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謝謝部長另外再請教院長和那個經濟部長這個其實有很多人非常關心"},{"start":1172.759,"end":1196.544,"text":"院長在去年五月份的時候宣布了我們核電走入歷史因為核三廠完全的都除役了去年五月十七號核三廠二號機然後在今年的二月十號你又公開說全面接受新式核能技術就重新擁抱了核電要重新擁抱核電"},{"start":1197.364,"end":1204.707,"text":"那我想請問一下院長你所謂的新式核能你的規劃是什麼準備什麼時候啟動委員要先了解什麼叫新式的核能現在包括SMR包括核融合都是一個新的技術在討論你準備什麼時候啟動它什麼時候可以商轉全世界許多國家都還在做很多的努力當中很多的國際性的組合包括ITER等等"},{"start":1226.636,"end":1249.769,"text":"做了一個新型的托克馬克的一個發電機組也都在延期當中所以現在聽起來你還是屬於一個這個認數的階段而已這是研發的過程怎麼叫認數另外我請教我另外請教比較實質具體的因為最近台電也好經濟部也好都有特別提到核二廠"},{"start":1250.689,"end":1276.962,"text":"跟河山厂河山现在就说跟原厂在做规划而且说准备把这个计划书在三月份就是再运转计划准备三月底前送河安会所以我想请问河山厂如果你们的评估是安全无虞的话有没有可能在今年底之前"},{"start":1278.543,"end":1294.634,"text":"開始做這個整個的啟動的計畫從時程上看起來是比較困難那大概要到什麼時候呢?支柱安全檢查要一段時間那我們當然是跟這個原廠有西屋公司就盡快那已經簽約了"},{"start":1295.834,"end":1313.668,"text":"那已經開始來檢查這個老化的狀況就是機具你用久了總是會老化需不需要更替更換所以部長我在問你時程的問題在核管法修法之後我們還是謹守原來的三個原則就是核安要沒有疑慮核廢一定要有一個助理"},{"start":1314.188,"end":1341.659,"text":"因為大家社會上有高度的共識所以還沒有時間表的意思時間表就是三月份台電會提出再運轉計畫隨後會提出一個自主安全檢查這個時程過了如果可行有必要做任何的更換器材設備等等都完成了以後那麼才看看社會有沒有高度的共識那麼核二廠我也是有點驚訝核二廠現在你們開始也跟奇異公司在洽談中是嗎是"},{"start":1344.761,"end":1368.692,"text":"所以也是準備開始整個核二廠的一個重啟的計畫嗎是的因為他比較複雜因為他的那個燃料爐裡面還有我們的燃料棒所以那個要清出來以後才可以部長院長請問一下如果核二廠核三廠要重啟研議的話要花多少錢"},{"start":1369.861,"end":1378.811,"text":"那看這個自主安全檢查要更換多少節目要花多少錢 你不能完全沒有概念啊我們從來沒有經驗過 我們沒有辦法在這裡說從來不規劃 從來沒有去評估過還是跟原廠有做一個討論好 那我提供這個金額 這金額呢"},{"start":1387.961,"end":1397.399,"text":"也是當時一些的環保團體跟台電一起共同評估那時候之前的評估你們現在當然不敢講還有一場150億和三場300億"},{"start":1400.909,"end":1420.914,"text":"這是當時就說為什麼核二廠也要讓他研議啊核三廠也要研議啊如果要重新讓他除役啊如果要讓他研議的話我們要花150億我們要花300億結果我們現在開始做從前計畫要不要花錢要不要花到這個規模的錢我們講了多少次除役是法律的規定"},{"start":1427.638,"end":1435.624,"text":"當時包含卓業長也上街頭說我是人我反核好像如果你不反核你就不是人結果"},{"start":1438.806,"end":1458.754,"text":"不就是反核嗎核四公投那時候是反核四公投部長你搞不清楚這是當年很更早的時候不是在核四公投好我要講的就是我們錯誤的能源政策所謂的非核家園政策已經讓我們看到現在整個我們的能源結構如此的脆弱"},{"start":1459.724,"end":1476.991,"text":"我們大部分的發電大幅的倚賴火力發電所以這次中東這樣的地區的危機我想部長這幾天應該你沒有休假我有說過我有你休假你要打屁股你應該怎麼想說我們要怎麼去調度因為我們太倚賴天然氣了"},{"start":1479.392,"end":1493.488,"text":"我們太依賴火力發電我們能源的整個的能源發電結構極為脆弱現在呢我們現在要重新反核這個反呢是反回來加一個走置邊"},{"start":1494.569,"end":1519.702,"text":"所以錯誤的所以三四月沒有問題就是很努力調度也調度的相當有相當的進展這個委員應該肯定所以我肯定他啊我沒有肯定我跟你講嗎部長說這幾天都在我想他都在加班怎麼樣調度不只一個部長所有的部會都在動我要講徐令智之啊今天我們過去大家說破嘴的"},{"start":1520.542,"end":1539.756,"text":"說破嘴說大家一定不能完全的放棄核電何市長是誰封存的啊何市長是誰封存的不是就是你上街頭說我是人我反核嗎所以是誰封存的所以你又再找馬維拉囉民進黨執政十年執政十年再繼續找馬英九當馬維拉你執政十年是空氣嗎"},{"start":1549.583,"end":1568.691,"text":"所以我要講的就是錯誤的能源政策比貪污更可怕今天就是因為非核家園造成台灣現在整個能源的脆弱胡亂的指責比無知更無知"},{"start":1577.079,"end":1598.309,"text":"你們最無知啊對啊 胡亂的指責是誰啊你們最無知啊我可不可以講一分鐘今天如果不是你無知 請問一下你跟西屋簽什麼約啊你跟青宣什麼約 你跟奇藝圈什麼約啊非核家園啊 繼續抱住你的反核神主派啊為什麼不繼續抱住你的反核神主派啊還在那邊強詞奪理這就是民進黨自己的政策是錯誤的 還要強詞奪理"},{"start":1604.952,"end":1610.78,"text":"我回答就是說強者奪利不回答就是黑箱 這就是你們的作風好 我再來請問一下時間暫停一下請一下張中部部長"},{"start":1619.127,"end":1639.553,"text":"麻煩請交通部長備詢這時候我可以講一下嗎現在時間暫停暫停我可以講一下嗎你講你講這一次的戰爭的發生不管你有沒有可能都遭遇到下時間暫停不能占用我的時間好吧不要占用我的時間因為你想的話就不能就不能計時時間繼續好請問一下部長在去年去年"},{"start":1647.332,"end":1663.382,"text":"你上任之後大家一直談到就是我們的觀光觀光局很慘然後我們每一年的來台旅客人總數一直沒有辦法達到我們的目標然後我們的國旅元年也破功了"},{"start":1664.162,"end":1683.377,"text":"整個提振觀光每次都說觀光國家對然後你說要爭取高端客等等之類的但是我們看不到我們觀光人數的增加因為我自己所在的選區有很多的觀光產業所以我想請問我想請問"},{"start":1688.021,"end":1705.274,"text":"你們就沒有到你們的那個什麼目標嘛每一次都是跳票你的目標設定一千萬一度來達成部長我給你一點一分鐘我給你一分鐘時間你講你觀光做得多好說你觀光做得好棒棒你講讓我們所有的觀光用者來聽看看"},{"start":1706.749,"end":1712.577,"text":"好 報告委員你講不出來了喔所以我在這邊要特別的利用我總質詢的時間提醒部長觀光真的要實作不要用什麼就是"},{"start":1724.431,"end":1749.867,"text":"這個通訊啊什麼我們手機啊然後這個東西就說有觀光人數增加不要做這種虛視虛假掩飾太平正視我們現在的觀光問題好不好我為什麼利用我的總諮詢時間拜託我們能夠正視我們現在的觀光產業我們現在很多的我們現在很多的景點數字增加有沒有增加是有依據的"},{"start":1750.947,"end":1775.717,"text":"高雄的五星級飯店都關門啦院長請你們有一點側影之心請你們有一點能夠關心大家整體的住宿率是提高的民宿也增加了接近三分之一的數量相當多所以我們的供給量增加了不少在供給量增加的狀況底下我們的住宿率還是往上提升的委員"},{"start":1776.577,"end":1794.434,"text":"再來您剛說的公安課的部分,國外公安課來台灣每一年增加在疫情之後每一年增加,去年增加幾十萬,前年增加上百萬而且我們現在在歐美的旅客,包含菲律賓的旅客來台灣都增加雙位數以上,都超過疫情之前"},{"start":1795.074,"end":1813.354,"text":"我們東南亞觀光的旅客在駕降中我給你們一個數字喔在去年我們的觀光人數也好 金額也好都是逆差的狀況對不對包國雲 您知道美國跟中國 加拿大 澳洲都是逆差的嗎"},{"start":1814.738,"end":1822.105,"text":"我請問一下 台灣不是希望觀光立國嗎你今天在比論喔 你要比論嗎所以我要講的就是喔如果你們還是不能夠去正視你們的問題你先等一下喔另外 我要跟"},{"start":1833.328,"end":1855.001,"text":"就是院長反映的一點因為當然這個部分很多是司法院的部分但是我覺得這涉及社會觀感當時我也有問過院長就是太子集團的詐騙集團當時有一個就參效交保就是他的特助參效交保你當時說你也很生氣"},{"start":1855.982,"end":1873.958,"text":"好 我現在告訴你太子集團現在九個高級幹部全部交保全部都交保在台灣洗錢107億元其中一個幹部他交保的他的那個理由是什麼他說他要回家照顧他們家的烏龜啊"},{"start":1875.26,"end":1891.821,"text":"如果烏龜沒有他照顧會死掉啊這樣的理由也可以說得出來太子集團根本就是我們打詐不利一個整個詐騙洗錢的一個大家生物痛絕結果全部幹部全部交保"},{"start":1893.081,"end":1916.42,"text":"過去我們在政治的案件裡面 壓了多少人是不是 現在有沒有法國部長自己跑出來了好 再來 我們一直在講說要抓共諜 抓共諜當時有很多的民進黨的黨工或者是曾經在我們像我們的國安會也好或外交部也好"},{"start":1917.04,"end":1923.699,"text":"结果最近包含在国安会和外交部的和人节还有一个秋市"},{"start":1927.94,"end":1952.968,"text":"有没有违反社会观感的问题太子职业的胶帕是把容额持续每几天都把胶帕弄好这个胶帕最后我想每一年考虑考虑还没有判判因为判判不判因为非常厉害所以应该要提出判判太太看了全部胶帕吗"},{"start":1956.074,"end":1966.346,"text":"確實是司法院的問題但是我們要有作為而且你們現在難道你們司法院沒有什麼大法官都幫你們的是不是所以你要幫他們這種重大的"},{"start":1980.674,"end":1980.694,"text":"好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:05.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:07.600000+08:00","text":"我先請卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:07.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:09.121000+08:00","text":"麻煩再請卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:09.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:12.262000+08:00","text":"再請國防部部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:12.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:17.345000+08:00","text":"麻煩請國防部部長備詢。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:17.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:17.765000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:18.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:21.827000+08:00","text":"委員昨天說我貪瀆百萬，我希望你今天能有一個澄清的說法。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:21.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:24.722000+08:00","text":"好，就要看你來澄清。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:25.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:26.743000+08:00","text":"是你要澄清，不是我要澄清。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:27.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:30.466000+08:00","text":"我還沒開始問你，你在反質詢什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:30.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:31.686000+08:00","text":"我請問……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:31.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:35.729000+08:00","text":"你現在是不是知道自己理虧，然後現在就開始來攻擊立法委員？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:35.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:36.770000+08:00","text":"你只要修正昨天的講法……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:37.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:39.752000+08:00","text":"院長，請你有風度一點！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:39.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:43.675000+08:00","text":"你該回答的問題照實回答就好，好不好？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:43.675000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:44.856000+08:00","text":"你昨天在院外說的話，你在這裡要公開澄清！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:44.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:47.197000+08:00","text":"你是不是自己在膽小？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:47.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:49.499000+08:00","text":"你在膽小什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:49.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:50.159000+08:00","text":"你在心虛什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:52.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:52.592000+08:00","text":"你拿得出證據嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:52.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:54.674000+08:00","text":"立刻拿出證據啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:55.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:55.735000+08:00","text":"拿出來你怎麼辦？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:55.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:56.496000+08:00","text":"沒有啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:56.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:58.238000+08:00","text":"就杜攸攸之口啊！","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:58.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:18:59.820000+08:00","text":"拿出來你怎麼辦？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:18:59.820000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:19:00.820000+08:00","text":"我已經講過……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:19:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:19:02.163000+08:00","text":"你昨天說我貪瀆百萬……沒有！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:19:02.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:19:05.767000+08:00","text":"我是說如果你拿不出證據，你就涉及貪瀆，你去看清楚！好……","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:19:05.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:19:06.167000+08:00","text":"你今天要不要修正你的講法？","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:19:07.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:19:08.810000+08:00","text":"你去看清楚，你拿出證據啊！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:19:09.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:19:11.192000+08:00","text":"你趕快拿出證據！謝謝……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:19:11.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:19:13.852000+08:00","text":"我拿得出來你怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:19:13.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:19:16.853000+08:00","text":"你不要跟我囉嗦這些，你立刻拿出來！","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","s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026-03-10T09:21:11.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:15.778000+08:00","text":"你還拿出一個這個牛皮紙袋，可以把它拿出來，請行政院來公布啊！","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:16.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:19.280000+08:00","text":"如果這裡面是真的，委員要不要負責？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:19.280000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:20.280000+08:00","text":"等一下，院長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:19.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:20.821000+08:00","text":"如果這裡面是真的，委員要不要負責？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:20.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:23.823000+08:00","text":"院長，我沒有X光眼，我沒有辦法透視……對啦！","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:23.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:25.604000+08:00","text":"你告訴我，我如果是真的，你怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:25.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:27.925000+08:00","text":"院長，這是你對大家的負責……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:27.925000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:28.925000+08:00","text":"不是，我對委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:27.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:31.007000+08:00","text":"你對社會國人的負責。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:31.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:34.949000+08:00","text":"你坐飛機，你有沒有付錢，為什麼變王鴻薇替你負責？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:36.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:36.289000+08:00","text":"笑死人了！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:36.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:37.750000+08:00","text":"我坐飛機我自己負責，為什麼要給你看單據？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:37.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:45.394000+08:00","text":"你有沒有付錢、你有沒有用特權、你有沒有公器私用，為什麼變王鴻薇替你負責？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:45.394000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:46.394000+08:00","text":"你跟我講你有這個道理嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:45.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:47.856000+08:00","text":"我自己坐飛機為什麼要跟你報告？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:47.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:49.496000+08:00","text":"我是你的長官嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:49.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:51.397000+08:00","text":"我是你的監護人嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:51.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:52.918000+08:00","text":"自己的責任自己負啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:52.918000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:53.918000+08:00","text":"你昨天為什麼說我貪瀆百萬？","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:53.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:53.959000+08:00","text":"自己提不出這些資料……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:54.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:21:54.719000+08:00","text":"你昨天為什麼說我貪瀆百萬？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:21:58.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:04.168000+08:00","text":"我已經講過了，如果你提不出證據，就有涉及貪瀆的事情，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:04.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:05.109000+08:00","text":"如果提得出呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:05.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:08.412000+08:00","text":"那你趕快把證據提出來，不要在那邊囉唆、廢話！","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:08.412000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:09.412000+08:00","text":"如果提得出呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:09.412000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:10.412000+08:00","text":"提得出你怎麼辦？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:08.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:09.333000+08:00","text":"你廢話什麼啦？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:09.333000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:10.333000+08:00","text":"趕快把證據提出來！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:09.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:14.659000+08:00","text":"你一向用在這裡血口噴人的方式太久了、太多次了、對太多人了！","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:14.659000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:15.659000+08:00","text":"好，容我……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:15.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:20.923000+08:00","text":"我要代表行政部門向你提出這樣的抗議，不能再隨便讓你這樣血口噴人！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:21.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:21.964000+08:00","text":"你抗議什麼啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:22.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:22.724000+08:00","text":"你抗議什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:22.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:24.105000+08:00","text":"你不要惱羞成怒啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:24.105000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:25.105000+08:00","text":"時間暫停。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:25.105000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:26.105000+08:00","text":"王委員、卓院長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:25.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:26.006000+08:00","text":"幹嘛惱羞成怒呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:26.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:27.647000+08:00","text":"請問一下部長……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:27.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:28.368000+08:00","text":"院長，我再繼續請教。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:28.368000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:29.368000+08:00","text":"好，時間請繼續。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:28.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:29.769000+08:00","text":"我請教國防部長，因為這件些事情……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:29.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:29.949000+08:00","text":"你不敢問了嘛！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:30.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:31.810000+08:00","text":"這當然還是跟你有關啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:32.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:54.647000+08:00","text":"來，我請教一下部長，這件事情還有一個大家質疑的地方，因為院長一直強調這是私人行程，一直強調這是私人行程，但是他用的是專機，那顯然不是行政專機，對不對？跟……","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:54.647000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:22:58.847000+08:00","text":"我是用……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:22:58.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:23:00.888000+08:00","text":"因為私人行程就不能用行政專機嘛，我理解的對不對？","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:23:01.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:23:03.389000+08:00","text":"我是包機，不是專機。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:23:03.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:23:04.069000+08:00","text":"那我就問嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-10T09:23:05.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:23:08.311000+08:00","text":"就我的了解，這應該是華航的班機。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:23:08.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:23:12.673000+08:00","text":"好，所以這是私人包機，是吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-10T09:23:14.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:23:15.354000+08:00","text":"我想我們的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:23:15.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:23:17.135000+08:00","text":"那就不是行政專機嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-10T09:23:18.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:23:20.917000+08:00","text":"我的了解，這是屬於中華航空的……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:23:21.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:23:46.923000+08:00","text":"好，那我請問一下，因為是從松指部起飛，松指部是軍用機場，今天也有民眾打電話問松指部民眾包機可不可以使用松指部，結果松指部的回復是不要亂問、這個新聞你們都不能相信。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:23:47.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:23:52.528000+08:00","text":"所以就是松指部沒有辦法提供私人的包機。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:23:52.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:23:57.772000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下，為什麼這一次可以使用松指部？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-10T09:23:57.772000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:23:59.654000+08:00","text":"跟委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:23:59.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:24:04.898000+08:00","text":"一般私人的包機可以使用軍用機場嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-10T09:24:04.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:24:08.301000+08:00","text":"按照我們跟民航局相關的協議，可以。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:24:09.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:24:10.515000+08:00","text":"民航局的協議？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-10T09:24:10.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:24:29.766000+08:00","text":"因為松山機場就是一個軍民合用的機場，臺北航空站因為停機位置的規劃，依照民航局使用我們基地協議書的規定，他都可以向松指部來商借停機坪……","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:24:29.766000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:24:30.766000+08:00","text":"好，那我想請問……","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-10T09:24:30.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:24:37.211000+08:00","text":"同樣相對的，我們的軍機，譬如C-130，我們也會商借他們的停機坪去進行……","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:24:38.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:24:43.737000+08:00","text":"是只有松山機場才有這種事情嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:24:43.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:24:48.642000+08:00","text":"就是民航機可以使用我們的軍用機場，只有松山機場可以這樣嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-10T09:24:48.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:24:52.545000+08:00","text":"因為松山機場就是一個軍民合用的機場。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:24:52.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:24:54.307000+08:00","text":"我們請問一下……","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-10T09:24:55.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:25:01.094000+08:00","text":"不過跟委員說明，這個航班的相關管制權責都是屬於臺北航空站。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:25:02.619000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:25:03.880000+08:00","text":"所以是完全由民航局……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:25:04.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:25:08.804000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，軍民合用機場除了松山機場之外，水湳機場也是，在臺中也是軍民合用。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:25:09.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:25:26.034000+08:00","text":"所以松山機場、水湳機場的軍用機場都可以接受民航站的調度，然後一般的私人飛機可以使用軍用機場，是這個意思嗎？","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-10T09:25:26.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:25:31.395000+08:00","text":"對，民航局認為有需要的時候，就可以來要求我們提供相關的這些停機坪的作業……","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:25:31.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:25:34.316000+08:00","text":"那我請問，現在如果說一般包機、私人飛機……","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-03-10T09:25:34.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:25:37.937000+08:00","text":"但是這些起降的作業都還是民航局在負責的。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:25:38.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:25:58.206000+08:00","text":"委員，你已經聽到答案了，但是我要告訴委員，去到日本這一趟事先是多麼的小心謹慎，雖然是私人的行程，還是不想生出其他的節外枝節出來，所以一切都非常的審慎在進行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:00.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:15.626000+08:00","text":"看到今天事後這樣的一個現象，大家在這裡找這樣的問題的時候，更證明我請求使用松指部是對的，因為我只要經過……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:15.626000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:16.626000+08:00","text":"你怕被打下來？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:16.626000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:17.626000+08:00","text":"你怕被打下來嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:17.626000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:18.626000+08:00","text":"真是笑死人了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:18.626000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:19.626000+08:00","text":"這樣為什麼是對的啊？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:16.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:25.200000+08:00","text":"我只要經過松山機場，只要新聞被po出來，我可能連成行都有問題，你不認為嗎？","quality":0.606},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:25.200000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:26.200000+08:00","text":"我今天不是問你什麼新聞不新聞……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:25.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:32.287000+08:00","text":"而且我認為我們那麼早的飛機，我都不想去影響其他正常航班，你應該體諒到……院長！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:32.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:41.856000+08:00","text":"院長，我一再講，你這一趟引起了外界這麼多的質疑，你有責任對外界來解釋外界的質疑，對不對？有，對……對嘛！","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:41.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:43.738000+08:00","text":"只有中國共產黨跟你們在生氣，不是嗎？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:45.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:53.471000+08:00","text":"你看，我就知道，你又想用什麼中國共產黨，請問一下，我們為納稅人把關，我們為社會的質疑來詢問你，有何不對？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:53.471000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:54.471000+08:00","text":"我沒有用到一塊錢公帑……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:53.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:53.831000+08:00","text":"有何不可？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:53.831000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:26:57.425500+08:00","text":"我沒有用到一塊錢公帑！","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:26:57.425500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:01.020000+08:00","text":"什麼叫為納稅人……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:01.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:02.881000+08:00","text":"如果今天我們質疑你有沒有公器私用……","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:02.881000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:03.881000+08:00","text":"你又說公器私用！","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:03.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:06.903000+08:00","text":"你就要把它講成我們是中共的同路人嗎？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:07.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:08.084000+08:00","text":"委員又說公器私用！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:08.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:10.325000+08:00","text":"我問你有沒有公器私用的問題嘛，對不對？沒有！","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:10.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:12.606000+08:00","text":"剛剛已經講清楚了，我飛機的錢、遊覽車的錢、進門票的錢、球場的錢，我都自己付。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:12.606000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:13.606000+08:00","text":"好，這是你的說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:12.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:13.046000+08:00","text":"單據都有。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:19.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:30.024000+08:00","text":"所以我還是希望，如果你覺得你問心無愧，你就把所有的資料公開出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:30.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:31.106000+08:00","text":"另外，其實……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:31.106000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:32.106000+08:00","text":"公開之後，你怎麼辦？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:31.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:36.709000+08:00","text":"院長，我已經跟你講了，我為什麼要為你的行為負責？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:37.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:38.849000+08:00","text":"你不副署，你有沒有問過我啊？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:38.849000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:39.849000+08:00","text":"你要為你的話負責啊！","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:39.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:41.791000+08:00","text":"你不副署的行為，你有問過王鴻薇嗎？","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:41.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:42.611000+08:00","text":"我為你所有的事情負責嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:42.611000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:43.611000+08:00","text":"一個立法委員可以不分青紅皂白……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:42.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:43.551000+08:00","text":"你到底是什麼人啊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:43.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:44.431000+08:00","text":"我為你負責！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:44.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:45.832000+08:00","text":"真的是莫名其妙！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:45.832000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:46.832000+08:00","text":"沒有查證，隨便說一個行政院在這裡貪瀆百萬，這是何等重大的事情！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:46.052000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:47.793000+08:00","text":"什麼重大事情，你趕快解釋啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:47.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:48.153000+08:00","text":"你不要浪費我的時間！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:48.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:48.853000+08:00","text":"不分青紅皂白就隨便說一個官員貪瀆百萬……","quality":0.389},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:48.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:49.033000+08:00","text":"院長，我要請你來……","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:49.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:49.833000+08:00","text":"你過去的歷史就是這個樣子！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:49.833000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:27:56.764000+08:00","text":"院長一直在干擾我喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:27:56.764000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:28:03.695000+08:00","text":"時間暫停。容我……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:28:03.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:28:06.538000+08:00","text":"韓院長，你可以忍受一個人說你貪瀆百萬嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:28:06.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:28:22.595000+08:00","text":"容我跟王委員還有卓院長說明一下，我們整個總質詢都是對於委員所提問的，請院長、閣員就質詢的範圍來答復，大家一定要相互尊重，理性的溝通，政策對話。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:28:22.595000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:28:26.369333+08:00","text":"卓院長，也跟你報告，我被叫韓國輸，我都沒生氣，請你稍微忍耐一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:28:26.369333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:28:30.143667+08:00","text":"韓國輸，大家都很高興啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:28:30.143667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:28:33.918000+08:00","text":"王委員，請繼續。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:28:33.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:28:33.918000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:28:33.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:28:47.706000+08:00","text":"院長，我還是非常希望行政院對於我們的質詢有基本的尊重，其實你剛剛可以看得非常清楚，是我們卓院長自己心虛先攻擊。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:28:47.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:04.236000+08:00","text":"另外，我想請教非常重大的問題，今天各大報的頭版幾乎都是能源問題，就是我們的國際油價飆破100美元之多，我不曉得卓院長……你還笑得出來喔？","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:06.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:07.439000+08:00","text":"卓院長還能笑得出來？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:07.439000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:08.439000+08:00","text":"我在笑你換題目啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:07.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:11.661000+08:00","text":"你要講的能源，你要講的油價，我可以清楚地回答你。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:12.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:12.822000+08:00","text":"降到90塊了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:13.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:15.163000+08:00","text":"好，我現在跟你講嘛。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:16.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:25.768000+08:00","text":"另外，昨天整個國際的股市暴跌，但是今天確實有回升，因為川普講這個戰爭快要打完。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:25.768000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:27.169000+08:00","text":"漲了一千多點。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:27.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:44.282000+08:00","text":"好，所以我想請教一下，我本來就說這兩天其實都非常關鍵，剛才我講說院長的私人行程是你的休假時間，但老實說啦，高市早苗有休假嗎？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:44.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:45.623000+08:00","text":"李在明有休假嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:45.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:49.927000+08:00","text":"沒有，他們都在召開緊急會議，如何回應能源問題啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:51.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:52.110000+08:00","text":"他們不敢休假啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:52.110000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:53.551000+08:00","text":"報告委員，禮拜六的時候……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:53.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:55.234000+08:00","text":"請問一下，來、來、來、來，部長，請問一下，部長請教一下……","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:55.234000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:56.234000+08:00","text":"我還是有跟院長在討論怎麼樣訂定油價的問題。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:55.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:29:59.099000+08:00","text":"因為你昨天說我們現在已經調度了20艘船，我們大概有22艘的LNG的船……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:29:59.099000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:30:09.493000+08:00","text":"對，從中東過來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:30:09.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:30:22.764000+08:00","text":"這個需求現在已經調度到20艘，所以這3、4月的天然氣，目前現在看起來暫時沒有斷氣危機嘛，這是你昨天的說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:30:23.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:30:24.085000+08:00","text":"另外我想請教……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:30:24.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:30:26.066000+08:00","text":"不是只有3、4月，以後也不會啦！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:30:26.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:30:30.210000+08:00","text":"因為那個距離……我們只有30%而已，其他70%是來自其它的部分……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:30:31.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:30:44.362000+08:00","text":"所以你在這邊保證，因為你本來說如果沒有辦法調度成功，可能4月份就要全部採用燃煤來發電，所以你在這邊可以保證……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:30:44.362000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:30:45.362000+08:00","text":"也不是全部啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:30:44.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:03.597000+08:00","text":"我來請教你，你可以保證在這一次中東地區的戰爭，不管什麼時候結束，我們絕對沒有斷氣危機，絕對不會全部採用燃煤發電，你可以保證嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:03.597000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:04.597000+08:00","text":"我有這樣的信心。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:04.597000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:05.597000+08:00","text":"可不可以保證？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:05.597000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:06.597000+08:00","text":"可以保證？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:06.597000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:07.597000+08:00","text":"我有這樣的信心。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:07.597000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:08.597000+08:00","text":"好，你可以保證。","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:03.597000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:04.217000+08:00","text":"我有這樣的信心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:04.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:06.358000+08:00","text":"那如果不行的話怎麼辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:06.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:07.719000+08:00","text":"看你怎麼辦，我就怎麼辦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:07.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:09.681000+08:00","text":"所以你們永遠都是這樣，為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:09.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:09.981000+08:00","text":"如果這樣的話，我去當經濟部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:09.981000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:23.966000+08:00","text":"可以啊，我跟你……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:23.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:38.822000+08:00","text":"該我負責，該我王鴻薇負的責任，我來當經濟部長，我就會跟大家講說，如果我今天講我們不會全部採用燃煤來發電，我做不到我就下台，因為我是經濟部長……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:38.822000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:39.822000+08:00","text":"我如果是國民黨的立委，我一定先審預算，年度預算先審比較重要。","quality":0.037},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:39.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:44.929000+08:00","text":"所以我不是經濟部長，我為什麼要為卓榮泰院長的事情來負責？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:45.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:46.030000+08:00","text":"為什麼為你的事情負責？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:46.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:31:52.017000+08:00","text":"好，另外請教一下就是，我們有沒有可能釋出我們的戰略儲油？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:31:53.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:32:06.366000+08:00","text":"因為現在全世界都在討論這個事情，比如韓國有這樣的考慮，而且他要做一個所謂的油價上限。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:32:07.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:32:21.496000+08:00","text":"我們其實在星期六，也就是院長去看球的當天，我們其實做了一件事情，我是覺得很不錯的，就是讓中油提前宣布下週的油價。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:32:21.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:32:24.938000+08:00","text":"因為那是很特殊的，一般禮拜一的油價是禮拜天才宣布，你們……","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:32:25.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:32:28.780000+08:00","text":"報告委員，那一天就是跟院長有討論，院長雖然在日本，但是還是跟我們在討論事情……","quality":0.353},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:32:28.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:32:29.500000+08:00","text":"對，院長那天在日本。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:32:29.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:32:58.861000+08:00","text":"好，那我想請問一下，因為在這個時候最容易有預期漲價的心理，因為這幾天我們可以看到，尤其星期五、星期六都大排長龍，尤其那種小客車，就是營業小客車，因為對他們來講會是很大的成本，所以請問一下，部長，我們會不會釋出我們的戰略儲油？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:33:00.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:33:12.740000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為我們是平穩汽油價格，所以每個禮拜，我們現在在院長的指示之下，大概禮拜六、禮拜天，我們就會決定下禮拜的油價，而且原則上來講，都會按照上一次的原則……","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:33:13.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:33:18.442000+08:00","text":"好，那再請教，所以你目前沒有計畫釋出戰略儲油，是不是？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:33:18.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:33:29.446000+08:00","text":"因為我們現在油的儲量，法律上規定是要60天，但是我們現在的儲備有一百五十幾天，所以那個空間蠻大的。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:33:30.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:33:31.108000+08:00","text":"好，所以目前沒有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:33:31.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:34:17.596000+08:00","text":"另外請教一下，因為國際油價仍然蠢蠢欲動，在上個禮拜其實有一個問題就是很多的，因為石油價格跟天然氣價格你們可以宣布，但是桶裝瓦斯，桶裝瓦斯是因為地方，就是有很多瓦斯行自己會決定，所以現在有傳出比如南部的瓦斯行有加20塊，一桶瓦斯已經漲價20塊；也有北部的瓦斯行說你叫下一桶的時候，你的價格可能就還要增加到多少錢，就一定漲價，所以對於很多的小吃店、餐飲業，他們就很害怕。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:34:18.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:34:24.343000+08:00","text":"所以我在這邊請教部長，第一個，我們天然氣價格暫時是不是繼續凍漲、是不是繼續凍漲？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:34:26.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:34:28.387000+08:00","text":"天然氣的部分，現在目前其實是還沒有漲。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:34:28.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:34:29.748000+08:00","text":"好，那請問一下，那麼瓦斯，所以中油的瓦斯價格也應該是屬於凍漲的狀況，因為我知道台塑化已經漲價了。","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:34:29.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:34:44.832000+08:00","text":"桶裝瓦斯中油本來就沒有要漲，你剛才講的20塊，那個是台塑，台塑的部分，我們因為也……","quality":0.412},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:34:44.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:34:46.072000+08:00","text":"你們在協調？","quality":1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by？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T09:36:56.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:36:56.848000+08:00","text":"進場要經過國安基金委員會決議。對。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:02.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:37:05.685000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分我們會持續關注，如果有必要的時候才會召開臨時委員會。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:06.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:37:10.769000+08:00","text":"好，部長，所以是不排除，因為這次我們不曉得什麼時候結束。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:10.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:37:13.210000+08:00","text":"我們會持續關注股市的動態。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:13.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:37:16.173000+08:00","text":"不排除國安基金會伺機進場！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:17.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:37:17.774000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:17.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:37:34.601000+08:00","text":"另外再請教院長和經濟部長，其實有很多人非常關心，院長在去年5月份的時候宣布了我們的核電走入歷史，因為核三廠都完全除役了。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:34.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:37:37.962000+08:00","text":"去年5月17號核三廠二號機除役。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:37.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:37:48.544000+08:00","text":"然後在今年的2月10號你又公開說全面接受新式核能技術，就重新擁抱了核電，要重新擁抱核電！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:49.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:37:52.085000+08:00","text":"那我想請問一下，院長，你所謂的新式核能，你的規劃是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:52.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:37:52.205000+08:00","text":"準備什麼時候啟動？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:52.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:37:55.206000+08:00","text":"委員要先了解什麼叫新式的核能，現在包括SMR、包括核融合，都是一個新的技術在討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:55.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:37:55.367000+08:00","text":"對，你準備什麼時候啟動？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:37:55.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:38:23.359000+08:00","text":"它什麼時候可以商轉，全世界許多國家都還在做很多努力當中，很多的國際性組合，包括ITER等等，做了一個新型的托克馬克發電機組，也都在研析當中。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:38:23.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:38:27.381000+08:00","text":"好，所以現在聽起來，你還是屬於一個論述的階段而已。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:38:27.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:38:29.562000+08:00","text":"這是研發的過程，怎麼叫論述？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:38:30.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:38:32.684000+08:00","text":"另外我請教……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:38:32.684000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:38:33.684000+08:00","text":"已經有成形的東西在，我們國內也有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:38:33.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:38:46.931000+08:00","text":"我另外請教比較實質具體的，因為最近台電也好、經濟部也好，都有特別提到核二廠跟核三廠，核三現在跟原廠在做規劃。","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:38:46.931000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:38:48.452000+08:00","text":"已經簽約了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:38:48.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:39:15.286000+08:00","text":"而且準備把計畫書，就是再運轉計畫準備在3月底前送核安會，所以我想請問，如果你們的評估，核三廠是安全無虞的話，有沒有可能在今年底之前開始做整個啟動的計畫？","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:39:15.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:39:18.148000+08:00","text":"從時程上看起來是比較困難。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:39:18.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:39:19.729000+08:00","text":"那大概要到什麼時候呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:39:20.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:39:35.320000+08:00","text":"因為自主安全檢查要一段時間，我們當然是跟原廠西屋公司儘快進行，已經簽約了，也已經開始檢查老化的狀況，因為機具用久了總是會老化，需不需要更替、更換，都要……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:39:35.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:39:38.522000+08:00","text":"所以部長，我在問你時程的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:39:38.522000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:39:39.522000+08:00","text":"我們就儘快。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:39:38.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:39:45.648000+08:00","text":"在核管法修法之後，我們還是謹守原來的三個原則，就是核安要沒有疑慮，核廢一定要有一個處理……","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:39:45.648000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:39:46.988000+08:00","text":"好，所以……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:39:46.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:39:48.389000+08:00","text":"另外，社會上大家有高度的共識。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:39:48.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:39:51.150000+08:00","text":"所以還沒有時間表的意思？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:39:51.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:40:06.476000+08:00","text":"時間表就是3月份，台電會提出再運轉計畫，隨後會提出一個自主安全檢查，這個時程過了，如果可行，有必要做任何的更換器材、設備等等，都完成了以後，那麼才看看社會有沒有高度的共識。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:40:06.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:40:13.639000+08:00","text":"那麼核二廠，我也是有點驚訝，核二廠現在你們開始也跟奇異公司在洽談中，是嗎？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:40:16.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:40:24.064000+08:00","text":"好，所以也是準備開始核二廠的重啟計畫嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:40:24.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:40:33.408000+08:00","text":"是的，因為它比較複雜，因為它的燃料爐裡面還有燃料棒，所以那個要清出來以後才可以。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:40:34.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:40:40.692000+08:00","text":"好，部長、院長，請問一下，如果核二廠、核三廠要重啟延役的話要花多少錢？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:40:41.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:40:44.184000+08:00","text":"那要看自主安全檢查要更換多少。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:40:44.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:40:46.546000+08:00","text":"起碼要花多少錢，你不能完全沒有概念啊！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:40:47.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:40:48.228000+08:00","text":"我們從來沒有經驗過，我沒有辦法在這裡說……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:40:48.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:40:48.368000+08:00","text":"從來不規劃？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:40:48.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:40:48.729000+08:00","text":"從來沒有去評估過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:40:48.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:40:49.309000+08:00","text":"還是跟原廠有做一個討論，需要更換什麼樣的東西。","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:40:49.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:24.752000+08:00","text":"好，那我提供一個金額，這個金額也是當時一些環保團體跟台電一起共同評估後提出的，之前的評估，你們現在當然不敢講，核二廠是150億，核三廠300億，當時說核二廠也要除役、核三廠也要除役，如果要它延役的話，我們要花150億、要花300億。","quality":0.772},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:24.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:28.873000+08:00","text":"結果我們現在開始做重啟的計畫，要不要花錢？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:28.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:30.473000+08:00","text":"要不要花到這個規模的錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:30.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:31.814000+08:00","text":"我們講了多少次……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:32.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:32.894000+08:00","text":"除役是法律的規定欸！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:32.894000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:41.880000+08:00","text":"用40年除役是法律的規定，委員可以不守法律嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇：當時包含卓院長也上街頭說","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:41.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:43.861000+08:00","text":"我是人，我反核。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇：當時包含卓院長也上街頭說","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:44.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:47.444000+08:00","text":"好像如果你不反核，你就不是人。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:47.444000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:50.806000+08:00","text":"那個是核四，核四公投沒有過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:50.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:52.567000+08:00","text":"不就是反核嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:52.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:53.907000+08:00","text":"核四公投，那時候是反核四。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:54.027000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:55.768000+08:00","text":"部長，你搞不清楚，這是當年！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:56.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:41:58.649000+08:00","text":"還更早的時候，不是在核四公投。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:41:59.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:42:45.488000+08:00","text":"好，我要講的就是錯誤的能源政策，所謂的非核家園政策已經讓我們看到我們整個能源建構如此的脆弱，我們的發電大幅的倚賴火力發電，所以這一次中東地區的危機，我想部長這幾天應該沒有休假，我有說過如果你休假，你要打屁股，你應該在想我們要怎麼去調度，因為我們太倚賴天然氣了，我們太倚賴火力發電，我們整個能源發電結構極為脆弱，現在我們要重新返核，這個「返」是返回來，加一個「走」字邊。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:42:46.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:42:55.654000+08:00","text":"部長跟中油很努力的在調度，所以3、4月沒有問題，就是很努力調度，也調度得相當有進展，這個委員應該肯定。","quality":0.698},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:42:55.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:42:58.555000+08:00","text":"所以我肯定他，我沒有肯定……謝謝。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:42:58.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:42:59.576000+08:00","text":"我不是跟你講嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:42:59.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:03.037000+08:00","text":"部長這幾天我想他都在加班，怎麼樣去調度……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:03.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:06.339000+08:00","text":"不止一個部長，所有的部會都在動。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:06.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:08.460000+08:00","text":"好，我要講孰令致之？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:10.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:16.585000+08:00","text":"過去大家說破嘴，說大家一定不能完全的放棄核電……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:17.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:17.886000+08:00","text":"那核四廠是誰封存的啊？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:20.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:24.471000+08:00","text":"當時核四廠封存，不就是你上街頭說「我是人，我反核」嗎？","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:24.471000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:25.392000+08:00","text":"所以是誰封存的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:25.392000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:26.392000+08:00","text":"是哪一個總統封存的？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:25.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:26.713000+08:00","text":"所以你又再找馬維拉囉？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:26.713000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:27.713000+08:00","text":"不是啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:26.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:27.033000+08:00","text":"民進黨執政10年……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:27.033000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:28.033000+08:00","text":"這是事實啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:28.033000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:29.033000+08:00","text":"那核四廠誰封存，這是事實啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:27.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:29.995000+08:00","text":"執政10年，要繼續找馬英九當馬維拉，你執政10年……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:29.995000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:30.995000+08:00","text":"那時候的氣氛就是往非核家園走嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:30.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:31.756000+08:00","text":"你執政10年是空氣嗎？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:31.756000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:41.583000+08:00","text":"你執政10年沒有責任嗎？","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:41.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:47.206000+08:00","text":"所以我要講的就是錯誤的能源政策比貪污更可怕。","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:47.206000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:48.206000+08:00","text":"報告委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:47.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:53.048000+08:00","text":"錯誤的政策比貪污更可怕！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:53.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:43:59.250000+08:00","text":"今天就是因為非核家園造成臺灣現在整個能源脆弱……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:59.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:00.250000+08:00","text":"報告委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:00.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:01.250000+08:00","text":"每天在講韌性啊……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:01.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:02.250000+08:00","text":"胡亂的指責……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:02.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:03.250000+08:00","text":"安全韌性、國防韌性、臺灣韌性，結果能源沒有韌性！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:43:59.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:00.671000+08:00","text":"胡亂的指責比無知更無知啦！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:09.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:09.959000+08:00","text":"你們最無知啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:10.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:11.500000+08:00","text":"對啊，胡亂的指責是誰啊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:11.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:12.441000+08:00","text":"你們最無知啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:12.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:13.361000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我可不可以講一分鐘？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:13.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:17.223000+08:00","text":"今天如果不是你無知，請問一下你跟西屋簽什麼約啊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:17.223000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:18.523000+08:00","text":"報告委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:18.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:19.944000+08:00","text":"你跟西屋簽什麼約？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:19.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:21.205000+08:00","text":"你跟奇異簽什麼約啊？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:21.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:22.385000+08:00","text":"非核家園啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:23.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:24.486000+08:00","text":"繼續抱住你的反核神主牌啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:24.486000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:25.486000+08:00","text":"經過40年除役之後，要重啟不要簽約啊？","quality":0.067},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:25.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:27.988000+08:00","text":"為什麼不繼續抱住你的反核神主牌啊？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:27.988000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:28.988000+08:00","text":"經過40年除役，要重啟不要簽約嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:28.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:28.268000+08:00","text":"還在那邊強詞奪理！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:28.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:28.828000+08:00","text":"這就是民進黨！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:28.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:30.289000+08:00","text":"自己的政策是錯誤的，還要強詞奪理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:36.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:40.617000+08:00","text":"我回答就說強詞奪理，不回答就是黑箱，這就是你們的作風。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:40.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:41.799000+08:00","text":"好，我再來請問一下喔。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:41.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:42.780000+08:00","text":"時間暫停一下，請一下交通部部長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:51.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:51.947000+08:00","text":"時間暫停，麻煩請交通部長備詢。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:51.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:54.828000+08:00","text":"這時候我可以講一下嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:54.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:55.048000+08:00","text":"現在時間暫停。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:55.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:56.729000+08:00","text":"暫停，我可以講一下嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:56.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:44:57.929000+08:00","text":"好，你講，沒問題。你講。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:44:57.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:45:01.470000+08:00","text":"這一次戰爭的發生，不管有沒有核能都遭遇到……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:45:01.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:45:04.491000+08:00","text":"等一下，時間暫停，不能占用我的時間，好嗎？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-03-10T09:45:04.491000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:45:07.492000+08:00","text":"現在是暫停……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:45:07.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:45:10.093000+08:00","text":"不是，不要再占用我的時間，因為你講話就不能……計時啊！","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:45:10.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:45:10.093000+08:00","text":"時間繼續。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:45:10.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:45:35.362000+08:00","text":"好，請問一下部長，去年你上任之後，大家一直談到的就是我們的觀光，觀光其實很慘，每一年來臺的旅客總數一直沒有辦法達到我們的目標，我們的國旅元年也破功了。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:45:36.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:45:48.152000+08:00","text":"整個提振觀光，每次都說觀光國家隊，然後你說要爭取高端客等等之類的，但是我們看不到觀光人數的增加。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:45:49.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:45:54.577000+08:00","text":"以我自己所在的選區，有很多觀光產業……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:45:54.577000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:45:55.577000+08:00","text":"報告委員，連續3年國際觀光客都增加。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:45:54.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:45:55.137000+08:00","text":"所以我想請問……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:45:55.137000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:00.021000+08:00","text":"連續3年都增加10%以上，去年增加九點幾……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:00.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:02.383000+08:00","text":"你們就沒有到你們的那個什麼目標嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:02.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:04.144000+08:00","text":"每一次都是跳票。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:04.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:07.286000+08:00","text":"我們的目標設定1,000萬，我們逐步來達成。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:07.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:15.712000+08:00","text":"等一下，部長，我給你1分鐘時間，你講你觀光做得多好、說你觀光做得好棒棒，你講！","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:15.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:17.254000+08:00","text":"讓我們所有的觀光業者聽看看。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:18.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:19.410000+08:00","text":"好，報告委員……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:19.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:20.651000+08:00","text":"你講不出來囉？所以……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:20.651000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:21.651000+08:00","text":"我講得出來，你要不要聽？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:21.651000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:22.651000+08:00","text":"我在這邊……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:22.651000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:23.651000+08:00","text":"你要不要聽？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:23.651000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:24.651000+08:00","text":"讓部長講啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:20.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:21.973000+08:00","text":"我在這邊要特別地……你……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:21.973000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:22.973000+08:00","text":"委員，你要讓部長講啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:22.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:48.979000+08:00","text":"用我的總質詢的時間提醒部長，觀光真的要實作，不要用什麼通訊、手機，然後用這個東西就說觀光人數有增加，不要做這種虛飾、虛矯、掩飾太平，正視我們現在的觀光問題，好不好？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:49.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:52.121000+08:00","text":"我為什麼利用我的總質詢時間？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:52.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:56.243000+08:00","text":"拜託我們能夠正視我們現在的觀光產業……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:56.243000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:46:58.044000+08:00","text":"發言要有依據。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:46:58.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:00.426000+08:00","text":"我們現在很多的景點……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:00.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:01.847000+08:00","text":"數字增加，有沒有增加是有依據的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:02.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:08.509000+08:00","text":"高雄的五星級飯店都關門了，院長，請你們有一點側隱之心……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:08.509000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:09.509000+08:00","text":"報告委員，您知道整體的住宿率有提高嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:09.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:12.571000+08:00","text":"請你們有一點能夠關心大家。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:13.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:14.732000+08:00","text":"整體的住宿率是提高的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:14.732000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:15.732000+08:00","text":"等一下，另外……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:15.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:18.813000+08:00","text":"民宿也增加了接近三分之一的數量，相當多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:19.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:27.717000+08:00","text":"所以我們的供給量增加了不少，在供給量增加的狀況底下，我們的住宿率還是往上提升，委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:27.717000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:28.717000+08:00","text":"好，我要跟……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:28.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:30.379000+08:00","text":"再來，您剛剛所說的觀光客部分……","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:30.379000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:31.379000+08:00","text":"我要跟部長和院長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:30.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:46.413000+08:00","text":"國外觀光客來臺灣每一年增加，在疫情之後每一年增加，去年增加幾十萬、前年增加上百萬，而且現在歐美的旅客，包含菲律賓的旅客來臺灣都增加雙位數以上、都超過疫情之前。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:47.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:49.937000+08:00","text":"東南亞觀光的旅客在下降中。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:50.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:53.321000+08:00","text":"我給你們一個數字，去年我們的觀光……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:53.321000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:47:54.321000+08:00","text":"您的數字真的跟我不一樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:47:54.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:48:01.870000+08:00","text":"我們的觀光人數也好，金額也好，都是逆差的狀況，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:48:02.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:48:05.354000+08:00","text":"報告委員，您知道美國跟中國、加拿大、澳洲都是逆差的嗎？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:48:06.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:48:09.481000+08:00","text":"我請問一下，臺灣不是希望以觀光立國嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:48:09.481000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:48:10.481000+08:00","text":"我們是希望，但是我們是一個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:48:09.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:48:10.622000+08:00","text":"你今天在比爛喔！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:48:10.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:48:10.722000+08:00","text":"你要比爛嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:48:10.722000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:48:11.722000+08:00","text":"我們是一個外貿型的國家，韓國也是觀光逆差。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:48:10.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:48:12.603000+08:00","text":"所以我要講的就是，如果你們還是不能夠去正視你們的問題……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-03-10T09:48:12.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:48:13.603000+08:00","text":"你一直在期待中國的觀光客，但是中國也是觀光逆差。","quality":0.045},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:48:12.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:48:13.244000+08:00","text":"你先等一下。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:48:13.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:48:47.001000+08:00","text":"另外我要院長反映的一點，當然這個很多是司法院的部分，但是我覺得這涉及社會觀感，當時我也有問過院長，太子集團的詐騙集團，有一個就燦笑交保，就是他的特助燦笑交保，你當時說你也很生氣。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:48:48.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:49:03.676000+08:00","text":"我現在告訴你，太子集團現在9個高級幹部全部都交保，在臺灣洗錢107億元，其中一個幹部交保的理由是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:49:03.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:49:12.527000+08:00","text":"他說他要回家照顧他們家的烏龜，如果烏龜沒有他照顧會死掉，這樣的理由也可以說得出來！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:49:12.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:49:23.801000+08:00","text":"太子集團根本就是我們打詐不力、整個詐騙洗錢的一個……大家深惡痛絕，結果幹部全部交保！","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:49:25.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:49:29.365000+08:00","text":"過去我們在政治的案件裡面押了多少人，是不是？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:49:30.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:49:31.806000+08:00","text":"現在法務部長自己跑出來。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:49:32.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:00.960000+08:00","text":"再來，我們一直在講要抓共諜、抓共諜，當時有很多民進黨的黨工，或者是曾經在我們……像我們的國安會也好，或外交部也好，結果最近包含在國安會和外交部的何仁傑還有邱世元都交保，請問一下，這有沒有違反社會觀感的問題啊？","quality":0.742},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:00.960000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:06.697000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，太子集團人員交保是北檢起訴之後，法院交保的，針對這個交保的部分，我想北檢會考慮，應該會提出準抗告。","quality":0.122},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:06.697000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:12.434000+08:00","text":"還沒有抗告啊？","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:12.434000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:18.171000+08:00","text":"因為剛剛……這個是還在抗告期間，北檢會再研議提出準抗告。","quality":0.042},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:18.171000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:23.908000+08:00","text":"我想這個是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:23.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:24.008000+08:00","text":"對，應該要提出抗告。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:24.008000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:25.008000+08:00","text":"對，這個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:24.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:24.528000+08:00","text":"太難看了啦！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:24.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:24.568000+08:00","text":"全部交保耶！","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:24.568000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:28.074000+08:00","text":"那個是法院交保的，不是檢察官交保的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:28.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:30.236000+08:00","text":"所以我剛剛有講，這確實是司法院的問題。是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:30.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:31.598000+08:00","text":"但是你們要有作為。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:31.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:36.384000+08:00","text":"而且難道你們跟司法院沒有……大法官都幫你們的啊！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:36.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:36.724000+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:36.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:39.914000+08:00","text":"所以也要告訴他們，對於這種重大的詐騙集團，不應該在國人面前……他們所有的幹部全部交保，竟然還說要回家養烏龜，就讓他交保！","quality":0.189},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:39.914000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:43.104000+08:00","text":"太可笑了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:43.104000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:46.294000+08:00","text":"太扯了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:46.294000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:49.484000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:49.484000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:52.674000+08:00","text":"委員這段話我們會想辦法轉給司法院，讓它能夠更有作為一點，符合大家的期待。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:52.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:52.694000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:53.194000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:50:57.194000+08:00","text":"委員自己的部分也應該澄清，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:50:57.494000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:51:04.636857+08:00","text":"謝謝王鴻薇委員質詢，謝謝卓院長和相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:51:04.936857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:51:07.222571+08:00","text":"應該你澄清才對啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:51:07.522571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:51:13.808286+08:00","text":"卓院長，你趕快澄清，把你牛皮紙袋裡的東西拿出來啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-03-10T09:51:14.108286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:51:16.965429+08:00","text":"我們沒有X光眼，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:51:17.265429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:51:18.979714+08:00","text":"我們休息10分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:51:19.279714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:51:30.136857+08:00","text":"謝謝吳沛憶委員、丁學忠委員、王育敏委員、洪毓祥委員，還有邱慧洳委員陪同我們參加總質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:51:30.436857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:51:32.151143+08:00","text":"現在休息10分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:51:32.451143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:51:33.594000+08:00","text":"休息（9時51分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:51:33.894000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:51:35.608286+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時2分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:51:35.908286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:51:38.765429+08:00","text":"報告院會，我們繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-03-10T09:51:39.065429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-03-10T09:51:45.065429+08:00","text":"接下來我們請邱慧洳委員質詢，李坤城委員請準備。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}