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其實這個強迫勞動的議題它是一個國際的議題我們已經在呼籲國內的這些做出口外銷的這些產業要提前因應所以這個已經勞動部還有經濟部這邊我們也共同已經在你提前因應你的輔導你的配套措施是什麼"},{"start":544.45,"end":560.15,"text":"我講台積電台積電在台灣我們的毛利率可能都比美國高美國的毛利率只有8%嘛那在台灣台積電毛利率好像還有三成左右三成三成多左右這個就是差異性啊這對台灣的這些半導體產生有很高的影響"},{"start":562.012,"end":585.682,"text":"所以你的因應策略是什麼你不是嘴巴政府只告訴你要因應你要因應你車子一直往前在開但是我們國內的產業如果沒有做好配套所以政府沒有輔導你短期的可能是用補助或用其他的措施或者你在談判過程當中你必須要談說必須給我們的勞工產業多一點的時間準備你要幫他爭取啊你不是因應馬上"},{"start":587.403,"end":592.568,"text":"國內的各個產業全部毛利率馬上就降低我們會來爭取我知道勞動部也會發布相關的指引然後來協助我們產業能夠來做因應我們經濟部這邊的話我們也開了很多場的一個說明會我們也會讓我們的廠商能夠了解強迫勞動到底有哪些criteria"},{"start":612.827,"end":640.042,"text":"你這個做法他們能不能做得你我心之斷其心之渡民可能需要一些時間還有相關的配套措施做準備我要再一次我最後我要提醒我今天時間這個議題今天的議題很重要很大我要再次提醒在這一次我們未來MOU我們有2500億要到美國投資水巴講講就是說我們不用出任何錢就像父母買房小孩買房子父母做貸款一樣父母做信用保證一樣"},{"start":641.363,"end":666.201,"text":"比照現在國發會的信用的機制國發會的信用機制我們的國發基金還有民間的金融銀行也是要相對拿錢出來投資對不對也要嘛目前國發會的國發會也有嘛所以不要在網路上給我洗說2500億我們政府都不用出錢金融機構都不用出錢當然要國發基金現在的投資"},{"start":671.533,"end":695.995,"text":"以100億的台幣專款來說有60%我們就要提撥然後民間要投資40%那未來如果2500億的話我們至少要有100億的準備金放進去投資投資有賺有賠不是所有過去美國投資的都是AAA的公司我們當然希望都是當然也會有風險"},{"start":697.276,"end":714.072,"text":"但是接下來這些其實就是我們擔憂的那另外一塊所有的金融業我們如果做的這些投資對於國內重大經濟的投資會不會有其他排擠的效果"},{"start":715.333,"end":743.614,"text":"其他的排解的效果會不會有跟委員報告其實這個是不用擔心的金管會還是經濟部可以回應我們經濟部其實在投資招商這個部分從目前來看其實像包括像美光還有NVIDIA這些國際的大廠都已經在投資台灣政府的投資也好民間銀行的投資也好金融機構的投資也好它能投資的金額都有限不管對國內跟國外我們以前都是對鼓勵國內的投資"},{"start":744.955,"end":764.079,"text":"我們現在撥了大筆的經費金額到國外去投資會不會對國內的發展產業的發展會有投資這個排擠的效果會不會有其實是不會的不會我們現在看到台積電還是在台灣繼續加大投資所以這個是很確定的我講的是國內其他產業要貸款喔"},{"start":772.455,"end":780.597,"text":"會不會戴不到不好戴不會的因為中小企業信保基金是另外的這一次的我們對美的投資的專款它是有別於中小企業信保基金的所以不會排擠到我們台灣政府對中小企業的支持"},{"start":792.659,"end":804.521,"text":"我覺得40%的半導體到美國去投資我們看得非常清楚接下來產業的空洞化還有台灣其他的產業如何去做更多的扶植我們是不是有足夠的"},{"start":805.993,"end":832.084,"text":"晶圓留在台灣做其他台灣產業的投資我覺得這方方面面有太多我覺得我們今天在這邊我們都要去做更多的思考跟討論我也期待在這一塊賴總統不是只有開一場記者會我們各部會有更多的責任必須要交代清楚後續包括MOU後續包括沒有交代清楚其他產業的衝擊是什麼你們的短中長期的配套措施是什麼都要交代 謝謝"},{"start":834.13,"end":840.562,"text":"好 謝謝李燕秀委員市長請回接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:26:47+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-26T10:26:49.171000+08:00","text":"感謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:26:49.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:26:56.837000+08:00","text":"我今天的質詢要邀請經貿辦的徐執秘、主計長、經濟部何政次，還有杜常次。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-26T10:26:57.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:27:00.400000+08:00","text":"好，請徐執秘、蔡副主計長、何政次、杜次長。","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:27:03.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:27:05.800000+08:00","text":"謝謝各位，在這段時間大家辛苦了。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:27:06.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:27:13.724000+08:00","text":"但是我想全世界面對川普的MAGA未來怎麼變化，其實全世界國家都很辛苦。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:27:18.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:27:20.548000+08:00","text":"一個是行政協議，一個是MOU。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:27:22.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:27:35.156000+08:00","text":"從大概方向來講，我覺得會衍生幾個問題，當然我們這些談判的結果，會不會受未來美國國內政治更迭的影響？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:27:35.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:27:36.176000+08:00","text":"會不會再有其他變化？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:27:38.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:27:47.743000+08:00","text":"最後這個談判結果，當然某一些產業是鬆了一口氣，但有一些產業目前還沒有公開的，到底有多少的衝擊影響？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:27:48.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:27:54.528000+08:00","text":"譬如說，我們的農業短期是補貼措施，至於中長期的規劃是什麼？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:27:54.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:27:58.591000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，我還沒有看到，包括對於中小企業、傳統產業的影響，我們做什麼樣的準備？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:27:58.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:28:14.902000+08:00","text":"還有我們本國品牌對於美國的相關品牌、同樣的項目，未來的競爭力怎麼樣去做後續的處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:28:16.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:28:51.929000+08:00","text":"面對全國供應鏈的重組，包括我們地緣政治的升溫，我覺得這次談判的結果，不只是臺美經貿關係的深化，其實更深一層，我覺得身為立法委員、在野黨的立委，對於這樣子的談判結果，未來對於臺灣的核心產業，無論是晶片也好、台積電也好，我們整個制度的定位還有整個政策後續的影響，我覺得是我們立法委員要關心的。","quality":0.992},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:28:53.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:29:56.873000+08:00","text":"我要請問蔡副主計長，1月16日談判的結果，包括半導體，還有衍生的相關問題，也包括232關稅後續的影響，當然產業界過去九個月很多人都忐忑不安，但看到這樣的結果，某些產業包括晶片、半導體，有一些人鬆了一口氣，雖然15%還是比過去高，但是至少沒有過去媒體揣測得那麼高，但是我覺得看整個談判結果，不能只看檯面上的東西，畢竟還有一些目前還沒有公布的項目是我們要關心的，所以不僅包括目前沒有公布而未來我們要從美國進口的一些項目，也包括主計總處公布對於國內的產業、民生的影響，後續還是要繼續觀察臺美貿易的協定，是不是這樣子？是、是。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:29:59.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:30:02.574000+08:00","text":"所以有一些還沒有完全公開，對不對？不是……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:30:03.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:30:03.574000+08:00","text":"還沒公布？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:30:03.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:30:04.916000+08:00","text":"細項還沒簽？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蔡副主計長鴻坤","start":"2026-01-26T10:30:05.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:30:07.698000+08:00","text":"在2月13號、過年前最後一個上班日，我們會發布最新的經濟預測，就是GDP的預測還有物價，那個時候就會把關稅的這些充分考慮進去。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:30:22.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:30:22.591000+08:00","text":"包括對關稅、對物價的影響，在2月13號都會公布，好。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:30:22.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:30:28.995000+08:00","text":"副主計長，我也觀察到，包括這次談判當中有非關稅貿易障礙的討論，未來我們也會對美國採購石油跟天然氣，對不對？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:30:28.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:31:01.658000+08:00","text":"我們原來有針對其他國家採購，未來跟美國採購的價格是什麼，我們現在還不知道，但是這些天然氣、石油等等都跟民生議題息息相關，跟物價息息相關，你同意嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:31:01.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:31:33.251000+08:00","text":"好，如果同意的話，那我就要跟副主計長討論，雖然CPI過去這半年多、一年，我們都覺得臺灣CPI控制得還不錯，都在2%左右，但是我每一次質詢都有提到，針對外食族跟租屋族，雖然CPI是控制在2%，但是漲幅最高的，還是在於租屋跟外食，外食，一旦漲了，臺灣所有的一般白領階級、藍領階級，大家的感受恐怕都更深。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:31:33.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:31:58.005000+08:00","text":"我再公布一個數據，過去10月、11月，我們的桶裝瓦斯也都上漲了，11月漲了0.45塊，12月也漲了1.7塊，1月份漲了1塊錢，過去3個月以來，我們的瓦斯每公斤就漲了3.15塊錢，以每桶20公斤計算，一桶就多了60塊錢。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:31:58.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:32:05.527000+08:00","text":"這也就是為什麼現在我去夜市或市場拜票時，他們都跟我講不得不漲，因為瓦斯都漲、成本都漲。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:32:05.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:32:36.222000+08:00","text":"中油雖然有說調漲是因為過去4年凍漲，現在在反映成本，但是我就要請問，如果接下來我們要跟美國採購天然氣，而且是一個未知的價格，未來在民生上類似瓦斯的這些調漲，我們到底還有多少還沒有漲？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:32:36.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:32:36.902000+08:00","text":"這是我擔心的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:32:37.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:32:48.287000+08:00","text":"我要強調，雖然CPI現在控制在2%，但是外食族、租屋族所感受到的是租屋費用跟外食方面，其實是不斷地在調整。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:32:50.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:33:11.092000+08:00","text":"加上我們接下來有5,000億美元要跟美國投資，國際資金的流動會不會造成臺幣貶值，進而推升接下來臺灣的通膨等等，我覺得這都是接下來我們在中長期要因應的，短期可能我們就要因應，中長期你們更要提出決策。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:33:12.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:33:35.339000+08:00","text":"我覺得這次談判的結果，從那天賴總統的記者會當中，我看到的只是報喜不報憂，因為對各個產業的衝擊，還有短中長期你們後續如何因應，短期內可能可以補貼，但是你不可能永遠補貼，那你的政策到底是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:33:35.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:33:36.479000+08:00","text":"包括我們的農業等等。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:33:36.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:33:45.486000+08:00","text":"那我就要再請問農業部，在這一次臺美貿易協定當中，我們會不會去處理美豬、美牛跟基改的問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"杜次長文珍","start":"2026-01-26T10:33:45.486000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-26T10:33:48.733000+08:00","text":"我想其實不管農業怎麼談……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:33:48.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:33:58.422000+08:00","text":"因為我在媒體上已經看到美方提出好幾次，就是對於美豬、美牛跟基改食物希望可以進到臺灣來，到底會還是不會？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"杜次長文珍","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:00.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:02.634000+08:00","text":"美國豬肉、美國雞肉……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:03.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:06.117000+08:00","text":"包括基改食品、要不要標示等等。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"杜次長文珍","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:06.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:13.723000+08:00","text":"現行已經在走的都在走，農業部的立場是絕對保護臺灣農業安全，也絕對不會犧牲臺灣的農業。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:15.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:20.488000+08:00","text":"你這是官方的標準答案，但是到底會不會再進一步處理包括基改的食品問題？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"杜次長文珍","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:20.488000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:21.488000+08:00","text":"我想保護國人健康這件事情是我們國家……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:21.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:21.729000+08:00","text":"會還是不會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:21.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:21.969000+08:00","text":"還是不能講？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:21.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:23.150000+08:00","text":"你說保護國人健康，大家都知道！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:23.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:24.211000+08:00","text":"但是會還是不會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"杜次長文珍","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:24.211000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:25.211000+08:00","text":"一定要保護國人健康、保護臺灣農業。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:25.211000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:26.211000+08:00","text":"你還是不肯講！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:24.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:24.591000+08:00","text":"還是不能講？","quality":1},{"speaker":"杜次長文珍","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:24.591000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:25.591000+08:00","text":"一定要保護臺灣農業。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:24.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:25.132000+08:00","text":"就是不能講就對了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"杜次長文珍","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:25.132000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:40.021500+08:00","text":"一定要保護臺灣農業，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:40.021500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:54.911000+08:00","text":"保護國人的食品健康安全，這個是基本的ABC，每一個人都會講，我站在這邊質詢，我監督的也是保護國人的健康，但是基改食品，這是國人包括很多家長所關注的，會不會進來，你現在還是不能講就對了！","quality":0.181},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:54.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:34:57.133000+08:00","text":"會不會你不敢講，那就等於是不能講。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:34:58.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:35:27.326000+08:00","text":"美方這一次還有提出，就國際媒體前一陣子提到的巨大事件，也認定我們對於移工的強迫勞動等等，包括這一次在國際勞工團體我們也高度被點名，還有一些其他的國外媒體我們也被點名，所以我要請問，經濟部在巨大的案子之後，勞動部有沒有做好相關的因應準備，包括未來我們的產業會不會涉及強迫勞動而遭到貿易的限制等等？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-01-26T10:35:28.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:35:30.626000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實強迫……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"李委員彥秀","start":"2026-01-26T10:35:30.626000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-26T10:35:31.626000+08:00","text":"這一塊在這一次有談到嗎？","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-01-26T10:35:30.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"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