都要重新公布。","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:58:03.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:58:06.390000+08:00","text":"什麼時候要發給新的審定函？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林處長建璋","start":"2026-01-19T12:58:06.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:58:34.784000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為這個法案是12月28號生效的，也因為有作業上的時間，還有系統上必須去做一些調整，所以我們在1月2號的時候已經通函給各主管機關，請他們先按照舊的替代率先去作業12月28號之後退休的人，之後我們利用半年的時間將這個系統調整好，我們會重新再審定。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:58:35.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:58:37.649000+08:00","text":"看起來你們現在的做法會跟銓敘部一樣，是不是？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:58:38.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:58:39.312000+08:00","text":"還是要半年的時間？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林處長建璋","start":"2026-01-19T12:58:40.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:58:44.689000+08:00","text":"是，因為涉及系統重新要規劃的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:58:44.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:59:02.138000+08:00","text":"就這個部分外界其實已經有很多批評的聲音了，覺得現在教育部、銓敘部、行政院整個數位化程度非常差，一個簡單改參數的事情還要弄到半年之久，這是很多退休公教人員無法忍受的事情。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:59:02.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:59:05.040000+08:00","text":"而且你們講半年，半年是指什麼意思？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:59:05.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:59:07.561000+08:00","text":"可以有一個明確的、確定的時間嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:59:07.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:59:11.864000+08:00","text":"是指6月30號之前，所有新的審定函都會核發出去嗎？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"林處長建璋","start":"2026-01-19T12:59:11.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:59:16.707000+08:00","text":"這半年我們會將所有的系統重新調整完畢，然後逐步的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:59:16.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:59:18.948000+08:00","text":"現在大家就是對賴政府沒有信心嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:59:19.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:59:36.801000+08:00","text":"你看，像員警的退休所得替代率提高也沒有編預算，然後軍人加給也沒有發，明明我們法律也都通過了，公教退休金停砍，一個簡單的系統作業也要搞到半年，而且你半年還沒有一個明確的、確定的時間。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:59:36.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:59:50.632000+08:00","text":"看起來，如果依照銓敘部還有行政院的報告，似乎是要等到釋憲、大法官憲法裁判作成之後，你們才有可能會依法行政嗎？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:59:50.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:59:51.773000+08:00","text":"請問鄭部長，您的看法為何？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T12:59:52.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T12:59:55.637000+08:00","text":"我們的法律通過之後，是不是教育部就應該要依法行政了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-01-19T12:59:57.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:00:05.208000+08:00","text":"因為院裡面確實有在提釋憲，所以我們就一個團隊，就一個整體來講，我們也是在依法行政。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-01-19T13:00:05.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:00:06.048000+08:00","text":"那當然，屬於……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:00:06.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:00:07.209000+08:00","text":"你們是依什麼法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:00:07.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:00:09.912000+08:00","text":"你們是依卓榮泰的法，還是依賴清德的法？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:00:11.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:00:11.793000+08:00","text":"喔，他說了算嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-01-19T13:00:11.793000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-19T13:00:12.793000+08:00","text":"沒有，整個國家的體制有一定的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:00:12.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:00:30.770000+08:00","text":"本席在這邊要強調的，這個就是一個基本的法律ABC，你行政機關就是要依法行政，縱使行政機關有提起釋憲，但是在大法官作出憲法裁判之前，你們還是有依法行政執行的義務，這是你們的責任。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:00:32.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:00:38.057000+08:00","text":"今天行政院拒不執行法律，教育部也要跟著做嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林處長建璋","start":"2026-01-19T13:00:39.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:00:49.431000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，如同剛剛我跟委員報告的，這個法12月28日就已經生效了，我們並沒有不依照法律執行。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:00:49.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:00:51.112000+08:00","text":"好，所以就算你沒有作業時間……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林處長建璋","start":"2026-01-19T13:00:51.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:00:53.453000+08:00","text":"但是我們需要行政作業的時程。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:00:54.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:01:05.192000+08:00","text":"好，你們要有行政作業的時程，本席希望你們能夠加速，不要搞半年，而且你們的半年時間也是一個模糊的、不確定的概念，你到底是指6月31日，還是指8月31日？","quality":0.656},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:01:05.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:01:07.333000+08:00","text":"你要從哪個時候開始起算？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:01:07.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:01:25.025000+08:00","text":"如果能夠今天給我一個明確的答復，說6月31日之前所有的退休審定函你們都會親自做，全部核發，送到每個退休老師的手上，那本席當然就考量你們的辛勞，也許還可以接受，但是你的半年就不確定啊。","quality":0.79},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:01:25.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:01:26.967000+08:00","text":"然後依照銓敘部的做法……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林處長建璋","start":"2026-01-19T13:01:26.967000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-19T13:01:27.967000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為這個有行政流程的部分……","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:01:27.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:01:33.114000+08:00","text":"好，本席在這邊就提醒你們，呼籲你們，要求你們，必須要依法行政。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林處長建璋","start":"2026-01-19T13:01:33.114000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-19T13:01:35.897000+08:00","text":"這個我們會來做。","quality":0},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:01:35.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:01:41.163000+08:00","text":"還有另外一個議題，我很快地問一下，我們知道，其實教育部在之前就已經……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-19T13:01:41.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-19T13:01:45.386000+08:00","text":"翁曉玲委員，基於時間因素，提書面質詢好嗎？","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:01:45.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:01:46.687000+08:00","text":"不好意思，1分鐘就好了。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:01:47.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:02:07.420000+08:00","text":"教育部在去年12月底已經調漲了公立中小學的兼任及代課教師鐘點費，調到20%，但是本席最近有收到一些老師的陳情，質疑為什麼課後照顧班老師的加班費卻沒有隨著鐘點費調？","quality":0.589},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:02:09.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:02:11.103000+08:00","text":"這個部分是不是教育部的疏漏？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:02:12.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:02:13.517000+08:00","text":"還是你們刻意不想調？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-01-19T13:02:14.198000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:02:22.626000+08:00","text":"委員，這個涉及課後以及使用者付費的原則，怕會加重家長的負擔，這個容許由我們跟地方政府再洽談，好不好？","quality":0.644},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-01-19T13:02:22.626000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-19T13:02:23.627000+08:00","text":"相關進度會跟您回報。是。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-01-19T13:02:23.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:02:49.187000+08:00","text":"我想這也是涉及老師們的權益，因為從101年到現在已經十幾年過去了，這個部分都沒有調，既然現在所有的鐘點費都調升了，課後的加班費其實也應該要隨著調，這樣的話，才能夠讓老師們有意願去幫忙課後的輔導班，所以本席提出來，希望教育部能夠儘速檢討。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-19T13:02:49.187000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:02:58.173000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝翁曉玲委員，官員請回座，謝謝。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-19T13:02:58.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-19T13:02:59.574000+08:00","text":"現在請林倩綺委員發言。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-19T13:03:00.074000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-19T13:03:03.502571+08:00","text":"林倩綺委員，林倩綺委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-19T13:03:03.802571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-19T13:03:06.088286+08:00","text":"請林沛祥委員質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-19T13:03:06.388286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-19T13:03:09.816857+08:00","text":"林沛祥委員，林沛祥委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-19T13:03:10.116857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-19T13:03:12.402571+08:00","text":"請李坤城委員質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-19T13:03:12.702571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-19T13:03:16.988286+08:00","text":"等一下李坤城委員質詢後，休息5分鐘。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}