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林昭偉質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:52:43+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-26T10:52:44+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:52:43.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:53:08.168000+08:00","text":"首先報告我跟羅明才委員對調，因為羅明才委員等一下會帶來歡樂氣氛，他說股市上3萬點，所以要請吃雞排、請喝咖啡還有珍奶，因為今年到3萬點，所以他還要送金元寶，裡面是牛軋糖；如果股市到4萬點，他再外加面膜。","quality":0.77},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-26T10:53:14.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:53:17.304000+08:00","text":"謝謝羅明才委員，這是大家今年的福利。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:53:21.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:53:21.587000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:53:23.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:53:36.535000+08:00","text":"麻煩主席請經貿談判辦公室徐執秘、國發會高副主委、財政部莊部長以及農業部次長。","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-01-26T10:53:36.535000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-26T10:53:49.882000+08:00","text":"請徐執秘、高副主委、財政部莊部長以及農業部杜次長。","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:53:49.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:53:50.422000+08:00","text":"大家好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:53:51.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:54:14.979000+08:00","text":"首先非常恭喜也謝謝在1月15號臺美關稅談判達成了協議，臺灣對等關稅調降為15%，這對臺灣的整體經濟而言，的確是一個非常正面的訊息，在這裡也要感謝談判團隊的辛苦與努力。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:54:15.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:54:47.275000+08:00","text":"我要再一次提醒我們的政府，本席來自臺南的西北，這是一個非常鄉下的選區，這個地方其實是以農業為主，現在所有的焦點都放在半導體跟高科技產業，但我們絕對不能忽略一個現實：臺灣不是只有高科技產業，其實支撐就業的還是地方的經濟，還包括大量的中小企業跟農業。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:54:48.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:54:59.282000+08:00","text":"所以關稅調整不再是少數產業有感，對於市場全面的影響跟產業的分布，我想都是非常重要的。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:55:01.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:55:13.529000+08:00","text":"我在這裡請教執行秘書，談判的結果已經出來了，談判的所有底線你都知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-01-26T10:55:16.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:55:34.062000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，除了1月16號簽署的投資MOU之外，之後還有一份臺美對等貿易協定，目前在做文字的核對以及清單項目的核對當中，簽署完成我們就會一起送到國會。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:55:34.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:55:53.834000+08:00","text":"好，顯然對於談判過程當中我們的底線你是非常了解的，在這裡我想請教你，關於所有的投資，到底是5,000億的投資，還是2,500億的投資加上2,500億的信用保證投資？","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:55:54.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:55:57.556000+08:00","text":"到底怎麼樣講才是最清楚的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:55:57.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:56:01.418000+08:00","text":"請你用最簡單的語言來跟大家報告。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"徐執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-01-26T10:56:03.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:56:10.565000+08:00","text":"有關於投資MOU的投資承諾部分，它是兩個性質不同的投資……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:56:10.565000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-01-26T10:56:11.565000+08:00","text":"對，兩個性質不同。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-01-26T10:56:10.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:56:20.167000+08:00","text":"第一個2,500億是企業自主規劃，因為要接近市場、接近客戶的需求，他自主做的2,500億投資。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"徐執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-01-26T10:56:20.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:56:38.654000+08:00","text":"第二個2,500億是政府建立信用保證機制，支持金融機構支援企業在授信上的需求，上限是2,500億美元，所以這是性質不同的資本。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:56:39.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:56:56.666000+08:00","text":"我再請教你，關於政府所提供的信用保證2,500億，其實並不是政府拿2,500億去投資，而是當企業要到國外投資的時候，需要銀行的保證，是不是這樣子的簡單白話文的講法？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"徐執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-01-26T10:56:58.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:56:58.791000+08:00","text":"是的，簡單來說是的。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:56:59.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:57:11.966000+08:00","text":"就是說我是企業，當我拿100億去投資的時候，相對的我也可以從銀行端借到100億的投資，變成是200億的投資，是不是這樣子？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐執行秘書崇欽","start":"2026-01-26T10:57:13.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:57:24.839000+08:00","text":"是，然後在借的100億裡面，有一部分希望能夠用信用保證機制，這樣子銀行才方便借給企業，所以信用保證機制是這樣來的。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:57:24.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:57:24.919000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員惠員","start":"2026-01-26T10:57:25.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:57:47.311000+08:00","text":"接下來我想請教國發會副主委，針對剛才我們在討論的信保機制，未來會在國家融資的保證機構下運作，誠如你們所講的，保證專款如果不足的話，該怎麼辦？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"高副主任委員仙桂","start":"2026-01-26T10:57:49.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-01-26T10:58:27.378000+08:00","text":"基本上，現在預估2,500億金融機構對企業的授信，如果保證倍數是15到20倍，保證成數是50%到60%的話，大概是62.5億到100億之間，我們會分5期，基本上每一期大概是300到400億臺幣左右，屆時會分期由國發基金跟公股及民營銀行共同出資來做這個保證專款。","quality":0.897},{"sp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